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exotic
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Posted : Oct 20, 2010 17:08
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Nobody seems to be mentioning the style that makes people grow hair in their underarms and gives them length and girth down there? the best example of this style would be the nommos , sadly not too many people are producing this kind of darkpsy because there are more pussies in the trance scene than real men. bahahaa
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 20, 2010 18:24
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On 2010-10-20 17:08, exotic wrote:
Nobody seems to be mentioning the style that makes people grow hair in their underarms and gives them length and girth down there? the best example of this style would be the nommos , sadly not too many people are producing this kind of darkpsy because there are more pussies in the trance scene than real men. bahahaa
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On 2010-10-20 09:30, filter wrote:
There would be more sub categories but they have really not been developed completely, I would even propose a more tribal category where I would include projects like Enichkin, The Nommos, Xikiwri Neyra, I would include a more atmospheric category which projects such as Sator Arepo, and a more insane category where i would fit projects like Sectio Aurea.
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Oct 20, 2010 19:08
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On 2010-10-20 09:30, filter wrote:
so ok here it goes in my humble opinion
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Excellent article, Filter!
I’d like to ask you to not stop here but try and get it into the Wikipedia entry about darkspy. It would be a great service to anybody who is just discovering this sub-genre family.
It’s interesting that you didn’t mention a couple of pretty prominent artists – CPC and Penta – the latter being a good example of a hybrid style, I guess.
It’s great that you talked about hybrid sub-genres of darkpsy itself, but I wonder what you think of music that is on the outer boundary of darkspy. For example, the style that combines elements of full on and darkpsy and yet is really neither of those. I keep calling it “the Tsabeat – Twizack – Mox style”, although I am not sure they are actually the ones who pioneered it. You can often hear a nod towards full on in Ocelot’s darkpsy-which-we-are-not-supposed-to-call-dark too, but in a very different way somehow. And what about music that sits on the border of darkpsy and Suomi (EvsY may be an example of that, I think)?
Also, I would like to add that there are artists that write very experimental psy music, in essence creating their own genres. They may protest if you call their music “darkpsy”, but you can definitely hear some darkpsy features there. Axis Mundi and cinderVOMIT of Asheville are good examples, imho.
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On 2010-04-07 16:45, Maine Coon wrote:
Where would you put "Mechanical Dragon" ? Is it a sub-genre of dark? Is it even trance to begin with? A lot of it sounded like Goth/industrial rock to me. 
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Gothic ? Why .. Because of daniel (Gothica) Cd release in there ? , I dont think this label is gothic but can agree about the industrial , I think that the basis of this label is more kind of TechTrance
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I tend to think of Goth and Industrial as a family of genres. Basically, they are melodic/sensitive and tech/ballsy side of the same dark coin. At the time they started in the 80’s there was a significant overlap there (Ministry being a good example). Industrial took off and propelled itself to the commercial radio charts (thanks to NIN and White Zomby), whereas Goth either quietly died or transformed into Emo. Same deal as full on vs. Goa. 
I agree with you: what “Mechanical Dragon” is into would be tech trance. I just didn’t know what tech trance was at the time I asked that question. Ironic, since my very first exposure to psy trance was “Mechanical Forest” 
Since then, I’ve heard Opsy and Principles of Flight (and you, of course). And I saw the word "techtrance" associated with this music. Now I know.
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minus
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Posted : Oct 21, 2010 10:48
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nicely put filter, there is also sound like that of samadhi,zik and alien mental is same hybrid , they also know it, its good for evolution, i dont know why u dont like russian sound, i think russian sound emphaises mostly on the percussive elements and multilayerings,its progression in that field,but whatever it was nice reading
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Cardinals Cartel
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Posted : Oct 21, 2010 12:13
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On 2010-10-21 10:48, minus wrote:
i dont know why u dont like russian sound
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What is russian sound .. ? Seems all russian producers got the same sound .. Man its not good thinking that way .. every one got his own specific tunes and sound , Cant make an total inclusion about this , If you want to look and listen music with an professional way you should see each track or artists defferent way and case . And its true , Necessary , right and correct with everything on our little planet .
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dirtyphreak
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Posted : Oct 21, 2010 21:34
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On 2010-02-11 11:36, Fometrius wrote:
Some different styles:
We have the SA(south africa) style which sounds like Shift,Abomination,Phyx,Menog,Zion Linguist,Outer signal etc.
