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EYB
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 14:22
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On 2005-02-17 14:02, HandA wrote:
EYB you seem more and more deluted. Enjouy your massive mp3 collection dude.
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No HandA
I have the feeling that i am enlighted, if i read some stuff here. Enlighted by love. So people don't feel offended by me, i just want to share my point of view.
For me our scene is a place of love and of sharing. Sharing love, emotions and knowledge. At party i would share my last water with stranger people, i would give away my last cigarette (ok i stopped smoking). I give away my music for free, i want see people happy. Yes lot of people will always take every chance to take, but if u show them the light of love the will change and if we all change only one person the world will be live in love and freedom faster than we can imagine.
I think internet and p2p is very important for the development of the human being. Stop thinking about ur money, our scene is the start point. If u need/want to make money with ur producer abilities make something for tv or pop music, something in the big buissness, but don't bring bad vibes into our scene. Remember the good parties, the nice feeling of trance and unity and tranport it in ur daily view live and to this problem u got with p2p.
It is hard to change the world, so it is hard to change people not to download, so better start with the important problems we got. HIV for example. I don't want to give more examples, but our planet got a lot of problems that are really bad so take ur love/energy and go and help where u can, maybe it is enough to love the people u meet.
Spreed love
Peace and love
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HandA
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 14:29
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On 2005-02-17 14:22, EYB wrote:
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On 2005-02-17 14:02, HandA wrote:
EYB you seem more and more deluted. Enjouy your massive mp3 collection dude.
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No HandA
I have the feeling that i am enlighted, if i read some stuff here. Enlighted by love. So people don't feel offended by me, i just want to share my point of view.
For me our scene is a place of love and of sharing. Sharing love, emotions and knowledge. At party i would share my last water with stranger people, i would give away my last cigarette (ok i stopped smoking). I give away my music for free, i want see people happy. Yes lot of people will always take every chance to take, but if u show them the light of love the will change and if we all change only one person the world will be live in love and freedom faster than we can imagine.
I think internet and p2p is very important for the development of the human being. Stop thinking about ur money, our scene is the start point. If u need/want to make money with ur producer abilities make something for tv or pop music, something in the big buissness, but don't bring bad vibes into our scene. Remember the good parties, the nice feeling of trance and unity and tranport it in ur daily view live and to this problem u got with p2p.
It is hard to change the world, so it is hard to change people not to download, so better start with the important problems we got. HIV for example. I don't want to give more examples, but our planet got a lot of problems that are really bad so take ur love/energy and go and help where u can, maybe it is enough to love the people u meet.
Spreed love
Peace and love
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Please cut down on all those "love" drugs mate. Some day you'll have a hard awakening and realise that there's as little love, peace and unity in the trance scene as everywhere else... It's all illusions caused by way too much drug abuse!
But hey I can easily understand why people steal music.. They need the money to stay in their Pink "cloud" world of drug abuse and pseudo PLUR  |
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pr0fane
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 14:30
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A little reminder:
I think this thread is getting a bit too personal and over the line (and I’m NOT referring to anyone in particular) – unfortunately like so many other MP3-threads in the past. It’s been a quite interesting topic so far, so it would be sad if I’d had to start deleting posts because of flaming or going off topic. Feel free to speak your mind, but please try to be more polite and respect the guidelines of the forum – even though the trading-issue is very serious.
Now, carry on with the discussion 
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HandA
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 14:32
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On 2005-02-17 14:30, pr0fane wrote:
A little reminder:
I think this thread is getting a bit too personal and over the line (and I’m NOT referring to anyone in particular) – unfortunately like so many other MP3-threads in the past. It’s been a quite interesting topic so far, so it would be sad if I’d had to start deleting posts because of flaming or going off topic. Feel free to speak your mind, but please try to be more polite and respect the guidelines of the forum – even though the trading-issue is very serious.
