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Posted : Nov 9, 2010 22:23
This is only a test, please standby :
Xenomorph formed the horror sound around 1998, yes horror is considered darkpsy but separate, not the same if ya wanna get political.. Parasense formed in 1996 and had some tracks out in 98 as well, not as popular since they weren't being as mainstream as the rest of the dark sounds back then. Thats why me likes neurotrance and quantum trance, less politics in bullshit stereotype details. Music isn't dark, the perception of the listener is, brainwashed poop. Xenomorph's sound changed with the release of Qlippoth, which proves he was following the new, yet old sound set by Parasense, fungus phucked later and so on..
If you wanna track the roots of dark, try the first release ever made in the Goa genre format, it was called deep then, when dark was just night time hours.
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Posted : Nov 9, 2010 22:56
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On 2010-11-09 21:52, willsanquil wrote:
To me, Penta and Terrafractyl are great examples of artists that blend various styles and sounds together into something that cannot be properly described with terms like 'dark' or 'full-on'
That’s what I meant. Penta is a melodic innovator within the darkpsy framework and Terrafractyl is a melodic innovator within the full on framework. Whether their music transcended the parent genres and became separate styles altogether – this is where they came from.
BTW, this is yet another example of labels and how they mess with our understanding of things. It seems that “Terrafractyl” means “innovation” to you and “full on” means “cookie cutter crap” – so, it’s hard to even imagine that Terrafractyl’s music is actually an imaginative brand of full on. But it’s very easy to reconcile, once you allow yourself to say the words “good full on”.
Terrafractyl is a bit OT here, it just occurred to me that what he’s done to full on is exactly what Penta has done to darkpsy, that’s all. And yes, I got that free Hypnagog EP. Good stuff.
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Posted : Nov 10, 2010 00:35
It's pretty funny, for the longest time before I got into discussions about categories of trance I considered braincell and the other glowing flame artists to be my own definition of what 'full-on' was..only when i came to this site and started seeing people referring to the israeli full on (I just considered it bad trance ) as full on did I start disliking that term as it is usually a negative term...at least on this board
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Posted : Nov 10, 2010 01:26
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Yes, I decided not to buy into this stereotype at all - whether it's about full on in general or about Israeli full on in particular. This way I can click freely on "Listen" or "Download" buttons and discover plenty of good stuff that I would miss otherwise. For example, Tsabeat is Israeli and some may argue that his music is full on (although, it seems more like darkpsy to me). He's hardly "bad trance". The same people that post blanket statements like "Israeli full on is crap" would never write the same thing about Elad’s music. Something doesn't quite add up here. And I never bought into that idiotic line about "an exception that only proves the rule".
Anyway, the same logic can be applied to darkpsy. Whatever stereotype you apply to it, there will always be examples to the contrary. I used to say that I liked Russian darkpsy - because this term to me meant Zolod and CPC. But obviously, that’s not how most Russian darkpsy sounds today, right? I like Furious, for example, but some of his music makes me physically sick, nothing I can do about it. Should I say Furious is crap? Russian darkpsy is crap? All darkpsy is crap? What silliness! It’s just some strange allergic reaction I have to that sound. It’s simply stupid to make any “art critique” statements based on idiosyncrasies like this. Yet so many people do…
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Posted : Nov 10, 2010 22:02
for me although xenomoprh was amongst the first, i think he didnt really affected the darkpsy scene so much, i think he just went into his own world. you can also see this as he didnt do any collaborations whatsoever, at least not any released ones, perhaps ghreg on earth worked with him...
he basically never really 'infected' more people, he went into his own gothic world and basically just stayed there. although by definition he is really 'dark' i wouldnt place him in the darkpsy category. i even cant figure out if its trance anymore...
i think parasense and cpc are more crucial to the development. particulary they inspired a whole generation of russian artists that came after them, like Kindzadza and Psykovsky. although after they changed the style, they share the root.
if you go way back to the oldschool times for sure you can mention many names like hux flux, paps, digital talk. but for me the real turning point was voices of madness from psycho micro/azax syndrom from parvati records. in 2003 i started to listen the very first tracks that i would really call 'darkpsy'.
many of the most influential artists i have talked with remember this cd very much and also consider it a turning point, specially because it had this 'metal' approach.
