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A QUESTION FOR THE LABELS!!
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traveller
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Posted : May 20, 2003 13:09
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why aren't you fighting the mp3 mafia? is't really that difficult? think about the "trance ftps", which pretty much are the key here. through those ftps the music (mp3s) are distributed to people, who then share the music in soulseek, psylab & so on. the ftps definetly are the key here. now, i bet there's something like 200 to 500 active trance ftps. maybe 90% of them are in the eu area.
here's an example.. i go to http://www.oth.net and search for "ticon aero"
the very first hit looks like this
ftp://psy:ratio@neocortex.dyndns.org:514/Full Albumz/Ticon - Aero [2003]/
now i open my ftp client and copy & paste that adress.. okay seems like this guy has a lot of trance albums in mp3.. he's obviously part of the mp3 mafia..
so isn't there anything you can do about this? it's over 90% change that this ftp is in the eu area.. and if your label is from eu you can easily sue this guy..
why aren't you doing this? make a few warnings? sue them all? cut of the ftps.. that would be a good start now would it? after that you can for example go after -gem, -tune, -ms and so on..
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traveller
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Posted : May 20, 2003 13:13
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another issue.. try to write down all the people who you give your promos & unreleased tracks to.. give some to some and other to others.. make small groups.. then once you notice that many people have that promo or unreleased stuff divide that group that this particular promo or unreleased came from into new groups... see where the leak is.. sue the guy.. or atleast remove him from the promo/unreleased list..
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nobody_3
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Posted : May 20, 2003 14:28
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Seem to me that the labels could do nothing else than run after ftp's !!!! When one is shut down another appear.....
My dear friend I know you mean it good but think a little...... Where should all the resources such as money and staff come from????
It take a lot of work and a huge amount money to do as you suggest.... Just thinks about the huge huge lawyer fees !!!!! And not to mention the endless amount of work it take to crack down on the mp3 mafia....
If it was such an easy task as your post suggest don't you think it would have been done by now?
It's utopia to do as you suggest.....sadly but true !!!!
As for the promo issue...yes the labels could just stop giving out promos all together....but again...promos are a big part of the promotion and is a nessesary thing in order to expose the artists.
In my opinion there's only one solution !!!!!
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P_Mac
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Posted : May 20, 2003 14:37
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traveller it´s easier said than done sadly enough  . . there should be a standardized format for audio cd´s not to be read by a computer . . if the computer doesn´t read it makes it harder for the traders to screw the industry.
that i think is one possible step 
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traveller
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Posted : May 20, 2003 14:38
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one is shut down.. another appears..
yeah but imaganine once you make them pay..
shut down one.. make him pay.. he has to pay say 5000€ for the labels he harmed.. the next one will probably think twice before he starts his own ftp.. right?
huge lawyer fees? hmm.. can't eu citizens/corporates sue each other for free? other than that labels could atleast sue the ftps that are in their own nations/area.. like dicital sturctures for example could sue all the scando ftp owners..
oh well..
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Namhaj
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Posted : May 20, 2003 14:53
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As said, its too much work and too much money, and i can speak for myself i really dont have the time or money for anything else than organising the label... You shut one ftp down 10 more pop up.
CD piracy protection is becoming more complex and they are getting over marker pen issues, of course youll never stop CD piracy outright, but you can make it harder for the general public to get around it, even now i have CD's that refuse to burn. Im really not interested in trying to get around it, ill just buy the CD's i want, many places offer samples for you to hear before you buy.... and the newer types of protection do allow you to rip onto your pc if you want to enjoy it that way, but you cant copy and paste to someone else's machine, which is totally fair IMO.
Heres another suggestion, why dont you start helping by not downloading from these ftps? Or more so not passing on what you do download and buying what CDs you like. This will help a great deal if people did this, rather than blame the people opening these ftp's and trading anyway, you cant blame the gun shop for you killing someone because they sold it to you, your just passing the blame of your shoulders. That said, im not sticking up for these guys either, but there are more than one solution to these problems, and some are more practical than others. It just requires a little responsibility and respect from people. PLUR isnt it??........ dont just say it, be it.
