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Do Devil Worshipping belong in this scene?
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TRapp
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 00:03
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ALL this thread shows and proves is how childish, immature , ignorant and naive you all are being about this...
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 00:05
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On 2005-06-28 00:03, TRapp wrote:
ALL this thread shows and proves is how childish, immature , ignorant and naive you all are being about this... |
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could you spare the condescension please?
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TRapp
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 00:11
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On 2005-06-27 23:41, TRapp wrote:
so infact it is not Christians who made the Pentagram evil, its ignorant and naive people who belive it is evil due to the Satanists perverting this SCARED PAGAN SYMBOL.
please do some proper research before you post things..thanks
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i'd like to see some documentation backing up your statements first, please.
btw, who are these "satanists" you're talking about? Anton LaVey? 
From what I understand, a reversed Pentagram symbolizes the power of the individual over the cosmos - balancing itself on the single point. The right-side up pentagram is the power of the cosmos over the individual. Two polar opposites, in a way, but in no way are they "satanist" or "christian" or anything of the sort. There is nothing inherently evil in the reversed pentagram - it's lucky that someone noticed the "horns of the devil" in it, and proclaimed the individual-power symbol "satanist."
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from what you understand.....where are you trying to understand this from...I AM NOT BEING SARCASTIC HERE, i would really like to read it....thanks
yes modern day satanists....started by that wanker...those are the Satantists we are discussing, the ones who worship Satan
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TRapp
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 00:12
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On 2005-06-28 00:03, TRapp wrote:
ALL this thread shows and proves is how childish, immature , ignorant and naive you all are being about this... |
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could you spare the condescension please?
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You feeling threatened???
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 00:40
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On 2005-06-28 00:11, TRapp wrote:
from what you understand.....where are you trying to understand this from...I AM NOT BEING SARCASTIC HERE, i would really like to read it....thanks |
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simple search on Google..
Point up, or Point Down?
A "point down" pentacle is nothing new- nor is it necessarily Satanic when it appears as such. Historical depictions of the pentagram were as likely to be points down as point up- a distinction between one or the other was rarely made by the ancients. Even today, one must not assume a point down pentagram is Satanic, as it is just likely to be Masonic, Wiccan, or simply upside-down. Some inexperienced Wiccans will occasionally claim that a point down pentacle is Satanic, but such a symbol has at times represented the Wiccan horned God, and is still today an emblem of the Second Degree initiation in Gardnerian Wicca.
The Satanic Pentagram
To many people, the pentagram is inextricably linked with black magick and Satan worship. The Satanic pentagram is a difficult symbol. It is almost always presented upside down, or inverted, with a single point facing downward.
The adoption of the pentacle as a Satanic emblem is quite recent, dating only to the latter half of the twentieth century. This glyph is a representation of "Black magic," symbolizing the triumph of matter and individual desires over religious dogma- earth over an illusory promise of heaven.
In modern Satanic theology, the pentagram is far more likely to represent the individual, or the choice to pursue individual glory or immortality rather than union or absorption with the divine- where some traditions advocate the sublimation of the ego, Satanism exalts it. The symbol most commonly associated with Satanic practices is the "Sabbatic goat" or Goat of Mendes, often confused with Baphomet, a figure from Templar legend, and Pan, the Greek goat God. It rarely has any deeper meaning; an irony when one considers that its association with Satanism has made the pentagram a feared symbol to many, and the subject of countless conspiracy theories.
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rich
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 00:48
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Is this satanic? 
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TRapp
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 00:53
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On 2005-06-28 00:48, rich wrote:
Is this satanic?
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yes and no...its illuminati..didnt you read the memo.
haha
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TRapp
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 00:57
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from what you understand.....where are you trying to understand this from...I AM NOT BEING SARCASTIC HERE, i would really like to read it....thanks |
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simple search on Google..
Point up, or Point Down?
A "point down" pentacle is nothing new- nor is it necessarily Satanic when it appears as such. Historical depictions of the pentagram were as likely to be points down as point up- a distinction between one or the other was rarely made by the ancients. Even today, one must not assume a point down pentagram is Satanic, as it is just likely to be Masonic, Wiccan, or simply upside-down. Some inexperienced Wiccans will occasionally claim that a point down pentacle is Satanic, but such a symbol has at times represented the Wiccan horned God, and is still today an emblem of the Second Degree initiation in Gardnerian Wicca.
