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Do Devil Worshipping belong in this scene?
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johan.D
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Posted : Jun 26, 2005 02:28
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On 2005-06-25 23:52, HandA wrote:
I am strictkly talking about the track titles and as I said earlier NOT the music itself.
As I have said before. If someone use a "evil" track title once or twice then I will assume it's for fun etc. But if you as an artists use evil titles with references to Demons, The Devil, satanism in each and every one of your tracks then I can only assume one thing. That you either pratice satanism or are attracted to it.
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OMG this is one of the funniest things i read in a long time
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On 2005-06-25 23:52, HandA wrote:
But if you as an artists use evil titles with references to Demons, The Devil, satanism in each and every one of your tracks then I can only assume one thing. That you either pratice satanism or are attracted to it.
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HaHaHa, nice one man  |
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jun 26, 2005 08:06
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Oh oh is it the devil of censorship knocking on the psy trance doors. Now we have gate keepers that tells if this and that belongs or not... and the limit has been reached. I thought we were mature enough to handle a few titles.
No worries mate, turn on your TV to see the real circus of terror and let me dance to my like. Inferences are a bitch. |
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Kemic-Al
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Posted : Jun 26, 2005 11:49
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ha ha ha but this is very comical I say, hmmm but yes I have just came back from the black MASS and I drank blood along with others, I suppose that what handa is expecting as an answer... is that right Handa !?
So all the producers of horror movies are they also devil/demon worshippers !!!???
People I believe that Pink Floyd are the rooths of all Psychedelics I saw them Live twice and only just last night the Austalian Pink Floyd played in Malta and they gave such a good performance !! but my point is listen to the music and lyrics of Pink Floyd they are so DARK,SORROW and PSYCHEDELIC ! .. where there any peolpe sad at the concert !? NO all I could see is peolpe singing to their lirycs and jumping with JOY !!!!
So I say peolpe get realy grow up and enjoy cause psychedelics has always been about the unexplained and darkness of what goes on with psychedelics !
Enjoy the TriP  Hell I do, ooops I mean heaven I do ... LOL
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Outolintu
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Posted : Jun 26, 2005 12:29
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On 2005-06-25 20:13, midislave wrote:
as i already said in other threads i left this scene a few years ago because i started understanding what is the point of these dark parties. i have been on parties where tortures, all kinds of ugly and warimages where shown on a wide videoscreen, while almost everyone was tripping on lsd or shroomz.
and when i once had a bad trip i saw many ppl's heads change into skulls and other creepy images.
my decision was (and still is) clear: i stepped out of the scene, and nowadays i go to church on sunday instead of going out on saturday. the only thing that still links me to this scene is the music(wich i still love). what i detest is the message of the music, wich according to me is the oposite of what i believe now(i'm born again christian now).
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just have to say that i've never ever been to a party with torture videos or the likes.
maybe it was a hallucination of yours like the skulls of the dancing people? or perhaps it was something a party posse near your neighborhood found psychedelic? that doesn't mean every other party around the world would be of the same kind. this much you should understand!
i think this has more to do with your christian background and perhaps the fact that your parents didn't approve with your nightly activities? your subconscious mind felt guilty at parties and conjured satanic images around you. did you ever go to parties without dropping acid or doing other psycho active drugs? did you see or feel the same things being sober?
i just feel sorry for you that you're still so mixed up between light and darkness (as you see it). i suggest that you would stop listening to psychedelic music totally so you could get a peace of mind. now you're just torturing yourself. best of luck on your way to salvation. i hope it works out for you ...
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Evil Fucker
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Posted : Jun 26, 2005 12:50
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HANDA WROTE
If they aren't into satanism or at least are fasinated and attracted to satanism then how come they over and over again come up with these track titles and dont seem to use any other references in their music?
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F.... LOL I bet that you belive anything you see on the movies then Handa, I bet you think that the story of super man batman spiderman, king kong and all sort od stories are real, you say you have been since 92 in the psy scene ? are you sure not other genere of music ? cause a topic likes this to me sounds as if you have just discovered the music, where is your music man ? who are you? what music do you make? I realy would love to listen PLEASE ! |
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HandA
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Posted : Jun 26, 2005 13:07
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On 2005-06-26 12:50, Evil Fucker wrote:
? are you sure not other genere of music ? cause a topic likes this to me sounds as if you have just discovered the music, where is your music man ? who are you? what music do you make? I realy would love to listen PLEASE !
