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Antiworld, the "scene", bitching, and where UK trance is going
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maux
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Posted : Jun 16, 2007 13:26
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On 2007-06-16 10:06, Jay OM wrote:
mmm... this forum is called isratrance and not israminidubcapernecchia... more then wrong thread me thinks you are in the wrong forum.
have a nice day,
jay
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well said...excuse us for the diversions.
let's go back to the real underground then...
so what is the new amazing release from that fat label Hommega ?
I got some rumors of Astrix doing minimalix and Infected Risotto diggin dubstep...and Skazi remixing Marilyn Manson.
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Astral Mike
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Posted : Jun 16, 2007 16:35
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On 2007-06-16 13:26, maux wrote:
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On 2007-06-16 10:06, Jay OM wrote:
mmm... this forum is called isratrance and not israminidubcapernecchia... more then wrong thread me thinks you are in the wrong forum.
have a nice day,
jay
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well said...excuse us for the diversions.
let's go back to the real underground then...
so what is the new amazing release from that fat label Hommega ?
I got some rumors of Astrix doing minimalix and Infected Risotto diggin dubstep...and Skazi remixing Marilyn Manson.
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Skazi is not signed to HOMmega productions, and Infected & Astrix have been voted into the top 100 'DJ's' in the world by clubbers.
HOMmega productions consider themselves to be one of the "most popular labels in the world", featuring at "high profile" events. Where do they claim to be "underground" ?
If you wish to get back on topic and discuss the obvious hypocrisy of Antiworld's marketing of its events as "underground", while also claiming to be the "best / biggest / international" and the consequences of commercial interests encroaching on creativity and originality then perhaps we will have something interesting to contemplate here. |
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John
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Posted : Jun 16, 2007 18:40
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On 2007-06-16 16:35, Astral Mike wrote:
If you wish to get back on topic and discuss the obvious hypocrisy of Antiworld's marketing of its events as "underground", while also claiming to be the "best / biggest / international". |
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Dance night in not being 100% honest in its marketing shock horror.. better call Trading Standards.. |
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full_on
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Posted : Jun 17, 2007 00:25
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Underground is a relative world... Incredible how people want quality intra-structure, big sound system, decoration, security, clean bathrooms, etc, and when they have it it's just "not underground anymore". This is not targeted at you, Astral Mike, I think I get you point, I'm far from UK but here @ Brazil similar stuff happen in almost all parties. It is just sooooo difficult to draw the line...
For real underground stuff book me, I'll make my Live Act using only a trash can and two silver tea spoons.
Opss, sorry, using silver tea spoon totally makes it not underground...
This was a joke.
I'm locking this thread because it is going nowhere...
Sorry for doing that, but I think it's for the best.
Respect!
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full_on
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Posted : Jun 18, 2007 00:06
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OK, I'm unlocking the thread by users’ request.
I got two PMs from users trying to explain the situation in the UK, that Twisted and Antiworld issues need to be discussed, etc...
Also one of them suggested that by moderating the UK Section I'm making the other UK moderators look bad.
Let me explain my points of view in these issues.
First of all, I don't like to have to say that in public, but I'm the person in charge of Isratrance right now. This means I'm moderating the forum as a whole, which makes me a moderator in all sections. I could easily add my name as moderator in the UK section, but this wouldn't make any sense because I'm already a moderator.
If I'm around the UK section is not because I have lots of spare time, but because I think this sections need moderation. I'm adding another moderator to this section soon. Why? Because it is not good to read what happened in the Twisted thread... That made me sad... I mean VERY sad... I mean sad beyond what words can explain.
This forum is a free place to people talk about anything psytrance related as long as they respect each other's opinions and express themselves with education and respect.
We try to keep the vibe alive, and I believe we have a role in education people about what this vibe is about. When I read something like what happened in the Twisted thread, which is exactly the opposite vibe, with people disrespecting each other's without limits, that just made me feel like giving up.
I do think this section is important and these polemic discussions are relevant for people to get a better idea of what's going on instead of relying in their own opinions forever, because I believe more information helps to complete a better picture of the situation. You know more data usually means a better fitting, unless it has more noise than information.
But if the price to allow these discussions to go on is seeing people disrespecting each other, fighting, and losing control in a bad way, then I'm sorry, but I won't let this happen, even if this means some nice people will start thinking I'm making censorship or acting like a dictator. I'm trying to deal with many delicate situations in the most open and sincere way I can, but I can not allow even half of what happened in the Twisted thread to happen again. So yes, I have fear...