The Satanic Pentagram
To many people, the pentagram is inextricably linked with black magick and Satan worship. The Satanic pentagram is a difficult symbol. It is almost always presented upside down, or inverted, with a single point facing downward.
The adoption of the pentacle as a Satanic emblem is quite recent, dating only to the latter half of the twentieth century. This glyph is a representation of "Black magic," symbolizing the triumph of matter and individual desires over religious dogma- earth over an illusory promise of heaven.
In modern Satanic theology, the pentagram is far more likely to represent the individual, or the choice to pursue individual glory or immortality rather than union or absorption with the divine- where some traditions advocate the sublimation of the ego, Satanism exalts it. The symbol most commonly associated with Satanic practices is the "Sabbatic goat" or Goat of Mendes, often confused with Baphomet, a figure from Templar legend, and Pan, the Greek goat God. It rarely has any deeper meaning; an irony when one considers that its association with Satanism has made the pentagram a feared symbol to many, and the subject of countless conspiracy theories.
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so we are using Google as the answer to everything.....come on...
that artical uses words, like "far more likerly" and shit like that....its nice bedtime reading....but dude i woudlnt go by a Google Search or anything on a website...
Just like the Bible i could also write a story.....heresay or not...get the point
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 01:04
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This comes from http://altreligion.about.com. You are also free to use http://www.wikipedia.org for more information.
If you think all of these articles are bullshit, please provide some proof to that. Otherwise, I will be of the opinion that you are an ignorant, stubborn person who is unwilling to accept that one of his beliefs is based on nothing but hearsay and propaganda.
anyway, this is getting more and more 
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TRapp
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 01:14
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This comes from http://altreligion.about.com. You are also free to use http://www.wikipedia.org for more information.
If you think all of these articles are bullshit, please provide some proof to that. Otherwise, I will be of the opinion that you are an ignorant, stubborn person who is unwilling to accept that one of his beliefs is based on nothing but hearsay and propaganda.
anyway, this is getting more and more
/sign off
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i agree Dimitry....very offtopic....i am off to bed mate....see u opn the flip side,,,...
i was just doing an experiment there...hope u dont mind...lol
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 02:12
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On 2005-06-25 20:21, Psycosmo wrote:
If worshipping the earth is Satanism, then I am proud to call myself a Satanist.
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Worshipping the Earth is not Satanism you ignorant fool....its Paganism....
rather call yourself that.....its ok to alighn yourself with darkness...but not that kind of Dark,,,,..Satanists rape,murder and abuse....thats nothign to be proud of....thats what destroys your spirit...you will loose all your energy and become nothing....
The purposeful infliction of pain and suffering is nothign more than SICK
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Whatever bro Satan is in the eye of the beholder. If you want to limit it to only the most vile of acts then that is your choice. But the fact is that in a majority Christian society a wide range of religious acts are in fact considered Satanic. Namely, anything that isnt Chrisitian is considered Satanic by hardcore Christians like those in control in the US of A. So I think that identifying with devil worship is a valid form of spiritual protest for a USA resident. Because "Devil" really means everything which is not Christianity and Christianity bans everything that I love...
PS you obviously cannot read very well because I said "IF worshipping the earth is satanism....". The word "if" is key to comprehension of my statement. If is a word in english that implies conditionality. That means that My being proud to call myself a Satanist is conditional on the accuracy of the Chrisitan societies definition of Satan as everything thats not obeying the Bible and worshpping Christ as my one and only savior.
I really wonder why even bother with people like you Mr. Trapp
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 02:26
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On 2005-06-25 22:18, Psycosmo wrote:
And 1 more thing:
The trax namez are nothing.
So what if now these things are overtly mentioned in the track names?
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ok track names are nothing....so your name is nothing as welll...
i think you can be called "Shitfuck" from now on....
Dont say they mean nothing, i bet the majority of artists who sat writing and thinking those tracks up would tell you to go fuck yourself if you told him/her that their track name means nothing....
