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pr0fane
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Posted : Jan 7, 2005 14:51
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m_z_x
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Posted : Jan 7, 2005 17:21
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hehehe sam i am 
i've been a trance lover for quite a few years. inicially, and for a very long time, it was just the music. i guess when i first started to go to parties things were already changing and sometimes i wish i could go back in time so i could capture the feeling of the first parties.
when i go to a party, i go because of the music. people can make or break a party, but the truth is, if i'm with my friends, i won't give too much thought to who's around, as long as they let me enjoy my party in peace. being a girl this is sometimes difficult because of the "mitras" or "arsim" or whatever you want to call them. they can be pushy sometimes and that's not a good thing when you're in a "peace&love" mode. in the last party i went to i actually got afraid and had to change spot, and that's not a positive thing. of course we shouldn't be too harsh, not all "mitras" are bad, violent, stupid people.
IMO, there are a lot of crazy kids going to parties. we took a couple of young kids to a party (16-17 yrs-old) and it was total superman behavior. i was shocked with all the drugs they were doing, apparently as if it was normal to just stuff your mouth in them without even thinking! ok, i was crazy too when i was they're age but i was never irresponsible. if things keep going this way maybe we'll soon have age restrictions in parties 
on a more personal note, i dislike what has been referred to here as "elitist" behavior. not in this thread, but i've had some disappointing experiences with people who think that just because they wear dreadlocks and coloured piercings and uncommon clothes they are better than everybody else and give you that arrogant superior look when you ask for something as simple as a cigarrette. if you judge people based on what clothes they're wearing then you're totally missing the point.
enjoy life for it's too short and keep smiling!
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Lithium
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Posted : Jan 7, 2005 18:26
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well i stoped going to parties 1 year and a half ago so i have no idea how things are now, back then 1 year and a half ago things were already prettly ugly, one party could have like 1000 people and still it felt completly empty, no smilings  , no happy feeelings, no love, nothing of what made me get into this in the first place...
the only "gatherings" i go now are the ones organized by my friends with no more that 50 or 60 people were you can leave your wallet or whatever anywhere and pick it up 2 hours latter...
i think the spirit is gonne and will never come back cause everthing is always changing, it´s the laws of life, so as most of you i keep the good beautiful memories of those old days parties....
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furthur
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 07:42
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I still leave my wallet and whatever at parties in Canada (even big parties with severl hundred ppl) and never have it go missing. Just felt like bragging about the New World to everyone else.
Load Universe into Cannon. Aim at Brain. Fire.
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The Green Channel
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 12:31
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I still leave my wallet and whatever at parties in Canada (even big parties with severl hundred ppl) and never have it go missing. Just felt like bragging about the New World to everyone else.
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Just wait until your scene grows... (we also had such times in Denmark, once)
"Love is a way of life"
(Gaia, Love, Nature, Shamanism (.2A.y.0a.hu.1a.sc.2a.), Terence McKenna) |
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Psycosmo
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Posted : Jan 10, 2005 04:47
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I hope trance never gets big in the USA. Sure it sucks to not get as many live sets and the newest, hottest acts, but if what you are saying about big scenes is true (and I have a funny feeling yer right) Id rather be danicng alongside people I got love for than dancing to the latest and the greatest. My fellow Americans dont like me so if the rougher types started showing Id probably get squeezed out  |
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Gopendragon
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Posted : Jan 10, 2005 14:34
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Samothraki festival 2002 almost 16000 people.
But I remember the old years in athens at Alsos club pedion areos 1994-95-96 three stages and 3000 dancers partying with pleasure.Nowdays the scene is fucked up by the cops.Athens is dead only in salonica organizing parties in big capacity clubs with much people inside but the goa spirit of 94-95-96-97-98 is only great memories! |
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ajna
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 12:55
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the commun idea of tolerance and accepting everybody is a bullshit.
everyone is elitist and even snobish on his own level...even in hardcore style or its pendant the punk world.
according to me the goa trance scene was a different thing..sorry for talking of my exp here but it is to illustrate my opinion:
I discover raves parties in 92 in paris with the hardcore style...I hated the music but did like the E..after 3 months of hardteck/harcore/transcore parties I was fermly decided to stop going to parties since the "music" played was giving me headache...then I arrived in a goa trance party and it was a revelation for me.
I even convinced the guys that brought me to raves to come and dicover what was goa parties...(and they began organising goa parties)
There used to be a complete different atmosphere in goa parties than all other style of tek parties.
along with the location, djset,sound sytem etc... the most important point about the quality of a party is ,of course the "quality" of the peoples.If the average of "conscious" people is too low...then the party can't have a good vibe.
you are talking about tolerance, saying that we have to accept this type of behaviour or this type of people but in a rave party even a trance one, everyone know that we accept everybody, it is not a night club !!!
a trance party is a magical event often destructive, sometime constructive. you can call it snobbish, elitist or whatever, personnally I do not fear this kind of words,
but if the atmosphere and the vibe used to be so special in our parties it was because the way parties used to be organised was very, very, elitist by itself.
all about private connections, and unknown infoline...90 % of peoples that were coming were openminded people with spiritual considerations and good vibes to share.
the house music is good to dance .
the hardcore is good to get mad .
the trance used to be good for dancing to trance, sharing, being connected with universe and feeling good with unknown guys.
