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gandharva
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 04:39
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i just gonna say this and i dont mean to offend no one and damage i respect your work just i like that people respect my and of course that the original tastes better than a copy but i just want to say that downloading is the reality unfortunately or not people have to deal with it
and the fact that people download doesn´t mean that producers low the quality of their music because this is a matter of taste also and i think that every one agree that today there are many producers and labels.i listen to a lot of drum´n´bass to and i dont see this kind of discussions maybe because its a much more small comunity and most of the releases are vinil and those taste even better |
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mafkaroo
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 15:41
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I don't think free mp3s are going to be around indefinitely.
Over the past few years china's computers have been running microsofts OS, which was copied/pirated software. Bill Gates liked the idea of the chinese becoming 'addicted' to the software and at a later date making them pay. Software in the future may have to be rented from big corps via the web.
I could envisage a similar effect with mp3s. Some may consider mp3 trading as a harmless hobby, others as just addictive greed. Since most of the music is made in capitalist countries, I think they will eventually find a way of making us pay, or rent mp3s or music, through the use of technology.
Sure, you can always copy music through analog, your stereo etc (but quality will diminish without bitwise reproduction). But if the mp3s become encrypted or harder to copy, then trading will die down. There will always be ways to combat copy protection, but the amount of effort involved (and the notion that cracking the protection is in effect theft) I think will reduce the amount of mp3 copying. Whats worse is if we have to 'rent' our music over the web.
However I have no idea how far off in the future this may be, if at all. |
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full_on
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 15:55
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if the mp3s become encrypted or harder to copy, then trading will die down.
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I'm no trader, but I'll crack any encryption that come across my way.
If people rip CDs today and share them as mp3, why do you think people will not crack the encryption and share them as mp3 (or any other format)?
Protection from crack does not exist. I never came across a program or hardware or system that is uncrackable. If it's not hackable in software, it will be cracked in hardware. Today, here in Brazil for U$20,00 you can make your DVD Player play movies from any Area.
Face the fact: what one company is trying to protected, thousands of people are willing to crack. Including the people who designed the protection system.
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_Vanessa_
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 16:16
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it is all about evolution...
lets talk about capitalism 
can u imagine a different sistem where no money is necessary? yey, money is always the problem... |
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mafkaroo
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 16:18
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If people rip CDs today and share them as mp3, why do you think people will not crack the encryption and share them as mp3 (or any other format)?
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Laziness  ! (Do I have to chip my motherboard in order to download and play a few trance mp3s, I may as well go and buy the CD).
There is a big difference between purchasing/obtaining/writing software to crack encryption and just pointing your mouse and clicking copy. Currently an mp3 is treated as a file, and can be copied as such. |
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_Vanessa_
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 16:54
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ok I continue, make me laugh please...
Can you imagine the world without capitalism?
Answer: yes people wouldn't make music for money
now... Can you imagine the world in 500 years from now without capitalism?
Answer: no, what other reason someone would imagine a software for MP3s, if it was no money problems?
twisted yeah?, who invented the capitalis, said nothing would be free, and the others said, yes yes good idea.
No I am not angry I am nervous, does anyone have some nice music to give to me please? I am not downloading, HA, PM me if u do |
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full_on
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 21:24
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If people rip CDs today and share them as mp3, why do you think people will not crack the encryption and share them as mp3 (or any other format)?
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Laziness ! (Do I have to chip my motherboard in order to download and play a few trance mp3s, I may as well go and buy the CD).
There is a big difference between purchasing/obtaining/writing software to crack encryption and just pointing your mouse and clicking copy. Currently an mp3 is treated as a file, and can be copied as such.
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You will keep downloading one file (or album) per click, there's already specialized people who do what you would call "hard work" (getting the source, cracking it, repacking it as mp3, scanning the covers, etc), so that guys like you (the lazy ones  ) can listen to music (or use ANY software) for free. I'm not saying what this guys are doing is right (in fact, I don't believe in wrong and right). These people have an ideology completely different as the one endorsed by the guidelines of this forum.
This kind of people have as much pleasure in cracking it as you have in listening your music.
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EYB
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 22:19
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traveller
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 22:32
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if you aren't even paying for it don't fucking bitch about it
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traveller
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Posted : Feb 15, 2005 22:51
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ever thought this isn't your genre? i mean if you can't find a single good track out of a hundred maybe you should look somewhere else. dnb or something..
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Ott^
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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 07:10
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I've lost count of the number of people who have come up to me at parties and proudly told me they loved my album so much they just had to download it @ 320k quality "cos it loses so much @ 128k..."
As if I'm supposed to feel flattered.
Fucking thing took me 12 months to make - you'd think that if they like it so much, at least they might help me out with a few quid for my trouble - you know?
To answer the original question - ganjagil, if you're downloading 100 tracks a week and they all sound shit, I'd suggest you stop masturbating for ten minutes and consider finding yourself a new hobby.
Knitting perhaps?
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furthur
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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 07:38
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On 2005-02-16 07:10, Ott^ wrote:
consider finding yourself a new hobby.
Knitting perhaps?
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HandA
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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 08:32
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On 2005-02-16 07:10, Ott^ wrote:
I've lost count of the number of people who have come up to me at parties and proudly told me they loved my album so much they just had to download it @ 320k quality "cos it loses so much @ 128k..."
As if I'm supposed to feel flattered.
Fucking thing took me 12 months to make - you'd think that if they like it so much, at least they might help me out with a few quid for my trouble - you know?
To answer the original question - ganjagil, if you're downloading 100 tracks a week and they all sound shit, I'd suggest you stop masturbating for ten minutes and consider finding yourself a new hobby.
Knitting perhaps?
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Hi mate-
Now be prepared to be flamed. Artists are not surposed to make money out of their music you know. It's art and you should be happy that people like your music. Don'tbe so greedy - (all irony - for those that did not get it)
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Yuli
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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 08:57
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Knitting perhaps? |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 16, 2005 12:33
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On 2005-02-16 07:10, Ott^ wrote:
Fucking thing took me 12 months to make - you'd think that if they like it so much, at least they might help me out with a few quid for my trouble - you know?
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Do you really get "a few quid" per sold copy??
That would be a truely amazing deal you have.
It's normally more like that you would have gotten a few pence if the person spend quite many quid on buying your CD.
When I spend time on the music and finally get some miniscule payments it pisses me off more that the distributor earn more per CD than me, that the shop earn more per CD than me and that the label earn the same as me.
I feel there is no comparasion to the effort I put in and what the different layers inbetween me and the customer have been doing.
So if someone feel it's ridicoulos to pay what they have to pay for a CD in the shop on the basis on trying to help the artist I can understand that.
Especially when the free services provided is a lot more in tune with my reality and much more convenient than what the industry that take such a large share of the money can provide.
If you prefer to look for scapegoats on why you don't get enough money on sitting doing what you think is fun, then look at the industry instead of your fans.
The fans behaviour will not change because of winching, but by a conscious effort from the people who should sell your music to provide a better service.
And your income might also change because of a more just deal and less unnecessary links between you and the consumers.
Fans cannot ripp you off, but labels, distributors, royalty organisations and shops do it systematically and earn money on it.
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