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you would not understand my music. It's not dark and evil enough for you. |
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Evil Fucker
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Posted : Jun 26, 2005 13:24
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On 2005-06-26 13:07, HandA wrote:
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On 2005-06-26 12:50, Evil Fucker wrote:
? are you sure not other genere of music ? cause a topic likes this to me sounds as if you have just discovered the music, where is your music man ? who are you? what music do you make? I realy would love to listen PLEASE !
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you would not understand my music. It's not dark and evil enough for you.
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I understand ONLY psychedelic music !
Do you make psychedlic music ! where is it ? why are you hiding behind an other name ? speak up show yourself man ! |
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HandA
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Posted : Jun 26, 2005 13:44
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On 2005-06-26 13:24, Evil Fucker wrote:
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On 2005-06-26 13:07, HandA wrote:
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On 2005-06-26 12:50, Evil Fucker wrote:
? are you sure not other genere of music ? cause a topic likes this to me sounds as if you have just discovered the music, where is your music man ? who are you? what music do you make? I realy would love to listen PLEASE !
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you would not understand my music. It's not dark and evil enough for you.
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I understand ONLY psychedelic music !
Do you make psychedlic music ! where is it ? why are you hiding behind an other name ? speak up show yourself man !
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i am not hiding at all.. i make lots of different music. I just dont think i need to justify and prove myself to you  |
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The Journey Man Project
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Posted : Jun 26, 2005 14:11
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HandA, as I said on psynews, I've done a masters thesis on Stanism and Paganism n relation to Nordic Death metal, speaking to some bgi and small names in the scene and religion and it is nothing like what you say... yes they've commited acts of violence, murder and burnt down churces, check out the group "Mayhem"... but iof you haven't noticed, most of society does this stuff everyday... just read a newspaper... most of the time they are avaerage people, musicians who rock out and beleive in a form of religion that is very ancient and interesting, and does not do all the stuff that you hear about, like virgin sacrifices etc. I'd be very surprised if many of the artitst who do that in this scene are true Pagans or Satanists... they just seek attention like Metallica and other more commercial music groups... this whole discussion is a load of trash. If you cannot look at these styles as the fun music they are, then I think you need a little time out and do a bit of research before you judge. |
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Evil Fucker
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Posted : Jun 26, 2005 14:43
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WOW Handa man with this topic you showed me why you hide your name cause if the music sounds like how you showed me with this topic I am realy not interested to listen to it ... |
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Yuli
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Posted : Jun 26, 2005 16:42
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On 2005-06-26 14:43, Evil Fucker wrote:
WOW Handa man with this topic you showed me why you hide your name cause if the music sounds like how you showed me with this topic I am realy not interested to listen to it ...
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Sorry I am interrupting something but I am not sure if HandA wants any Evil Fuckers to listen to his music, unless after they listen, they will be magically transformed into nice folks. Since I was speaking in Kristian's name, which is unfair ( he has a big enough mouth ) I would say that at least I wouldn't like it too much.
Think about it - u come to DJ and see 500 Evil Fuckers against your eyes. Damn this can be hard...
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oldskool
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Posted : Jun 26, 2005 18:49
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what you sow so shalt reap..
you dont know what u have stumbled upon cradling infant thoughts ..dancing to a pappern in your head..safety is the issue of your conscious trip..
you love recurring patterns..
little are you aware that these papperns you hold in your conscious keep breaking and changin and morphing..
your question is umimportant in the wholeness of our situation
bom and dance
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Aldus B
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Posted : Jun 26, 2005 23:23
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No offense, but this is a really stupid topic. I love dark twisted psycho devil music and I don't even believe that the devil exists. What kind of primitive mind would suggest that words about a mythical beast does not belong in psytrance? |
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midislave
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Posted : Jun 27, 2005 01:17
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just have to say that i've never ever been to a party with torture videos or the likes.
