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Pak-Man
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Mar 3, 2004 00:57
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Hey Dr. Borris when r u going to post your second lesson, I am quite confident in my ability to beat match but EQing is another story, Hey YAT if u practice regularly u will get better it just takes time
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simius m
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Posted : Mar 18, 2004 07:02
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Any advice with the kickdrums? Beatmatching is not my problem anymore but having both kickdrums together in my mixes is causing me problems they don´t sound really good, what should i do? I hate having one cut and only use the other i prefer both but i can´t make them sound pretty good. Please help. |
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Mar 20, 2004 19:45
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simius...some tracks dont fit together!! but u can solve must prob' with EQ,if they still dont sound good...either mix at a break or dont mix these tracks together...there is allso a 3rd option and thats to mix with an effect.(imnot a big fan of this)
cheers.
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spliffnik
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Mar 22, 2004 16:46
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one thing I have not noticed anyone mention:
When you are about to mix in one track to the one that is playing, most ppl have said listen with one ear to the music that is playing and listen with the other ear to the track you are monitoring.
I like to listen to both tracks thru my headphones and then figure out if the monitoring song needs to have its speed adjusted. I think this way is not only esier, but sometimes I have experienced where there is a delay in the music playing on the speakers compared to the music in the headphones. In this case it makes it extremely difficult to beatmatch! So I like to have everything figured out on my headphones only, then when everything is matched I take off my headphones and use the speakers to adjust the eq's since for me it is hard to figure out what the music will sound lie using only the headphones.
My one question- SOmeone mentioned this earlier:
In general, you should always try and mix your tracks from one breakdown (in track playing) to the otherbreakdown (of track comming in)..
its about 1 min 30 till about 2 min 45 (Depending on your creativity, and risk taking) per mix, so it gives you well enough time to ajust the volumes of each track to make it sound sweet
I try to do this, but how do you know when the breakdown begins/ends? I agree this is the best way to make your set seem like one seemless song but this is hard to do! Do I need to just catalog like crazy and know exactly how long each phrase lasts? I am not trying to be lazy, but if there are other ways that would help me besides cataloguing I would appreciate the tips.
-bOOm-
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clown
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Mar 24, 2004 02:50
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spliffnik: i made the mention about the breakdown to breakdown thing.. and well, there is no trick to doing this.. just hope that the song structures are similar in the tracks you want to beatmatch..
basically, what i do is, when there is one of those long bassless trances (what i call a breakdown), i wait till the kick comes back, and the song starts again.. as soon as it does come back, i start my cue, place the kicks syncro, and do my stuff.. and most of the time, when the track ends, the other one is at a breakdown.. therefor meaning that the crowed had a chance to "taste" the new bassline, the new sounds, and is ready for the new track to continue, after a small breakdown..
sounds kinda confusing, i know, but its hard to explain i guess.. just follow your gut feeling.. 
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zooter
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Mar 24, 2004 06:25
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i have one (more) doubt in this topic....when i'm practising at home alone my mixing skills, i almost always feel that i'm mixing correctly, but how exactly do i find out whether i'm correct or f***ed up the mix???
one way to do this would be to record the mix and play it later, but is there any other way (if there is nobody else) to comment? thanks |
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clown
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Posted : Mar 25, 2004 01:39
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zooter
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Posted : Mar 25, 2004 06:35
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Pak-Man
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Posted : Mar 25, 2004 23:45
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Clown, LSD makes even the shittiest set sound good. Zooter if a mix sounds good it sounds good it dosen't matter how you mixed it
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zooter
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Posted : Mar 26, 2004 09:14
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but recording the mix & listening to it later is the only way if i practise alone???? |
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spliffnik
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Posted : Mar 26, 2004 22:25
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its not the only way, but the best way, since you can listen over and over if you want. You said that you can't seem to tell if the mix was correct or not. Just try to feel the groove as much as you can, and if your mix felt like it has a continuous groove, then you did it 'correctly'. To me it's like surfing a wave, and you gotta continue to ride that same wave, never pausing. If you fall off that wave (screw up the mix) then you have killed the groove you were building (=incorrect). Strange analogies maybe,:) but point is try to feel the continuous groove in the music.
And experiment a lot! Good luck man.
-bOOm-
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zooter
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Posted : Mar 29, 2004 06:19
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thanx |
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simius m
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Posted : Apr 3, 2004 04:47
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What about harmonic mixing? I'm trying to only mix tracks that are compatible in key with other tracks and with a bpm difference not bigger than 3. I don't know if 3 is too small maybe 5. Key detection is very hard and i'm not sure that i have the right keys, where can i find the key of the tracks? Logic Bomb put on their page the bpm and keys of their tracks but i think they are the only ones that do that. Any kind of info? thank's
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DJ_Chorman
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Apr 8, 2004 02:25
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Learn to mix hiphop and you will be the master of djing!!!!!!
why?
Hip hop is not always a 4/4 beat, and is much more complicated........ think thats hard?
Mix hiphop with trance and scratching......
I am learning both, and reward myself for a good hiphop mix by playing a bit of trance.....
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Jikkenteki
Jikkenteki
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Posted : Apr 8, 2004 03:01
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Harmonic mixing is a neat idea, but not something I would place too much attention in (if you are spinning on vinyl its a moot point anyways since you are changing the pitch with the bpm changes too). The idea of key matching is nice and all and when well done it can make for a nice mix or two, but the reason I don't put much faith in it is because anyone with any amount of musical training will tell you that listening to an hour or more of tracks all in the same key (or even related keys) tends to get boring very quickly.
Notice that artists change keys all the time between tracks on their albums and no one every complains about the change in key sigs. A few artists with actual musical skills even change keys and have proper chord progressions too with in a track, but they are the minority these days. New and unexpected key changes are on one of the major things that makes music interesting and when we are talking on a scale of an hour or more, I think they are vital to maintaining people's interest.
Some people will argue it is important to know how to mix harmonically because some tracks just don't harmonically fit together well, but your ears know that instictively anyways. It is a useful skill to be able to determine a track's key and know that another track with clash with it harmonically because is create a flat 5th interval with the previous track and all, but your ears will simply "know" anyways. I also think that harmonic mixing can actually be deterimental to a dj because he/she becomes a slave to the keys and is not willing to try mixing certain tracks that might work together perfectly fine simply because their theory says not to try them.
Changing keys is an important part of the musical experience in my opinion, so while "harmonic" mixing is a useful trick, it is only one of many and I would never base an entire set off it. As one jazz musician put it so perfectly "music theory is only there to help you explain why something work or doesn't work, its not there to make music with". Just use your ears, if it sounds good, mix it, if it doesn't, don't.
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