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A simple question to all the artists on this forum...

BrainStorm
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Feb 5, 2003 21:26
hey bholenath, i guess you know that there's no any "cover" for stealing available.. as well for killing, and many many other stuff

so if your dad pays for your computer, etc.. well make him like the music you like yourself
Shanti Alien
Vectro Electro

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Posted : Feb 6, 2003 04:31
Chi... Imagine that you are an artist. You give your soul, time and money into creating music
an suddenly someone comes and asks your question.



WHAT WOULD YOU ANSWER???
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Chi
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Feb 6, 2003 11:18
I have the same opinion as Mr. Brainstorm in his first post... as an artist, that's what i would think. But then again, if i had the talent, i would never rely on music as my only income... i always like to have a backup job. But that's personal
nobody_3
Inactive User

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Posts :  1177
Posted : Feb 6, 2003 12:13
To be honest I am getting sick and tired of this topic. I do not recall seeing so many lame excuses anywhere else than in this scene when peopel try to convince themselves it's ok to steal music.

As an artist I of course want people to like my music and I did not get into making music to make money. I did it out of love to music ! BUT !!!!

After a long time in a studio working on a album day in and day out I do not even question my right to get paied for my work. People that say that musicians should be happy that people like their music and dont need money from it do not know what they are talking about !! It's the same as telling a person in a office that he/she do not need payment for the work because that person enjoy what he/she is doing for a "living"...... It's utterly B*** S*** !!!

And to people that say that we should get a second job...well we could do that but if every musician, painter, writer ect. ect. did that then you would not see the creativity and variety of art on this planet anymore.... a true tallent need to stay focused on his/her work fulltime and should be payed according to the work....... In what law does it say that artists should suffer and work for free?

And what about all the many many artists that never get booked for live gigs because they do not fit the "Top 10" music in this scene? They can not make a living out of gigs and the sure can not make a living out of their music as the situation is now!

So I say no to no.1 - Anyway music has been available long before mp3 and had no problem being sold and exposed to people around the world....that's why there's something called marketing and PR !!!!!
shahar
IsraTrance Team

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Posted : Feb 6, 2003 12:31
Quote:

On 2003-02-05 21:16, bholenath wrote:
psycho_mushroom what if ur dad pays for ur computer and net connection, but gives u no money and ur too young to someone to seriously give u any money for working???




When I started buying music, I was 10 years old. Me and my friend had of course tapes (recording of the radio!), but when we decided this is more serious for us we started working cleaning the stairs in common houses and washing cars and with this we bought records, of course we recorded each others' records. But we did buy.

I think the magic formula is very simple, listen to what you want however you want- but if you like it, if the music gives you something- buy it, give back to the people who gave you. That's how I always did it.

So the answer to you question Chi, is that if I was an artists I wouldn't have a problem with you doing anything with my music, in one condition- if you like it- buy it!
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Chi
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Feb 6, 2003 14:02
Quote:

On 2003-02-06 12:13, Elysium Project wrote:
To be honest I am getting sick and tired of this topic. I do not recall seeing so many lame excuses anywhere else than in this scene when peopel try to convince themselves it's ok to steal music.

As an artist I of course want people to like my music and I did not get into making music to make money. I did it out of love to music ! BUT !!!!

After a long time in a studio working on a album day in and day out I do not even question my right to get paied for my work. People that say that musicians should be happy that people like their music and dont need money from it do not know what they are talking about !! It's the same as telling a person in a office that he/she do not need payment for the work because that person enjoy what he/she is doing for a "living"...... It's utterly B*** S*** !!!

And to people that say that we should get a second job...well we could do that but if every musician, painter, writer ect. ect. did that then you would not see the creativity and variety of art on this planet anymore.... a true tallent need to stay focused on his/her work fulltime and should be payed according to the work....... In what law does it say that artists should suffer and work for free?

And what about all the many many artists that never get booked for live gigs because they do not fit the "Top 10" music in this scene? They can not make a living out of gigs and the sure can not make a living out of their music as the situation is now!

So I say no to no.1 - Anyway music has been available long before mp3 and had no problem being sold and exposed to people around the world....that's why there's something called marketing and PR !!!!!



