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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Aug 5, 2008 16:55
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I would love to see psytrance take off in the USA (especially in Colorado..and ahem.. New Mexico...) but this thread reminds me of why it stays small and provincial.
Politics and infighting .. like Baptist vs. Methodists .. thinking their own flavor is the best... thinking how great they are...forgetting they're all into the same ancient Jewish preacher.
My random thoughts:
- Outdoor is difficult to bring new people to. As nice as it is for "us," some people just can't grasp the concept of calling an info line or driving down a Forrest Service Road - and staying up all night in the trees and mosquitoes. Offer a $15 bus / shuttle van (Euphonic Concepts does this from Boulder to Mishawaka) and exact directions in advance - with more information about people's concerns - and more people might go. And I agree that indoor / city events are much more accessible for people - to start with.
- Dark/Neuro and Goa/Progressive are different genres of music.. as different as bluegrass and heavy metal. They appeal to different crowds and should probably be promoted and branded differently. One dark trance night for a hippie / Burner crowd and they're never coming back. One night of uplifting Goa for a Juggalo / goth-based crowd and they're never coming back.
Say what you want, but global trancefloor experiments and endless forum threads prove that .. except for a few very musically open-minded trancers... humans STRONGLY tend to prefer either a more dark/aggressive or colorful/bouncy sound. It's just our wiring. Don't confuse people.
- We should maybe get the South America and other international people in on this. Israelis mostly already know cause they are really into trance culture. Japanese / Indians / Europeans we don't have so many of. I think there are Mexicans and Brazilians familiar with trance in the Southwest - get them in. Also actively promote to OUTDOOR PSY PEOPLE outside the electronic music scene... I'm talking Rainbow Gatherings, Bluegrass festivals, Funkadelic Jam bads at the Fox Theatre and Cervantes, Red Rocks, Disco Biscuits, CU and Naropa, Farmer's Markets, Nederland, ...... LIKE IT OR NOT.. that is where "psychedelic" people who like to dance in nature currently hang out in Colorado - in large quantities . Don't know these people? Then you don't know much about the local psychedelic scene - yet!
- International talent makes a big difference. Twisted Records comes to Boulder Theater - sold out - incredible show filled with smiling psychedelic party people. They exist here. THOUSANDS of them. Blazing hot chicks. Smiling guys from outer space. Total dance freaks. Don't tell me the people aren't here - they are just very unaware of the smaller local scenes and acts - and they don't TRUST it will deliver them the same quality of experience.
Everyone is a DJ. Including me. But I know that I don't have enough charisma and name recognition..and frankly the same level of track selection / production skills and music connections...and thus power to entrance people and BRING THEM TO THE VENUE...omeone who makes a living by producing and DJing psychedelic music around the world.
Bring in the bigger names, generate buzz, bring in the people and convert them.
And BE NICE.. that's the most important part...! Psy energy is sensitive energy and rifts and shut downs get majority amplified.
"A trance floor divided against itself cannot stand" - Abraham Lincoln
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Aug 5, 2008 18:25
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Brett, we've done many successful parties with both lighter and darker shades of psytrance in the past. i don't think they are mutually exclusive, if done well and if the extremes in both are avoided.
and yes, Boulder has some potential too, though the PD there is very unfriendly. the hippies, they love Shpongle and somewhat slower stuff.. breaks, glitch, groovy Gypsie nation, Buddhabomb style music. they do not want to hear 12 hours of psytrance! again an argument for variety. but it's not something that most psytrance promoters like to hear.
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djSF
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Posted : Aug 5, 2008 23:26
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So I think we should all just join forces and see what we can come up with. Honda Mesa would be an excellent choice for CO/NM parties, but I'm also hoping to have something more centrally located to be able to include the AZ folks. Also my dream is to throw something near Roswell, but that would take a lot of work - gwyn |
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Alexander
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Posted : Aug 6, 2008 00:07
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On 2008-08-05 08:56, DiMiTry wrote:
dude, you got me all wrong. i am not bashing her down, i am trying to point her in a different direction. she was talking about throwing a large event and bringing in DJs from out of state in hope of attracting trancers from CO and AZ - do you seriously think it's a feasible idea? how can you promise her support if you can't bring people out to your own back yard?
look, I've been DJing for going on 12 years now, 8 of them dedicated to psytrance. I've organized and played many parties in many different places and have seen styles, promoters, collectives, crowds come and go. And no, I don't like where psytrance is right now - but that's not really the issue. The issue is that many of our friends - the crowd that has been coming to our events for years - don't want to hear it all night anymore. It's human nature - people get sick of the same thing when it's played over and over and over and over and over, all night long and all morning, too. They're over it.
