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A place like Goa?
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muzk
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Posted : Dec 16, 2013 12:05:38
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Nothings ever going to come close to the original North Goa, Anjuna / Vagator psy scene that was going strong till about, I don't know 2004, 2005, 2006? I guess till the 10 PM noise ban that came into effect.
So I'm talking about places that remind you of Goa but purely from a psy culture perspective.
And I'm not talking about places that have the potential to become another Goa, that would be a cool discussion, but just like how you can't recreate another Silicon Valley but you can create another Tech Hub, you can't ever have another Goa.
However, you could have another psy hub. So not just a place that throws festivals a couple of times a year, or a place that has a strong creative community, but that has a lot or all of the necessary ingredients conducive to a psychedelic culture.
And I'm asking about places that actually exist, even if they are super tiny in scale. Although a discussion about places that have the potential to become psy hubs is also welcome.
Sorry for the repetitive and running thoughts. |
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Nectarios
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PoM
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Posted : Dec 16, 2013 15:15
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there is probably some place that are as good but it s good cause none of us know where lol |
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muzk
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Posted : Dec 17, 2013 00:42
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Yes. I heard last season was pretty good after many years. It's still a battle though. The place is so matured / saturated. Everyone wants a piece of it. Sunburn Festival is moving to Anjuna / Vagator this year. And the long term vision is definitely going to be an Indian Ibiza + Thailand + Vegas all in one.  I know it. It has to be. There's no other place for the Indian middle class to get away to, within the country.
Plus, I always like the idea of being somewhere during the actual birth and growth of a scene. So what about places that are in their very early stages of psy awakening? But again, I'm talking about places with a long term, year round scene not just a coming together for the moment kind of a scene.
PoM, start searching buddy. And PM when you hear of something.  |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 17, 2013 02:46
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OzMike
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Posted : Dec 17, 2013 02:49
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Yay! Let's invade another virgin innocent country, abuse their laws, bribe their cops & politicians, misuse their deities & belief system & introduce the wonders of drug & alcohol abuse all so we can pretend to be hippies! How freaking wonderful!
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Upavas
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Posted : Dec 17, 2013 03:43
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On 2013-12-17 02:46, Colin OOOD wrote:
Uruguay is looking good at the moment.
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I was thinking the same. At least in terms of it being a freestate. When I was in Goa, Goa was truly free, something it was not anymore in 94 or thereafter... I would love to find a place on earth that is as free as Goa once was!
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Dec 17, 2013 04:53
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OzMike
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Posted : Dec 17, 2013 05:28
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I just speak from a close friend of my Dad who grew up in Goa as a local Indian from 1958-1986 when he moved to Melbourne.
He despises westerners over there then & now. He says he saw such a beautiful place utterly destroyed by deoraved western hippies.
That's my summary, if you heard him in person talk of it it's enough to make you're heart cry.
Cuntus Maximus. |
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muzk
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Posted : Dec 17, 2013 05:38
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On 2013-12-17 02:49, OzMike wrote:
Yay! Let's invade another virgin innocent country, abuse their laws, bribe their cops & politicians, misuse their deities & belief system & introduce the wonders of drug & alcohol abuse all so we can pretend to be hippies! How freaking wonderful!
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Wrong son! You look at the mistakes made in the past, try to improve and do something better.
That was the first generation of freaks. They were too caught up with their little world and created a lot of side effects in the process.
But it wasn't their job to be perfect. Life is a constant flow of imaginative experience.
I think it's totally possible to have a robust psychedelic culture without posing the threats you mentioned.
And to counter your arguments:
1. No one invaded any virgin innocent country. This wasn't a colonial invasion. It was less than a couple of square miles at most of a largely neglected coastal village.
2. Abusing laws in India, and Goa is a norm. And a lot of those laws are archaic, and written during the colonial era.
3. Bribing cops, and politicians. Lol, ask anyone in India who hasn't done this. And ask them what happens if they don't do this.
4. Misusing deities and belief system. Hinduism has never claimed to be an institutionalized religion with a strict set of rules and gods. It's more of a conglomeration of a multitude of philosophies that are constantly evolving and upgrading. Hindu sects are constantly debating with each other over the relevance or meaning of deities and belief systems. This ain't no Nazi religion boy.