maybe it was a hallucination of yours like the skulls of the dancing people? or perhaps it was something a party posse near your neighborhood found psychedelic? that doesn't mean every other party around the world would be of the same kind. this much you should understand!
i think this has more to do with your christian background and perhaps the fact that your parents didn't approve with your nightly activities? your subconscious mind felt guilty at parties and conjured satanic images around you. did you ever go to parties without dropping acid or doing other psycho active drugs? did you see or feel the same things being sober?
i just feel sorry for you that you're still so mixed up between light and darkness (as you see it). i suggest that you would stop listening to psychedelic music totally so you could get a peace of mind. now you're just torturing yourself. best of luck on your way to salvation. i hope it works out for you ...
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the party i mentioned was the first party organised by psychosound, a sound rental/party organiser in belgium, the 'video artists' name is jaffy, and performing there were: xio(nr1 psy dj in belgium, poxy, partytrasher and as main act authentic.
i was there with friends, and they were also shocked, altho they did not make the same conclusions as i did. the trip i had is not a single case, when i talked to other ppl they told me similar stories. and yes i've been on parties just sober too, and it was not much better cause only when you're sober you can really see how drugged the ppl around you are.
what i cannot understand is that this music must be linked to any religion(paganism, sjamanism,...)
i thought partying was about having fun, it never crossed my mind that this whole party thing was about religion , because if i would have known i would never had gone to any. why don't you call a party to what it is then.( for example a paganritual, witchgathering,..)
i still listen to a lot of psy, and i will continue listening to it because i don't have probs with the music itself. all i don't wonna do anymore is serve any other god then the one who saved me, and i'm no longer in a fight between light and darkness since i know i'm saved. also i'm producing my own music, wich is quite dark, but not dark in a religious way, it is just a way to get rid of the bad emotions caused by my stupid job, and all other problems i face(d) in life.
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Yellow Warrior
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Posted : Jun 27, 2005 17:30
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On 2005-06-25 12:27, HandA wrote:
I know there's a debate going on about dark music but i like to make that debate more specific and discuss the "religion" and intension behind the music that come from artist that seem to have something going on with devil/demon worshipping.
I see more and more bands arrive with track titles like:
Hell Raver
Circus of Terror
Sadistic Intence
South of Hell
and so on...
Now I am a believer of that our scene should make room for all kind of people no matter who they and what religion they have but personally I think the limit has been reached here.
No one can deny that our scene was build on total different values and NOT on dark devil worshipping!
I dont know the people personally behind the music and maybe they are not into devil worshipping but I do have my suspicions that they are attracted to the devil and darkness. Why else all this dark evilness in the track titles, samples and music?
Personally I would like to see the music and the people behind it go back to where they came from. The Goth and Dark metal Rock scene where this kind of music and attitude in my opinion fit much much better. But as i said that's my opinion as someone that have been a part of this scene since 1992 and never would have got into the scene if it had been about the Devil, Demons and dark worshipping.
So my layout for this debate is:
Is it just a trend and nothing really serious or are those people behind the music really into satanism and if they are into satanism do they really belong in this scene?
Discuss.
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Hello All,
I have not read the full 5 pages or so, i should have but......Sorry!! I'd like to say something Please about the Satanism thing here. Hopefully i'll make some sense and not a fool of myself. Let me try
Also, this is a personal opinion, this is what i feel alone. So please don't bash me head in if you don't agree with something or anything for that matter. ok? Here goes....
HandA, (Sorry to single you out but i am replying as a consequence of reading your mail alone so, i hope you don't mind!) Why do you say or have this notion that people who listen to 'Dark' music are Devil worshippers? Is it because of the track names? the sounds? the negativity you say? Why do you hate it so much? About the 'Dark' music, i think slightly differently.
Actually, i don't think it is the music that brings the negativity but its our everyday issues, our frustrations which we carry around ourselves day and night which brings this negativity. the anger the sadness etc etc....
Before i continue any further Please allow me to say something....