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Your a genius  , you said exactly what I tried to say you just explained it much better.
Ancient Pagan religions like; The Druids from Great Britain and Nordic mythology from
Scandinavia, where indeed misunderstood and they were persecuted by the Christians, but so were the Jews and many other different religious groups, Christianity was understood differently back then; When the first Christian-missionaries arrived in Denmark for example they started to spread false rumors about these nature-religions, they called all their “strange-rituals” for blasphemy.
HOWEVER,
Satanists are a VERY different breed, they are not misunderstood, they worship EVIL, it does not really matter if the devil exists or not (and I’m not a Christian, I don’t believe in the devil in the way Muslims and the Christians do), the fact remains that these people worship and mythologize the devil and evil. D-Evil  .
Nobody is saying that listening to dark-Psy makes YOU a devil-worshipper, but the use of these names is not constructive for our scene (and it will surely attract the WRONG crowd in the end).
"Love is a way of life"
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 02:49
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On 2005-06-28 00:11, TRapp wrote:
from what you understand.....where are you trying to understand this from...I AM NOT BEING SARCASTIC HERE, i would really like to read it....thanks |
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simple search on Google..
Point up, or Point Down?
A "point down" pentacle is nothing new- nor is it necessarily Satanic when it appears as such. Historical depictions of the pentagram were as likely to be points down as point up- a distinction between one or the other was rarely made by the ancients. Even today, one must not assume a point down pentagram is Satanic, as it is just likely to be Masonic, Wiccan, or simply upside-down. Some inexperienced Wiccans will occasionally claim that a point down pentacle is Satanic, but such a symbol has at times represented the Wiccan horned God, and is still today an emblem of the Second Degree initiation in Gardnerian Wicca.
The Satanic Pentagram
To many people, the pentagram is inextricably linked with black magick and Satan worship. The Satanic pentagram is a difficult symbol. It is almost always presented upside down, or inverted, with a single point facing downward.
The adoption of the pentacle as a Satanic emblem is quite recent, dating only to the latter half of the twentieth century. This glyph is a representation of "Black magic," symbolizing the triumph of matter and individual desires over religious dogma- earth over an illusory promise of heaven.
In modern Satanic theology, the pentagram is far more likely to represent the individual, or the choice to pursue individual glory or immortality rather than union or absorption with the divine- where some traditions advocate the sublimation of the ego, Satanism exalts it. The symbol most commonly associated with Satanic practices is the "Sabbatic goat" or Goat of Mendes, often confused with Baphomet, a figure from Templar legend, and Pan, the Greek goat God. It rarely has any deeper meaning; an irony when one considers that its association with Satanism has made the pentagram a feared symbol to many, and the subject of countless conspiracy theories.
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The only thing it says is that this is an ancient symbol which is perceived falsely, like the swastika, which is in fact an ancient Arian-Symbol(The Arians were an ethnic-group from Persia, which migrated to India and founded Hinduism and they also wrote the Veda-scriptures. Hitler ludicrously argued that the Germans where direct descendents from this ancient civilization). Most people in the west perceive the swastika as being a symbol of evil. Although Nazism is only 86 years old (NSDAP (Nazi party) was founded in 1919) and the swastikas history is thousands of years old.
However this does not change the fact that Satanism is BAD, just like Nazism is BAD
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 03:08
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Actually the three of them God , Devil and the other ones can lick my . . . |
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 06:13
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Yo I cant believe that so many people believe those stories about the bad things Satanic cults do. The Satanic Ritual Abuse phenomena was a media panic, very little evidence to support that Satanic Ritual Abuse has ever been a problem in the US. Check out this helpful link: http://www.religioustolerance.org/sra.htm. A lot of it is based on so-called "repressed memories" uncovered by hyponisis, when it is well known that repressed memories are typically fantasies or mis-memories and not realities.
More goodies can be found at the same website at: http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanism.htm.
I have read up on this stuff before and any serious examination will show that Satanism means different things to different people, and also that Satanism does not even necessarily the same as things that are usually equated with it (Lucifer, Devil etc) For example the Devil can sometimes be more of a playful trickster figure than the ultimate molevolant force, and Lucifer also has different connotations i think but Im no expert on the matter so Ill stop here.
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