Please do not attack me. I didn't say anywhere i don't buy music or that artists should get a second job.
What i said was that I (MYSELF) would also have a second job.
About the buying the music part, what i do is exactly what shahar said. I have hundreds of mp3, and i'm only legally entitled to less than 20% of them. Why? Because i like to try music before i buy. And when i download an album and listen to it, if i like at least half the tracks, i'll buy it. If i like only two or three tracks, i don't.
I only started this topic to see what the majority of the artists thinks.
It's nice to see that the majority chooses nș1 - the most noble and correct IMO.
Mr.Hanky
Ace Ventura

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Posts :  1088
Posted : Feb 6, 2003 15:34
Chi your question may be simple but it is very stupid.
Hey,No one can argue with technoligy,
programs like kaza soul-seek and the likes are all legal programs and no one can blame you for using them.hack i use kazza too sometimes.

But you really don't have to blow that out in people's faces - you are downloading music that was intended to be bought at the stores.
no need to be so proud of it.
Kaz
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Feb 6, 2003 15:58
I think Kristian said it nicely. Saying that you legally own 20% of the music, means you have 80% stolen, and I doubt you'll double your music collection anytime soon, so conservatively, you stole 3 times more music than you currently own. That's wrong.           http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
traveller
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posts :  3803
Posted : Feb 6, 2003 16:13
that's why I become a writer.. people will always buy books.. ebooks just don't have that something..           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
- Larry Niven
psydark_light
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posts :  249
Posted : Feb 6, 2003 16:14
who cares
I have my brother's store

I pick few CDs from the store and listen at home IN THE BEST QUALITY .
When I like the cd , I keep it and pay for it (maybe I pay smallest price , but it doesn't matter for the artists or the labels).
and when the cd is bad I drop it back to the store.

and when it really bad , my brother return the cd to the distributor and it get back to the lame label that release it.

however it doesn't fair to download mp3s !
DJs should have originals much more than others , because this is their job !
and others should have originals BECAUSE MUSIC IS PART OF UR LIFE!
DJs take care , when u play illegal stuffs ,u in danger (just remember I said it )!


          what if everyone of us will think positive about peace ?

DJs can fly!
damage
damage

Started Topics :  15
Posts :  321
Posted : Feb 6, 2003 17:34
chi> a quistion for you. would you prefer buying the music in a shop with a good quility recording, nice cd cover with shiny paper telling you more about the artist's music you like so much....OR, let the artist keep all the trax to himself/herself and only play it at parties, because there's just not enough people out there who cares about the scene enough to actually support it by buying the music????
Tomer
Yotopia

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Posts :  308
Posted : Feb 6, 2003 22:42
i think that people (both listeners & artists) r not paying enough attention to a very basic thing in music.

after all it's a very small scene compare to other scene's & listeners are an important part of it as much as any artist because of that ! & thier actions will disign how it looks ...

if u copy your music ,KNOW, that by doing that you are killing it slowly !

if u love this music, this scene , the parties ,the people, the great moments that it gives to each & every on of us.
than know how to give back .
think about what u can do to keeping it alive & most important kicking !
& like everything in this world .... money keeps things moving. it's very simple fact , but often when it comes to music people forget it .

think about it...           visit us on myspace.com/yotopia
KosMos
Drone

Started Topics :  15
Posts :  240
Posted : Feb 7, 2003 01:46
some people need to understand that STEALING does not refear only to material things...

...and as for the "first i test and then i buy" thing..
if you "test" something and you don't like it.. do you erase it from your drive?
that's a rhitorical question, there's no need to answer it...........           in search for an answer...
Insane Behavior
Insane Behavior

Started Topics :  23
Posts :  190
Posted : Feb 7, 2003 11:07
Guy`s......Damn!!


RESPECT THE ARTIST..!!!!!


|RoYeC|
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  31
Posts :  814
Posted : Feb 7, 2003 11:11
Chi next time u ask a question think abit

if i was an artist and u would download my music from the internet u would fuck all my work and i won't make money because ppl like you download my music!!!

If u like the artist go buy his CD
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