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Posted : Dec 28, 2003 07:06
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Good post!
Keep updating it with tips.
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YAT (vxzp violation)
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Posted : Dec 29, 2003 22:06
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i have a question
is there a chance i am not good for djing?
i mean it takes me very long to find bpm's
although my musical hearing is very good
i mean.... i can quickly say if the track is faster
or slower but to make a proper mix it takes me smth like 30 - 40 mins!!!
will i ever gain the control of it?
very furstrating....
oh and yeah, great topic, keep postin tips good ppl
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Posted : Dec 29, 2003 22:12
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any idea how i can learn without having equipment?
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YAT (vxzp violation)
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Posted : Dec 29, 2003 22:37
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you can hire equipment...
or train with traktor in beatmaching
(i have doal soundcards so one is monitor and other is main)
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zooter
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Posted : Dec 30, 2003 06:08
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On 2003-12-29 22:37, YAT (vxzp violation) wrote:
you can hire equipment...
or train with traktor in beatmaching
(i have doal soundcards so one is monitor and other is main)
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Traktor actually doesn't really help u practise...automatic bpm/pitch adjustments mean u really don't practise anything, just the order of tracks u wanna play (& probably the point in the track where u wanna start playing)...am i right????
another question i wanted to ask was if ur setting a cue for a beat, should it be the 1st one(of a bar)???? i don't think it's that essential, but wouldn't it sound odd if ur mixing down to the 4th bar 4th beat (16th beat)????
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Posted : Dec 30, 2003 08:56
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yes traktor got all tools to mix, auto beatmatching and shit...
i got 2 soundcards too, one is onboard. but i can't run them 2, i got some errors when i do.
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YAT (vxzp violation)
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Posted : Dec 30, 2003 12:03
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old version traktor uses dual sound cards...
and zooter, obviously if you want to improve
you mixing skills, you will not use auto beatmaching! =D
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zooter
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Posted : Dec 31, 2003 09:32
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yep...but that still doesn't answer my other question....! (about the beats....) |
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Posted : Jan 2, 2004 17:27
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Well, of course you have to cue it on the fist kick of a first bar. Because when melody starts later, and you still have the track in the mix it's gonna sound strange, even if bpms are perfectly matched.
And about he 0.6 and 0.7 -> that's why i like MK-II, with analog pitch, and its more precise to touch or push the plate (below the record) then to rotate the jog wheel. For me.
So, zooter, my advise is get yourself two technics mk2, and when you learn to mix on turntables, you'll have no problem with switching/adjusting to any cd-player later.
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zooter
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Posted : Jan 3, 2004 06:27
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On 2004-01-02 17:27, hip wrote:
So, zooter, my advise is get yourself two technics mk2, and when you learn to mix on turntables, you'll have no problem with switching/adjusting to any cd-player later.
Of course, you'll have to buy some records, and soon you'll get very addicted. It's better then any drug.
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now ur telling me...! plur
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Posted : Feb 27, 2004 09:41
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On 2003-12-06 21:15, Feuerhake wrote:
A Beatcounter will help you very much
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if you use the beatcounter, you don't train your ear.. if you don't train your ear, your gonna end up loosing your mix.
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Zombi Posted on : 2003-12-09 14:36
i say forget whole 0.6/0.7/0... thing and find a proper beatmatch for every specific track, there is alot of tunes tht done at 138.5 bpm or 129.7 bpm. after long enough practice u will not need any shortcuts, just proper dj work.
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Dat's right my friend.. thats so right..
In general, you should always try and mix your tracks from one breakdown (in track playing) to the otherbreakdown (of track comming in)..
its about 1 min 30 till about 2 min 45 (Depending on your creativity, and risk taking) per mix, so it gives you well enough time to ajust the volumes of each track to make it sound sweet..
good luck..
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Posted : Feb 27, 2004 14:16
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Using computer is the new way of djing, so cjing.
I use Traktor (even i not often cjing), and it is the easiest way, so everybody can do.
Best is getting a notebook as equipment and you get all you need!
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kada
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Posted : Feb 27, 2004 14:59
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Uhn..EYB ! I respectly dont agree with you. I think is still very pleasant to see a DJ playing with vinil. (Of course it usually happens on techno,but i like it to much).
Now we are talking about new things, what about Final Scratch? Does somebody uses it?
It seem to be a great stuff !
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Feb 28, 2004 03:03
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On 2003-12-05 06:54, ShAnkArAdelic wrote:
I juzz can`t Beatmatch Hip Hop.....ahahah...i dun no why...
go with the snare not the kick....many times this will be the accurate repetitive in the beat.
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Borris
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Posted : Feb 28, 2004 06:49
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Hehehe.
I have finaly found this thread.
Guys. Forget your eyes. Beatmatching is done with your ears ALONE.
Don't use BPM counters. don't use the percentage counter of the CDJ. it's all in your ears.
Prosect: you can't train without equipment, just like you can't draw without paper and colours.
the basic things u need for practising is:
1. a basic 2 chanel mixer.
2. a good pair of headphones.
3. a speaker to serve as a monitor.
4. 1 CDJ/any pitchable CD or pitchable MD or Pitchable Direct Drive turntable (best to have a Technics 1200 or one of the good vestax models)
5. any second audio source (Deck CD, MD, DAT,computer, turntable).
step 1. Play out (to the monitor) any track from the non-pitchable source.
step 2. cue in the headphones the begining of the beat on the pitchable source.
step 3. once u have the begining of the beat queued listen to the track that is playing, catch it's groove and when a bar starts.
step 4. release the pitchable source, and listen is it faster or slower then the playing track, one ear should be listening to the monitor while the other to the hearphone. (u will hear it after 8-16 kicks if not faster) U do not need to open the fader at this point.
step 5. stop the pitchable source. adjust it to be faster or slower as needed. cueue it up again and release it again. (repeating steps 2-4).
after 2-3 times you will be close enough. now don't stop the pitchable source, open it's fader slowly and when it starts to run away push it forward or pull it backwards abit (using the jog wheel or the Turntable plate, there are several ways to do it. some DJ's use the pitch-fader to push/pull tracks, on TT's some use the spindle and u can also use the 33-45 switch but u need to see how other people do it in order to learn properly).
the tricky part in all of this of course is knowing whether you should pull or push the track. here only your hearing and beat sensing will help you. either you know it or you don't (and remember if u pushed the track and it get's worse u need to pull it).
this is the classic training for beatmatching.
Next lestions: blending EQing and beat counting.
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