I'm asking for everyone please to cooperate so that we all can have healthy discussions, which means politely explaining our ideas and respecting our differences, because these differences are what make each of us special. Do not exchange needles and sarcasms, this does not help other people to understand you.
Please report to me anything you think that goes against the guidelines.
"Patience, understanding, love... Most of all we need love."
Respect!
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bRaNdSkI
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Posted : Jun 20, 2007 02:33
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Question for Caligula- All I'd like you to explain to me please is why on the one hand -you complain about people who are 35, bored of trance and moan about how it was better in their day- then on the other hand you say "i don't want more people turned on to psy". You cant have it both ways and stay 23 forever you know? Either the scene gets fresh people and fresh impetus or it dies by the time everyone reaches their 30's and gets bored of it ! |
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 20, 2007 17:39
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yes, i was a bit ambiguous, im sorry. age means nothing.. i just hate people moaning about something i love so much. they must go do their own thing, and leave the scene if it bothers them. nothing else needs to be said about this.
wrt the second part, i didnt quite mean i dont want any new people to join the scene, i would just prefer only a specific type of person to join it.. and not a new wave of psytrance lovers.
i've just come back from austria (drops reflections) refreshed and enlightened. i LOVE psytrance as it is.. and shall refrain to debate about it. ever. i suppose i felt i needed to justify my passion, but i don't.. i'll let my music talk for me.. when that time comes.
one thing I have realised is the UK has a very distorted version of psytrance. its not the same here.. the people might be great, but the "scene" is a mess. the fact its indoors makes the music suffer like a tiger in a zoo. i'll probably never go to another club party again.. i'd rather leave this country before i accepted that that was the best i can do for myself..
dancing in a field, in the sun..
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Jun 20, 2007 18:45
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Whatever<------Bad Mr. Chaos, is not good to hurt people feelings with acid posts...missing you already.
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 20, 2007 19:52
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haha!
stirring up a nest is all i can do to avoid work. forgive me.
"psy shouldnt be indoor, and that these club parties in the UK, while filled with wonderful people, have soiled my image of the culture and scene for me.. because it is like cageing an animal.. i prefer to enjoy in the natural habitat.. dancing in the sun.." difficile est non saturam scribere |
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 20, 2007 19:53
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(not really fair that i'm not allowed to dislike UK psytrance.. i didn't just hurl insults.. i backed up my comments.. "whatever" followed by sarcasm is a little childish, isn't it?)
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Jun 20, 2007 22:28
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Not at all...I even agree with you in some parts (well...may be not when you say something like Quote:
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very poetic btw) but trust me when I tell you that my sentence is a very honest way to sum up my innerself after reading your post...another thing woul've been If I would've posted something like *yawn*, as well honest...but way too childish.
Boomshankarkillahp.l.u.r for you my friend.
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Paulbenn
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Posted : Jun 22, 2007 12:44
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Thanks to Full On for unlocking the topic.
I'd like to point out that, although I put Antiworld in the title of the thread, I personally didn't intend this to be a free-for-all for slagging off Antiworld or ANYONE'S night. In fact my opening thread was complimentary of Enri's parties, because they put a mix of different styles into their nights.
I don't give a shit whether the scene is "underground" or not - Underground-ness is not necessarily a virtue to me, because ANYTHING that gets stale can become boring, in my opinion.
Featuring different genres as well as psy is one way of keeping things fresh among many. It appeals to me particularly because I like a lot of different styles as well as my trance and would like to see more elements from techno (etc) incorporated into psy.
People like Caligula like trance for what it IS, which is a position I respect; My relationship with it is more nuanced, these days, which I think is a position that should be respected too. I have discovered that there are more nights mixing it up in new and different ways than I thought there were - Looking forward to catching some of this stuff, Bufo, Electric Mirror, Baraka vs Surge, Zog, AND the Antiworld festival if I can make it. I'm a happy man.
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 22, 2007 14:35
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after all that has been said, i would conclude that there is nothing wrong with mixing genres on certain nights/events.. because we all have the choice whether or not to attend.. and it would be selfish/foolish to deprive people of something they enjoy, when i wouldn't even be there anyway.
if its a good tune, and i can dance, in a sea of smiles.. im happy 
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-aeon-
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Posted : Jun 26, 2007 12:15
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i used to live in east ham / manor park and it was pretty grim.
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Caligula
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Posted : Jun 26, 2007 18:21
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On 2007-06-26 12:15, -aeon- wrote:
i used to live in east ham / manor park and it was pretty grim.
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With some mushies that would have been pretty "Grimm"
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