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bro that is not dark psy at all that is pure full on
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On 2010-02-11 11:36, Fometrius wrote:
We got some very psychedelic and often more harder stuff like:Derango
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and derango is forest
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On 2010-02-11 11:36, Fometrius wrote:
stuff like Kindzadza
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kindzadza is high tech
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On 2010-02-11 11:36, Fometrius wrote:
Ocelots ,Bodhi13:20,Naked tourist,Electrypnose
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and that is hard psychedelic trance
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 21, 2010 23:01
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you forget about dark prog & dark techno & dark dnb & dark rnb & dark breakbeats & dark pop!
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MR VOMERS
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Posted : Oct 21, 2010 23:03
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fun is my favorite type...ANYTHING i perceive as fun. done
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filter
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Posted : Nov 6, 2010 02:19
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aaah yes i have definitely forgotten about penta as he sort of 'drifted' away from the style lately
but yes penta definitly belongs to a more groovy dancefloor movement that was the best answer to whoever had any doubts that deep intense psychedelic music could be danceable.
for me penta started a trend of his own which influenced in very subtle ways many of the producers that were around at that time. he was one of the first to have a more clean sound but in a way keeping a certain experimental edge. his 2 first albums are really fundanmental for the scene, specially the USA scene was affected a lot by it.
the only true heir for the penta sound is for me frantic noise, althought he has never released any tracks in auraquake, he is part of the label and he has studied nikita's music very thoroughly.
i will do the wikipedia thing one day, promise
also i will write a book about all of this one day too
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filter
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Posted : Nov 6, 2010 02:25
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about tsabeat/wizack twizack i wouldnt really group them in the dark psy family, i think its more full on basically...
same thing with suomi, suomi tends to be very loyal with their roots, they may follow certain 'sub-styles' but suomi is 100% suomi...
cpc and parasense is very difficult to define, they are basically the oldschool of russian trance .cpc leaned towards a more hi tech hard sound and parasense was always more organic and trippy. in a way they influenced the generation after them very much, kindzadza and psykovsky in the begginning sounded very much like foresty/organic experimental music. but slowly they turned into the true masters of hi tech music. the only followers of this sound i would include is enichkin, which in a way for me reminds of the good old parasense.
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Nov 6, 2010 03:15
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cpc and parasense is very difficult to define, they are basically the oldschool of russian trance.
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They are what I'd usually call "proper" darkpsy, as they are direct heirs to Zolod's music, IMHO. My apologies to German fans: I do consider Zolod as the founder of darkpsy and Russia as its geographic origin. |
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Posted : Nov 6, 2010 19:18
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xenomorph came much before parasense or zolod, for proper darktrance.and if u know that old sound, then you know which r artists were doing it, way before parasense, parasense is second generation of darkpsy, not the first,that may include sprit zone releases for example |
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rich
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Posted : Nov 7, 2010 12:32
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Xenomorph may be the earliest dark psy artists, but that music was more about the Goa sound. (to me anyway)
I have to mention Suomi dark psy tracks because there is such thing. Sometimes the artist may not be any one thing, but does several different styles and does them all very well and mostly, very psychedelic. Good stuff.
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Nov 9, 2010 21:39
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On 2010-11-06 19:18, minus wrote:
xenomorph came much before parasense or zolod, for proper darktrance.
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Yes, but is the modern darkpsy sound derived from Parasense's sound or from Xenomorph's?
Minoans had an advanced culture before mainland Greeks did. Yet it's Greek mythology and Greek philosophers we read, not Cretan. Same difference, I guess.
Something just occurred to me about Penta:
Penta : Darkpsy :: Terrafractyl : Full On
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willsanquil
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Posted : Nov 9, 2010 21:52
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MC you are dissapointing me with your senseless genrefication of artists
To me, Penta and Terrafractyl are great examples of artists that blend various styles and sounds together into something that cannot be properly described with terms like 'dark' or 'full-on' - certainly there ARE artists that make formulaic music that can be easily encapsulated with those and other labels...
However, what good does it do? Why is it important to track down the 'first' of a genre? Imho this striving to label so obsessively does everyone a disservice by encouraging rules and boundaries in music whose only rule is that there aren't or shouldn't be any rules!
IMO Penta is Penta trance, and Terrafractyl is Terrafractyl trance. (btw, have you checked out Terrafractyl's side projects Hypnagog [free EP out in 2009, a non-free one released a week? or so ago] and Mental Extensions??? I'm sure you'd dig it) If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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