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Posted : Nov 10, 2010 23:36
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On 2010-11-10 22:02, filter wrote:
for me the real turning point was voices of madness from psycho micro/azax syndrom from parvati records. in 2003 i started to listen the very first tracks that i would really call 'darkpsy'.
many of the most influential artists i have talked with remember this cd very much and also consider it a turning point, specially because it had this 'metal' approach.
My Fav of that album was Electric Powder by
AZAX SYNDROM. Great album
The music made by Azax was Fuckin A at that time....it had this cutting edge sound to it.
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Posted : Nov 11, 2010 05:22
voices of madness was a nice release indeed, established parvati solidly, and created a niche for the dark sound no doubt, paps , tripiatrik well surely, droidlock, yumade,ect and mass,weirdo beardo,even delta,x dream are a few who influenced the whole night aspect of sound,, russian artists focus mainly on percussive arrangements, and their synthesis is 80% perc work, i think, where as scando sounds r derived more towards, organic atmospheric layerings and a hypnotic bass, containing a a rather colourfull bouncy bass,that way all different styles have developed their own unique sound, focusing on specific elements in their collective sound,hybrids r the ones combining the different aspects together, for example atriohm i think took, russian percussion work and lead, took scando forest atmosphere, and combined with parvati kindo bass, essentially, before exploring it much more deeply,but its all good for evolution, i think its very creative of them to do so, to mix and merge the best of all styles to form a unique sound,but i guess the music will slow down back to 140's and then the sound will open up again.
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Posted : Nov 11, 2010 07:26
I dont consider myself part of any linear forest groove template. While its true that we have been avid followers of the dominant Danish sound at the time ,But lately since i dont listen tranz music anymore i think i have now cultivated my own format of this so called parvati sound. While everything else is entirely true of the music , Filter failed to initially mention that Azax syndrom and Psychotic Micro were the epoch of night music for that time , they have played a prominant role in shaping the so called Darkpsy and parvati sound . Equally Parasense have a big part playing in the initial concept. Another interesting thing to note that Tech trance music such as old Midimilliz, Spirallianz,Xdream, Tetraktys , authentik would be branched under dark psytrance but only they took a much slower but true esoteric industrial and futuristic approach to the concept that some will not accept them as a part of this style . One can argue that Ghreg on Earth has been influenced by them a fair bit. As for kindzadza and Alien Mental , it appears they have bridged a hybrid model based on IDM and Psytrance , the reason why they call them Hi-tech i think... But its a stupid thing to classify them as such because it goes on to say that all other form of trance music is Low -Tech???
All in all apart from Tech trance i think the rest of us all come branced under Full On music ..Thats just my take on it!
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Posted : Nov 11, 2010 22:05
completely agree gidra, those spiral trax releases and those industrial tech trance also derived from same source of dark, no doubt
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Posted : Nov 11, 2010 23:04
Question for those of you who were around when it came out...
was this track played during night, morning, sunrise, sunset? Was it played at goa parties at all?
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Posted : Nov 11, 2010 23:46
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Shiranui,
What's your strange preoccupation with this track?
It's not the first time you posted it totally out of the blue.
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Posted : Nov 12, 2010 17:30
Lately has there been any Psychotic Micro releases.
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Posted : Nov 13, 2010 04:04
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Shiranui,
What's your strange preoccupation with this track?
It's not the first time you posted it totally out of the blue.
I like it?
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Posted : Nov 15, 2010 14:57
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On 2010-11-11 23:04, Shiranui wrote:
Question for those of you who were around when it came out...
was this track played during night, morning, sunrise, sunset? Was it played at goa parties at all?
It's been played at every possible hour of the day...
...Wanted to say that Xenomorph initially had a huge impact on me, and i might never had started producing if i wasn't introduced to this... "Brighton Trash Department - Devil's Dyke" ...I know i mentioned it, before but i have a strange preoccupation with this track...
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Posted : Nov 15, 2010 19:40
...just came to another conclusion...
If you don't think in genrés and generally dislike the concept of putting stuff into boxes, what are you here for?
This site is truely a box of music, put here by some people, based on their genre understanding. The box is called IsraTrance wether that name is misleading or not...
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) as full on did I start disliking that term as it is usually a negative term...at least on this board