5. Again, if you think that drugs and alcohol weres introduced to a 5000+ year civilization in the 70s and 80s, I don't think you know much about Indian history. These mofos have been tripping balls since the Bonze age foo.
But I definitely agree with you on the last point. Who the hell wants to pretend to be a hippy? All them do is smoke pot and smell bad!
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muzk
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Posted : Dec 17, 2013 05:45
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On 2013-12-17 05:28, OzMike wrote:
I just speak from a close friend of my Dad who grew up in Goa as a local Indian from 1958-1986 when he moved to Melbourne.
He despises westerners over there then & now. He says he saw such a beautiful place utterly destroyed by deoraved western hippies.
That's my summary, if you heard him in person talk of it it's enough to make you're heart cry.
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Are you sure he's not getting mixed up with the mainstream tourists? Like the ones that come in charter flights from, what earlier was primarily the UK, and nowadays is increasingly from Russia? Because it's that massive scale tourism that led to the mushrooming of Hotels and Resorts over beautiful paddy fields, and picturesque hills.
Freaks used to stay in the houses of locals my dude. Who the fuck is going to destroy the environment for some chillum smoking acid heads? They ain't paying Hoteliers, Real Estate Developers, and Tour operators shit!
It's the Western working class, and Indian middle class that is the primary cause of large scale tourism development.
And the only reason why a lot of beauty was destroyed was because of the greed and laziness of the politicians and business community which repeat the same mistakes the world over.
There are more sustainable and environmentally friendly workarounds but no one interested in a quick buck is going to bother with that. |
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OzMike
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Posted : Dec 17, 2013 05:50
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Well there are two sides to every story & I notice that if anybody speaks of those times negatively many come out of the woodwork to say "oh but we were so awesome & respectful it was all ok".
I've heard this many times from elders on travel who were there to believe what you say. But each to their own. The last is often full of only the pleasant thoughts & rarely do we realize or remember the wrong we did.
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muzk
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Posted : Dec 17, 2013 05:52
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Uruguay does sound like a solid option. Now who can tell us something about the current scene there? |
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muzk
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Posted : Dec 17, 2013 05:54
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On 2013-12-17 05:50, OzMike wrote:
Well there are two sides to every story & I notice that if anybody speaks of those times negatively many come out of the woodwork to say "oh but we were so awesome & respectful it was all ok".
I've heard this many times from elders on travel who were there to believe what you say. But each to their own. The last is often full of only the pleasant thoughts & rarely do we realize or remember the wrong we did.
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Sometimes one side of the story is more right than the other side. |
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Upavas
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Posted : Dec 17, 2013 05:55
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He despises westerners over there then & now. He says he saw such a beautiful place utterly destroyed by deoraved western hippies.
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Hang on a minute, we were there in the 80s, and we did not destroy the place, nor did we abuse the local deities, we respected the Konkani people and no party was ever done without their consent, except for one event courtesy of Goa Gil!
He was the one who HAD to do a party in Anjuna the same day an elder died, thus ruining the season in Goa in 89!
In 1990 the Israelis came, pissed all over Shiva temples, fucked things up even more gloriously, and a year later Colva beach became a tourist resort.
That was when Goa got completely ruined. The free spirit was gone, travel agencies such as TUI set up shop, bought the land off the Konkanis for little more than a loaf of bread and then drove them out, ruining their livelihood and making sure the locals did not get a piece of the cake, something that the hippies in the 80s also never did. Charter tourists came in and abused Konkani children sexually, the Konkanis who complained about that were forcibly removed from land that was theirs for many many generations, and soon the Konkani locals wished the old times back with the hippies only, and sorry to say in this forum, without Israelis and charter tourists...
So before you choose to listen to someone who hates hippies, you might want to get the whole story before you accuse them (essentially me and my friends from back then) !
@ Colin, if you're afraid of smoking a joint in public, no need to go to Uruguay, you can do that in downtown Vancouver without getting into trouble. The reason why I picked up on Uruguay, is because from what I have heard (which is by no means a certainty) the country seems to be very open to young people and parties, not just pot!
Upavas - Here And Now (Sangoma Rec.) new EP out Oct.29th, get it here:
http://timecode.bandcamp.com
http://upavas.com
http://soundcloud.com/upavas-1/ |
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