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clown
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Posted : Aug 28, 2004 03:06
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well, then, we should all start playing golf with remote controled balls, just in case you hit the ball a little to the left..
but who's playing golf here anyways??
I give up.. you people win.. i should start using the BPM counter because it takes me over 4 minutes to find the tempo of my tracks, so i can spend more time mixing, instend of using my ears to adjust pitch's.. 
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Drat Mafia
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Posted : Aug 28, 2004 04:05
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do what u must, stop ANAL-y-sing, it's boring |
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EYB
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Posted : Aug 28, 2004 08:04
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On 2004-08-28 03:06, clown wrote:
well, then, we should all start playing golf with remote controled balls, just in case you hit the ball a little to the left..
but who's playing golf here anyways??
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Whats the connection between controlled golf balls and bpm counters??
U could compare good golf equipment with good dj equipment including a bpm counter and
worse golf equipment with worth dj equipment without bpm counter.
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I give up.. you people win.. i should start using the BPM counter because it takes me over 4 minutes to find the tempo of my tracks, so i can spend more time mixing, instend of using my ears to adjust pitch's..
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Yes thats better i think, better do a good mix then complaining about the features of the modern world. Go with the time, don't stuck with old stuff. Thats life, we all have to evolve. Don't close ur eyes.
Peace
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Sektor666
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Posted : Aug 28, 2004 11:11
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What can i say Vinny , i think you agree with us but just argue coz nothing to do ...
see BPM counter is thing that you can use or not ///
human ears>ear hair>send signal to brain
this is not for checking speed of tracks and i'm quite sure that noone can count BPM in 100% ...
you think it's to play golf with remote control , i think it's drive the car with one hand one the wheel when one hand is not enough by medical research ..
ask you native doctor if human ears supposed to check speed and listen to music on high volume ??
you want to be freak go play experimental music on vinyl ..... |
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hip
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Posted : Aug 29, 2004 23:56
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well, then the next step of the "evolution" is, I guess, using computers for beatmatcing, so you wouldn't have to do anything?
just come to the party, set up a playlist, and let the computer do all the work? |
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EYB
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Posted : Aug 30, 2004 05:27
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Yes a pc with a web cam that analysises the crowd and decides wich track is best payed next 
cool
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Aug 30, 2004 11:20
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Spindrift
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Posted : Aug 30, 2004 13:21
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On 2004-08-29 23:56, hip wrote:
well, then the next step of the "evolution" is, I guess, using computers for beatmatcing, so you wouldn't have to do anything?
just come to the party, set up a playlist, and let the computer do all the work?
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As always when talking about technical advancements and art, there is ppl who seems to think it becomes to easy to do, and somehow destroy the creative aspect.
I beleive it's only good if the tools become better, and belive me, you work a lot harder DJ'ing traktor than most people do with CD's.
You can really get busy working with the mix as only a masterfull vinyl DJ could do otherwise. Bad for the elitistic, since it don't take much practice to get the technical skills, but good for the dancers... don't everone agree??
The one's who go for just letting the computer play a predefined playlist wont get many gig's.
There is many DJ's now who is bad at mixing, and they would be able to make more decent mixing using traktor. The great mixers would be able to do even better.
Better sound quality and much better view and access over your collection is great bonuses too.
I been getting all sorts of reaktions doing traktor DJ sets for a few years. People think I am using mp3's or think automatically that the laptop have bad sound quality. Other audio quality fanatics have at the same time been praising the output of my setup compared to your regular pioneer CD players.
I use only wav files and have a pulsar card with 24bit converters for output.
No doubt it is the next step of evolution anyway, so better wake up and smell the coffee. I for one can't wait to hear some skilled traktor DJ's playing.
Unfortunally it takes a lot of gut's in this world of retroverts. Some people don't seem to be able to look past the tools and just listen.