And that used to happen because of the natural elitism of its organisation.
now back in the "normal" world we all know that 90% of people follow what the other 10 % say, think or do. And those 10 % wether you like it or not we call that an elite.
personally I do not claim being this or that, part of an elite or other...I do not care about this..but I am not blind and I will never be ready to accept an idea just because the majority accept it..if you think those guys are snob go back to your brainstorming hardcore and don't bother anymore.
if you came to trance it is because unconsciouly or consciouly your mind pass a stage of expanding itself.
Goa trance is elitist in its own nature, just because it really seuces and reaches only a litle parts of music lovers and dancers..those that have the kind of aural sensitivity and spiritual life that make them aprreciate this sound and vibe.
I really have no problem to write that the goa trance music is the most spiritual electronic dance music of this period of time and so should be all that come with, people, vibes, event etc...
the most important difference between peoples is the "level" of consciousness.
I do not go to party anymore since a lot of years but I can imagine that nowadays you go to 90 % of parties or festival and then you find yourself with a lot of peoples that do not have a level of consciouness and behaviours that "fit" with the place, the music, the "message", the vibe.
1 solution is to "educate" the new ones like this guy from portugal does so cleverly about drugs, another solution is private parties but then you just find yourself with the same peoples and miss the "new face" nrj.
the last solution which is not a solution but just the futur of all this is that more and more big events will take place which, bit by bit, will put the litle seed in lots of unexperienced guys(in the j.hendrix sense).
this topic is , according to me , more about the peoples, than the trance peoples.
When you increase quantity you often loose quality !
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Jan 13, 2005 23:30
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ajna, i do agree 100%
i´d just not say that tolerance is bullshit. i would call it false tolerance leading to sell out of the music and partyscene.
tolerance is a very important value, but it does not mean that you accept everything within your privacy. it does mean that you respect other people even though they have incompatible points of view as long as they do not penetrate your privacy.
goa, as you said, is semi-private and its center are mind expansion, spiritual/ mystical experiences, ecstatic dance and the creation of autonomous space.
among the people who respect this tenor we have to be tolerant. those who do not, why should there be any tolerance towards them (violent people or lame people mocking at a certain behavior or something e.g.)? |
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soulsphere
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Posted : Jan 14, 2005 15:51
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for me the quality of ppl is what determines,
it plays much dominant role than quantity.
i think that ppl who feel the need to be surronded by openminded,spiritual ppl and enjoy true psytrance should seek the private/underground parties and not go to clubs... |
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jaramogi
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Posted : Jan 14, 2005 16:27
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it's a pitty that so many people say they dont go to goaparties anymore because of the arshim's
if there are so many arsim's, why you let suppress you?- thats not the right way
suppress the arshim's!!!!
as long as i can find a few cool people, i have no prob continuing
think you can find cool people everywhere around the globe, open you eyes and you will find them 
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Jan 15, 2005 13:03
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for me the quality of ppl is what determines,
it plays much dominant role than quantity.
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indeed!
unfortunately, commercialisation leads to a different point of view among many organisers and artists.
seems like some have sold their initial motivation of participating in an alternative scene.
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On 2005-01-14 16:27, jaramogi wrote:
it's a pitty that so many people say they dont go to goaparties anymore because of the arshim's
if there are so many arsim's, why you let suppress you?- thats not the right way
suppress the arshim's!!!!
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LOL, yeah, but this is not what cash-hungry businessmen think. if the majority attaining an event consists of non-conscious or non-psy people, it´s them taking over and determining the way it goes, because the cash rules when goaparties become the source of income of organisers who are not spiritual enough to resist the seduction of money.
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mafkaroo
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 19:54
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Yeah it looks like we need a subtle balance between and elitsm and tolerance. Superficial snobbery which makes people feel insecure should be frowned upon.
I've noticed after almost a decade of going to trance parties all over the place, that the average age has dropped - when I was a kid it must have been late 20's early 30's? or seemed like it..
Parties nowadays I sometimes feel like I can't talk to people openly, or share with them about trance adventures in the Himalayas or the Oz outback in the past. They look at you scared, like I'm a nutter, I get more response down my local pub! |
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TweekerD
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Posted : Jan 19, 2005 02:01
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One of the main reasons I pick the parties I go to very carefully is the people I might see there....
The age doesn't really matter if you're a good person at heart, and it doesn't really matter what clothes you wear or if you got dreads or looking like you just got back from Chillum-filled days and nights in Parvati....
All you gotta have is a good heart. When you come to a party, you come to have fun.
You wanna get in a fight? A party is not the place, there are plenty of places you can kick someone's ass, or get yours' kicked. Nobody comes to a party to fight.
Wanna pick up chicks? Not the right place. Go to a house party. Psytrance is not about that.
Wanna take some E? keep that outta my party and lay off those balloons as well!
So if you're gonna come to a psytrance party, there are criteria you have to meet, otherwise you're ruining it for everyone.
Most importantly - smile! There's nothing like a big smile and a hearty laugh to make you and everyone around happy....
Of course, if I had a choice of some people who will just disappear to never br heard from again, it's "Arsim Shimonim" or whatever you wanna call them. Yes they can be happy and have fun too, but as I said before, violence and girl-hunting is not a part of psytrance.....
Bom everyone and just try to be nice (of course those Arsim will not reading this post. I believe that even those who know how to use a computer/the internet can't read english....)
BOM
"We just got that Volcano lit...
...Gee, I thought Tarzan was set in Africa!"
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