Larger cities with an influx of foreigners already familiar with the music don't have this problem. In Denver you'll have to build it from scratch. Nobody ever travels here from other states for parties, we've had maybe 20-30 people come up over the last 5 years. It's just too far for most people to drive, even if it's a great party. Yes, some people will do it - I've done it, and you've done it, but you can't base your attendance on people from out of state - you have to have a base - a dedicated one, since there is always a lot of competition, no matter what date you pick.
Anyway, I don't have any recipes for building it. From what I've seen, indoor and club events in the city get you the best promotion and visibility and help build reputation for you and your music among partygoers. The Denver crowd is notoriously fickle, lazy and unwilling to drive long distances and go outdoors if they don't know the promoter very well. Throw a few club events, get your name out there, and you'll be getting a lot more folks coming to your dream festivals in the mountains.
Of course it would help if the music was getting a bit more interesting and innovative right about then too... but that's another conversation.
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Thank you.
In addition, many different crews can speak of throwing shows together....the bottom line? Where's the capital coming from?
This is why we have chosen to ORGANIZE gatherings completely self contained....no $ BS. We have our main core that knows how to self appoint...very important in organizing an event at a professional level.
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karmavsDogma
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Posted : Aug 6, 2008 00:17
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The mountains near Gallup have some amazing formations (at least, what I've seen from the air). It's centrally located enough for AZ, NM, CO, and UT folks (maybe even Texas and Cali) could feasibly make it out for a weekend event. You just have to pick the right time of year, and the right people to involve.
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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Aug 6, 2008 01:06
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Bring out an international lineup on par with something like Symbiosis... and I will *consider* driving out of state (but still might not go). 20+ top acts in different genres that all excite me might seal the deal.
Humans are skeptical and neophobic by nature. They stick with that they know. Beer and cigarettes. Dinner and a movie. Rock bands and shopping malls. TV and team sports. SUVs and MickeyD's.
In order to get a critical mass of people to risk life, liberty and petrol to attend an event... drive into the middle of nowhere, turn on and TRY SOMETHING UNKNOWN... they have to have social proof (people they personally trust who convince them) that it going to blast off and be rock solid, pleasant and positive experience.
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kyote321
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Posted : Aug 6, 2008 17:20
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it is interesting that the forum topic is albuquerque, but i seem to be the only one writing from here!
trance in albuquerque is a long way away, better off looking to taos - like this weekend.
there is absolutely no reason that dark psy and goa can't be on the same night. starting off with dubstep and progressive isn't doesn't make you any less 'core,' it just means you can build your night in a nice way that sucks people in instead of turning them off.
if anyone wants to ride up from the 505 on the 23rd to denver pm me. i may have a place to stay in denver. |
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djSF
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Posted : Aug 6, 2008 23:21
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Yay! Someone from home!! Do you know Cody or Grant? They're part of my psytrance crew in Albuquerque and they may wanna come up with you. Also I never though of doing a massive party - just a little renegade with the resources we've got, and I really don't think anyone care what style of psytrance is being played as long as the flow is good - gwyn |
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karmavsDogma
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Posted : Aug 19, 2008 07:53
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Would all of you drive to Snowflake, Arizona (or, possibly, Flagstaff) for a weekend long event? I'm talking Friday through Sunday/Monday. There are people out here working to make it happen, but I'm curious how big we should plan for 
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djSF
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Posted : Aug 19, 2008 23:46
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I think we can russtle up a few carloads of psytancers from Albuquerque at least. I think we could perhapse plan a few smaller events at first to get momentum going - I personally love smaller 'family' style events - gwyn |
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karmavsDogma
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Posted : Aug 20, 2008 08:42
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On 2008-08-06 01:06, BrettFromTibet wrote:
Bring out an international lineup on par with something like Symbiosis... and I will *consider* driving out of state (but still might not go). 20+ top acts in different genres that all excite me might seal the deal.
Humans are skeptical and neophobic by nature. They stick with that they know. Beer and cigarettes. Dinner and a movie. Rock bands and shopping malls. TV and team sports. SUVs and MickeyD's.
In order to get a critical mass of people to risk life, liberty and petrol to attend an event... drive into the middle of nowhere, turn on and TRY SOMETHING UNKNOWN... they have to have social proof (people they personally trust who convince them) that it going to blast off and be rock solid, pleasant and positive experience.
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I don't want to speak for everyone, but those who attend Overmind Works events always seem to be having a great time. Some have even commented on how great a time they were having (occasionally before the event even officially begins). I can personally guarantee that I'll work my ass off to make sure everyone who attends any event I have a hand in has a great time while there. So hopefully I'll see more of you at something this fall/winter/spring (which feels, mostly, like spring here in Phoenix).
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