Just see whats happening around us..People living in Poverty, Hunger, disease, women being raped, children being murdered, kidnapped, parents murdered by their children, fucking around with mother nature..Oh, check this out....today on my way to work i read somewhere in the newspaper, that some fucker in the states brought a dog back to life. Why the fuck did he do that for?!?! Crazy SOaB!!They did some Science crap (am not going to explain this coz am not too good) and got this dog back to life. can you believe that?!?!? Now they want to try this on humans in about a years time. My God! Leave it alone!!! why do you want to bring him back to life. He is probably happy being dead!!!! Don't understand why we must try and BEAT everything.
Anyway, all the things i said above and lots lots more things are the true Evils or what you might call the Devil!
Now HandA, do you think when we listen to this music we actualy worship for all this to happen to OUR kind or for that matter any kind? Animal, and even plant included. I don't think so.
I think the issues above are quite disturbing and very dark issues and the night music is just a way of releasing all this bad energy, the anger, the sadness, the wickedness, the insaneness and so many other like things thats built up inside us like a blocked dirty drain pipe.
On a personal level this devils' music or whatever one may want to call it helps me to reflect or take a closer look at these problems and also take a closer look at myself, it helps me to ask myself what am i doing here to help these people? what can i do or what should i do to be a better human being? Is there anything more that can be done? Whats the reason for his or her pain? can i ease it in some way? etc etc.....theres more but i'll stop.
This 'Devils' music(believe it or not!) helps me to find qualities inside me that should not be a part of me. I say to myself, man, first thing tomorrow i should do this or do that. Greed, Selfishness, Poverty, False Egos, etc etc... These are the Demons i am fighting or rahter try to fight and not worshiping. This is THE Devil and not Sauron or any such character in the Lord of the Rings. The screen is as far as such things will get to you!
The Demons are inside each and every one of us and it is upto us to decide if we want to fight it or just leave it to feed on our Soul!
I might be over reacting kind but i am sorry...I take offence when you say that people like us should go where we belong(something on those lines) and there is no place for us! You say this because of the music we listen to? C'Mon HandA, it is still Psychedelic music, I think it still has a place in Psy trance. It just maybe that you don't relate to the music as i do. For me it has a different meaning!!! I think it is a matter of how you Relate to the music. Its a very personal subject and you obviously find other ways to keep yourself at peace. You are much stronger maybe, i don't know but This is me, this is how i try to deal with my problems, my demons. Please let me be!
Thats the beautiful thing about Psy trance, let it be Full-On, Full-Off, Dark Psy or Devils Music or Prog or whetever.. Even though there are no words each and every person on this planet sees somehting different in the music, interprets the sounds in his or her own way. and for you to tell me to go back to my previous background(something on those lines and obviously you didnn't say that to me but i guess you said that to all the people who listen to night music?!?! Please correct me if i am wrong!) i feel is completely wrong on your part.
I think of parties as Journeys. Now...after all this Balagaan in the night (I love that word...Balagaaaaaan!!!! hehehehe... ) the sun rises. What can i say.....Ufff!!!!!!The most beautiful feeling ever!!! This is when i am at peace with myself. The melodies are making me dance in absolute Joy,and not in anger or frustration as it was a few hours ago. The reason for the happiness is because all the bad energy, the negativity left me about three or four hours ago. Its a new beginning for me.
I feel both are just as important(i.e dance at night and morning) coz to be happy you have to get rid of everything thats preventing you from enjoying those beautiful things around us and inside us. and the night music helps me a great deal to enjoy those finer things later on.
I could write another page now about day music, afternoon music, evening music and then again about Lucifer's Choir but i'll stop. I bet i've put some people to sleep already.
But HandA to finish off all i want to say is that Night music is just another form of Psychedelic music which when played at the right time and at the right place can be very powerful and i think Meaningful. Maybe not to you but for some of us, it is indeed KILLER!!
I know you've been in the scene for like donkey's years, i most certainly don't know as much as you about the music but i just wanted to share my experiences and some of the reasons why i like Night music. OK Maybe not all the night music is the best for you but to someone else's ears it might be the track of the century and i think we should respect that.
Thats it. I hope i made a little sense here. 
Peace out and Have a nice life everyone!
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