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monno
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Posted : May 20, 2003 15:07
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well if the artists have signed over the administration of their copyright (in my case coda/ncb) then that organisation has the manpower and financial means to take legal action against copyright violators. so to say that nothing can be done is a bit much and that does not only apply to artists as labels can also join these organisations. the one i am a member of has cooperative deals with similar orgs in about 120 countries. at any rate it can always serve as additional pressure when put in a situation where legal action is considered.
another way which i like even more because of the sheer malice it contains: this should be easy for the right coder: write a virus that specifically wipes out mp3´s or maybe just fries the comp they are on. too harsh would someone say pffff try saying that when it´s your back people are pissing up and down.
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Sputer
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Posted : May 20, 2003 15:10
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traveller, at least remove the ftp address from here 
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nobody_3
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Posted : May 20, 2003 15:17
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monno I have been a member of Koda and NCB for 15 years and trust me when I say that they can do nothing !!!! Yes NCB have to protect your copyright but just picture if they had to sue and shut down every ftp they find..... Even NCB would not be able to do that with their budgets....
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NeutroN
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Posted : May 20, 2003 15:20
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P_Mac, has got a very good ideia (change the format of cds which computers cant read) that is a very valid point, but a bet that in 2 3 months after this change their will be a software that will do this 'dirty' job.
The best way of marketing is the word of month, I didn't know about www.ohn.net and now I know about it, and I bet that some people didn't also know about this and now they do, and they will use this.
This War IMO will never end, it takes a while for us to find a solution, but as soon as we apply it, it seems to apear another 2,3 problems.
At the end of the day, if you care so much about this issue, you shouldn't take part on it and persuade your friends to do the same. But as I said before it is impossible to stop this trading today, people find it easier, convinient and some times 'fun' to do these tradings.
IMO instead of just sueing people who provide this service, people who use this service could be sued and that is not hard, if a trader is sued, he will probably think twice before trading again.
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Panzer
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Posted : May 20, 2003 15:30
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-quote-now i open my ftp client and copy & paste that adress.. okay seems like this guy has a lot of trance albums in mp3.. he's obviously part of the mp3 mafia..
That makes no sense at all...Oth.net....come on, there is no mafia there...Those are small fish without any connection to the real mp3 mafia...Do u really think the mafia needs 'public' ratio FTPs to do their thing...
If organisations like the RIAA can do nothing what can some unorganised bunch of psylabels do? |
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Cyber Punk
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Posted : May 20, 2003 15:30
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NeutroN & P_Mac: Guys, the thing you are talking about coudn't be done, if CD player can play the sound, so it can be ripped... Nothing will help.
May be all the labels(or at least majority) should create a sort of organization that will work only on these issue(copyright ftp's e.t.c.) like BSA in the Hi-Tech.
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : May 20, 2003 17:46
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haha traveller you talk without knowing.
ftps are nothing, a guy can say he is using it for his personal or educational purposes and his ass is saved.
the big deal are the "sites" which are HUGE ftps. the feds are trying real hard to nail them, with little success.
so you think some little label owned by 5 dj's can outdo the fbi?
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patrick
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Posted : May 20, 2003 18:11
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well when labels or artist for that matter think that they fight a war against mp3, then they've already lost.
what war is that against their own customer. one will always fail to stop the hardcore mp3 mafia anyway. but most of the ppl who copy or download do also buy records. so if u use such a thing like viruses and spam (this is already happening in the us afaik) u are pissing of ur own customers... not a very bright idea.
one has to ask why customers dont want to pay for music. this is the central question imo.
to sue ftp servers is just not worth the resources... (sue each other for free lol.. on which planet are u living on?)
i dont have an answer but i think that labels and artist should try to improve the product and do all to reach a high standard in every aspect, so that ppl are willing to pay for a high quality product.
and then when ppl still dont buy....
well maybe eminem is right: Nobody Listen to Techno (anymore..)
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nobody_3
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Posted : May 20, 2003 18:43
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partrick you repeat the same nonsense as all the people that downlaod without buying..... where is your fact that all people that download also buy CD's???? If that was the case we would sell a 1000 times better than we did 4 years ago.....
It's a proven fact that many many more people listen to psy/goa/progressive/ambient than 4 years ago (yes I am aware of that many people found this music via the internet) and if your claim is right then we shoudl have increased sales with something like 500%..... explain to me why we dont sell more !!!!!!!!
And yes we do fight a unfair war against our own costumers whichshould, if they even cared, support the artists - not destroy them !!!!!
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