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Spindrift
Spindrift

Started Topics :  33
Posts :  1560
Posted : Aug 31, 2004 10:20
Quote:

On 2004-08-31 07:03, Sektor666 wrote:
Spindrift you too agressive smoke some shit mate



I smoke plenty enough, but it don't help much when an ignorant retrovert calls me lame....I still get pissed off.

And clown, you seem to be a bit more reflective now, but still I didn't get why it was "total lamness" to use a laptop. But well ... let's leave it at your conclusion ... do what you want.
psypox
Psypox / Bufo

Started Topics :  53
Posts :  768
Posted : Aug 31, 2004 17:02
Quote:

On 2004-08-30 05:27, EYB wrote:
Yes a pc with a web cam that analysises the crowd and decides wich track is best payed next

cool





Hahahaahha!


LOL @ This Thread! cheers!           www.myspace.com/psypox
clown
IsraTrance Full Member

Started Topics :  97
Posts :  1777
Posted : Aug 31, 2004 18:03
Hey Spindrift, Im really sorry for "attacking" you like that and calling your technics lame.. i agree that it might come off as me having an inflated ego about myself. But i assure you that it was not my intent to point fingers, just to share my views.. Things got a little out of hand, tempers arose, and things were said that can be regretted.

Sorry also to all that rely on the BPM counter to do what they love to do, and to those that use traktor as well..

For the lameness part, well, i think people should work hard to get far, start from the bottom and make there way up. Still today, after over 2 years of practicing, i still feel im not perfect and have alot to learn. Using traktor, everyone starts as a pro. thats the difference i guess i don't agree with, since anyone can become the best in under 5 hours of practice.. It might offend me in that sence seeing in all the time i've invested to be able to hold mixes for over two minutes, while traktor can hold mixes for entire tracks with a simple press of a button. thats kinda how i see it as lame..

sorry also for the slight off topic, but i felt the need to fix things before people start sending mail bombs to others

Happy trancing everyone. enjoy the music..

          "VA - REWIRED" OUT NOW !! (techtrance invasion) ---> http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/86303/forum/9
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www.jesterrecords.ca
DETOX
Moderator

Started Topics :  290
Posts :  6194
Posted : Aug 31, 2004 18:29
Why do i have the feeling that Clown is complaining for not being a worldwide famous dj with all the 'ultimate djing skills' that he has while other dj's with 'lame bpm counter skills' are much more famous than him?

Sorry but this is the conclusion i reached after reading all the posts in this thread.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Drat Mafia


Started Topics :  5
Posts :  107
Posted : Aug 31, 2004 19:06
someone has a sour taste in his mouth
Spindrift
Spindrift

Started Topics :  33
Posts :  1560
Posted : Aug 31, 2004 23:29
Clown,
No worries I haven't launched that mailbombing software...not yet ...no...jk

Sorry for getting upset.
Maybe it was not so diplomatic to blame everyone that plays of a laptop to be lame, but I maybe made it a bit to heated and personal.

I respect your last statement, and understand your frustration.
And it is kindof true what you say that anyone can do the same stuff as an experienced CD DJ after a few hours with traktor. But I guess you have yet to hear what a skilled person that been practicing traktor for years can do.
And you obviously haven't heard how many 'big' or 'experienced' trance DJ's that would badly need traktor technology.
They are where they are because of their fine track selection and their connections to produers or lables, not because of their mixing skills.

DJ'ing didn't really interest me until recently, basically because i always was more tempted by the control you can have in the studio.
As I see it, we are progressing to a new level of technology, where the limits between DJ and producer/artist is getting blurred.
The reason for that is that with software like traktor and abelton live you can actually start to create the music properly live. Of course preparing some part's beforehand, but having full control over arrangements in real time.
It wont be easy to do, even compared to mixing without bpm counter.
I still don't know of any act's really doing that atm, anyone does?

Anyway, I hope that helps you understand where i'm coming from.

peace
BOM
clown
IsraTrance Full Member

Started Topics :  97
Posts :  1777
Posted : Sep 1, 2004 00:10
Detox: yours last reply is half right.. it bugs me to see many inexperience dj's get soo far, mixing after headliners with no skillz whatso ever.. and i agree that for people that get that big, and can't mix, should maybe turn to traktor to help the crowed dance and not get "turned off" by trainwrecks or crossfaded transitions...

as for me not being a world wide dj, well, ill just keep doing what i do, and i'll end up where ever i land... either way, im doing what i feel is right...

however, my next project is world domination           "VA - REWIRED" OUT NOW !! (techtrance invasion) ---> http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/86303/forum/9
http://psy.techno.fm <------- Jester Records's Internet Radio channel
www.jesterrecords.ca
Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  48
Posts :  2027
Posted : Sep 1, 2004 01:25
ok ok we all got every ones point!
now...can some one please turn on the music...im starting to feel "wooozyyy" and id like to see a dj behind the bpm counters.....
cheers y'all.

          "....or is it???"

www.zenonrecords.com
www.myspace.com/thenomolos
DETOX
Moderator

Started Topics :  290
Posts :  6194
Posted : Sep 1, 2004 02:27
Clown i also sometimes say to myself 'Hey why this guy is better than me in this section' so i dont blame you for being arrogant or anything like that,i can perfectly understand your way of thinking cause sometimes i think like that too.

Anyway just follow your way of djing and see where it will lead you and leave the others to do their own thing.Blaming others for using the BPM Counters and comparing BPM Counters with Mp3's is just funny excuses and will not help you to make your position clear in this forum.

Just do it your way mate and good luck.

          Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
duodenumz
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :  15
Posts :  116
Posted : Sep 1, 2004 23:23
"Conclusion... do what you like i guess, because there are no rules.. but in what other scene do people use bpm counters or computers to mix?? Tiesto doesn't.. Oakenfold doesnt.. Adam Beyer doesn't.. lets ask them what they think about this kind of "evolution"..

LOL. the first two are mainstream trance DJs who generally have low mixing standards, from the sets i have heard. they use CDs, and have loose mixes regularly. BUT they play a style coveted by the mainstream, and Oakenfold has crossed over into film scores. tell me you don't believe that huge DJs become huge because they're the best technical DJs!!

Beyer is a great TECHNO DJ, and his skills aren't relevant here. he spins multiple decks of techno, which is far more loop-based than psytrance. Chris Liebing uses Final Scratch. DAVE the Drummer also uses FS, and he's now started using Ableton. DJ Hell uses Traktor.

there comes a point where beatmatching becomes boring, and you want more as a DJ. i played acid techno/trance for 5+ years on vinyl, and your basic 1200 is pretty limiting unless you explore turntablism (which doesn't work very well in some styles).

so the problem becomes: as a vinyl DJ, how do you play modern psytrance? cut all your CDs to acetates? LOL. nope, you have to choose between CDs, Final Scratch, and a laptop. if you've learned how to use CDs, and you spend time learning a laptop rig, then the choice is easy. for the price of ONE new Technics CD deck, you can buy my laptop. then you just need to buy a soundcard and Traktor, and you have a rig and GIANT music collection that can travel with you to gigs. FS doesn't really apply, since most trance parties don't even have vinyl decks any longer.

trust me, learning how to beatmatch is only the beginning. after a few more years of practice, i bet you'll yearn for something more. switching to Traktor was like starting over in many ways, with all my vinyl experience as a foundation.

and FYI, i don't use any automation in Traktor. newbies think that Traktor will just match tunes for you and mix them. it doesn't work that way. you have to set up "beatgrids" if you want to really ride mixes, and even then, the tracks are often a bit mismatched. the sync button is similar in that it gets tracks close, but not locked. if you don't know how to beatmatch well, it won't go well without programming everything ahead of time. THAT is lame, unless the creativity of your canned sets is really impressive.

Clown- is that "fullon" demo your latest one? i listened to it, and it's definitely competent. you can beatmatch solidly. i just don't hear anything that sets you apart from any other competent full-on DJ. software mixing allows you to get really creative and distance youself from the Seguebot 3000 group of DJs.
clown
IsraTrance Full Member

Started Topics :  97
Posts :  1777
Posted : Sep 3, 2004 00:42
duodenumz : thanks for the comment on my full-on mix, and its really not my latest mix... it was released when the debut album of Overlap had just came out.. about 8 months or so ago... cant really remember.. maybe over a year.. lol.. and your right.. that mix was mainly focused on long beatmatch's.. there are no cuts, echo's, delay's or anything that really stands out.. besides the on-cue beatmatches that last for minutes and minutes

I will be putting on-line my latest mix in under 1 week from now.. i strongly encourage you to and otheres to listen.. its much more complete.. and tigher than the last one...

About tiesto and oakenfold, well, i should have thought out more my selection.. i just used the first one's that came to mind.. i should have said Dj Christoff or Dj Dimitry..

I see your point on turtablism, and your right that with psytrance, you can't focus on such things because psypeople take more than just speed.. on an acid wave with a dj that skratches.. ocuh.. it must be painful to the neurons.. lol..

keep it real.. !!           "VA - REWIRED" OUT NOW !! (techtrance invasion) ---> http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/86303/forum/9
http://psy.techno.fm <------- Jester Records's Internet Radio channel
www.jesterrecords.ca
Janux
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  766
Posted : Sep 3, 2004 09:57

blah blah blah

BPM - Blah per minute.

for your own safety...
learn without bpm counters,
then do whatever you want...

          www.facebook.com/DjJanux
blueOrb
IsraTrance Full Member

Started Topics :  100
Posts :  1698
Posted : Sep 3, 2004 15:50
Quote:

On 2004-09-03 09:57, Janux wrote:

blah blah blah

BPM - Blah per minute.

for your own safety...
learn without bpm counters,
then do whatever you want...






seriously guys this is the only solution to this.......anyone who wants to be a good dj should learn beat matching first but after that is his\her choice to move on to some thin more automatic.....and clown why are u so sour......i loved ur psybreaks set dont remember the name......according to my djing attempts i feel mixing breaks is the most mindfucking thing and u on the other hand have really got that right.......u can mix very very well man.....and seriously dude try gettin ur hands on traktor too (just for a trial) and u shall see ur mixes goin to the next level and u can see what traktor can actually do if u get it totally right.....chill mate try giving technology a break.......peace

psyk           New mixes on
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tom anteater
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  1637
Posted : Sep 3, 2004 18:54
Quote:

On 2004-09-01 23:23, duodenumz wrote:
.... allows you to get really creative and distance youself from the Seguebot 3000 group of DJs.



hahaha that's brilliant           >>love will tear us apart...<<
EYB
Noized

Started Topics :  111
Posts :  2849
Posted : Sep 3, 2004 19:01
I am going to build a machine that u turn on and then it plays psymusic till u turn it of

It will be a 10x10x10 cm big cube, called pandorras
psytrancebox.
The music will come directly from a dark place called 'the internet'.

I am still working on the details, ill inform u if i get more than the basic concept

Take care of it !!            Signature
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