So ppl, come on, be open and say hello to the harddisk jokey's! |
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duodenumz
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Posted : Aug 30, 2004 20:16
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agreed on Traktor. i've been using a laptop (iBook & M-Audio Firewire Audiophile, and i use external mixer) at all my progressive psy gigs, and people always take notice. with the Traktor interface, i can mix more like i mix vinyl, with lots of small cuts, bassline swapping, backspins, and layering. and that's not even touching the looping and filter controls. i have never heard a psy DJ mix this way using CDs, but maybe i just haven't been to enough psy parties. as for vinyl DJs, they must feel sad when they can't get 95% of psytrance releases. |
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clown
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Posted : Aug 30, 2004 21:21
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ohh dear.. i will refrain from commmenting on traktor Dj's.. total lameness.. how does mixing with cd's differ from vinyle?? you have the same nobs on the mixer, you can beatmatch, you can add external effects from other forms of hardware if you want to be fancy, you can do small cuts and bass swaps.
lord.. !
its nice to see and read everyone's different opinions on things..
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Posted : Aug 30, 2004 21:40
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U are a real funny clown 
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Spindrift
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Posted : Aug 30, 2004 21:58
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Well mr clown, it will be nice to see you in the future with some antique pioneers with chewing gum over the bpm counters, whinching about all the other DJ's not being 'real' DJ's.
Ahh, you will "refrain from commenting".
It would be nice to actually hear you say your opinion on why you feel like this about laptop DJ'ing.
"total lameness" is hardly a very convincing counter argument. Rather a silly teeny burst of frustration.
What is really the problem with that it is easy to beatmatch, organize/access your tracks, see the track graphically, having a huge choice of FX, being able to add from a library of loops and sounds etc, etc.....
Well, I think you will "refrain" from commenting that because if you think that the quality of DJ'ing we be generally lower in the future because of a multitude of advantages like that coming in the hands of the DJ's, I think you are indeed a bitter and twisted retrovert.
And otherwise it is only about your prestige and your ego story, and that is not something you want to expose on the forum maybe.
And lameness for me is being called DJ clown and having a booking link in your signature.... |
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Pak-Man
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Posted : Aug 31, 2004 06:35
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Hey clown, why should DJing be resticted to only a certain way of doing it, after a couple of years of watching DJ's and Djing myself I realized that eveyone should do it the way they feel comfortable, the format isn't important its the way it sounds that matters
Progressive, Full-on? Its all good <;} |
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Sektor666
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Posted: Aug 31, 2004
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Spindrift you too agressive smoke some shit mate
Clown guy make all you pissed off that all ........he knows very well true part in whole this .....
Clown beware if you take my job on this forum , i will buy ticket to Canada andwe will talk about being clown ..... |
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clown
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Posted : Aug 31, 2004 08:36
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Maybe it should not be restricted to the means.. maybe dj's shouldnt even mix there tracks together, because what you's are saying is that its all about the music.. maybe dj's should just play a premixed CD done from there computer the night before the party. Maybe LIVE acts shouldn't be LIVE just in case they make a mistake.. Maybe i shouldn't post my thoughts and expectations on a discussion board because people might think im ego tripping .. Maybe having a booking link in your signature is considerd lameness to some. Maybe i shouldn't take music seriously and bring forth nothing new to the people listening at parties because maybe there not even listening.. Maybe i should book dj's not because i like the way they mix, but because they can bring me more bookings in the future.. And just maybe i shouldn't try and force feed my ways to people that differ to myself...
Conclusion... do what you like i guess, because there are no rules.. but in what other scene do people use bpm counters or computers to mix?? Tiesto doesn't.. Oakenfold doesnt.. Adam Beyer doesn't.. lets ask them what they think about this kind of "evolution"..
im just old fashion and im trying to preserve it....
a friend of mine once told me that traktor was a good tool.. you can mix your tracks for 4 minutes non-stop without it even offbeating. im sure it has its advantages, but i see not why someone would book one laptop dj over another.. because his computer has more RAM??
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