Now, carry on with the discussion
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Profance I agree but I also think there's a a time where the artists have every right to become personal and tell people off. That time comes when people piss them up the back and redicule them! After all it's their work and indeed "property" that get stolen. |
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Fingax
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 14:36
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On 2005-02-12 15:37, ganjagil wrote:
We are downloading 50 to 100 tracks a week every evening of our life is spent listening to junk shit which is called trance today! Nothing is new it's all fuckin the same! Maybe sometimes we come across something good but still no fresh sounds were are the new artists?????? Were is the music'????
And on the other hand i congatulate the ambient side! WOWOWOWOWOW really good work there it's heaven!
I do not want to make a thread of this because it's all for nothing it's not cool to be trance anymore because it's a trend now!
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Ganjagil.
with all my respect to u... i dont like to see that... too many downloads... its this piracy that is killing the scene...
Thats no surprise anymore cause you are constantly updating your music, but the artists aren't updating as u would like cause ppl like u just dont give a cheat to what the artists gave to make that track that u simply download and say its crap..
First of all i never would say that some music is cheat just because i doint like it.. so i dont liek britney as weell so should i say her music is cheat? what about her milion fans? come on..
start buying music. is every ppl in the planet buy 1 cd per week or per month the all scene will be much bigger, better and with more quality , only if u ppl help to raise the standard actual scene traders..
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 14:37
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On 2005-02-17 14:08, EYB wrote:
Psytrance must be done for love to give love to the people. It is all about love and not money.
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Then they should register to some common licenses, shouldn't they ? And give up the "all rights reserved" of traditional copyright to accept a voluntary "some rights reserved" copyright.
But what makes me smile is the fact that you focus that much on "Psytrance"... So reggae musicians are not concerned ? Hiphopers ? Rockers ? Polka performers ? and all the others ?
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Photographers take picture for love to give beautiful pictures to the people, and get paid for it..
Painters handle their brushes for love to give beautiful colours and layouts to the people, and get paid for it..
Designers handle their Pantone for love to give beautiful and useful objects to the people, and get paid for it..
Graphic designers handle their pens and mouse for love to spread the most unique communication to the people, and get paid for it..
Sculptors handle their hammers and etcher's needles for love to get a shape out of their raw material, and get paid for it..
How many other examples.. I just don't see why Psytrance composers should be an exception..
Even the sadhus in India get paid for being sadhus.. maybe not with dollars, but with all they need to live their chosen-existence...
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EYB
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 14:40
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@HandA
I do drugs not very often, for example i stopped smoking all stuff, stopped drining coffee and alcohol. I never was a friend of 'lying' drugs like coka and mdma. From time to time i take some acid, i didn't take it now two years, but a little bit this weekend. So i am not a drug user and i know our scene isn't special in anyway. I meet lot of nice people and good people everyday that don't even know what psytrance is. So there are u absoltly right. But isn't it on of our goals to get a planet with some less problems? Yes it is.
For this lot of people need to change their minds, and i think the free avaibleness of information through internet (including music) will change the min of the people. And i hope it will change most minds in a positive way. I hope u understand what i want to say.
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HandA
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 14:45
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@HandA
I do drugs not very often, for example i stopped smoking all stuff, stopped drining coffee and alcohol. I never was a friend of 'lying' drugs like coka and mdma. From time to time i take some acid, i didn't take it now two years, but a little bit this weekend. So i am not a drug user and i know our scene isn't special in anyway. I meet lot of nice people and good people everyday that don't even know what psytrance is. So there are u absoltly right. But isn't it on of our goals to get a planet with some less problems? Yes it is.
For this lot of people need to change their minds, and i think the free avaibleness of information through internet (including music) will change the min of the people. And i hope it will change most minds in a positive way. I hope u understand what i want to say.
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Dear EYB I hardly think the psy/Full On scene can change a damn thing about the world.. Why? because this scene is so afraid about getting involved in Political issues. This scene is about having fun and dance and do a lot of drugs... How is that going to change the world when most people are so stoned out of their heads?
Since I entered the scene around 11 years ago I have heard the same song over and over again. heck I even believed it myself (under influence of drugs).
We will change the world ect. ect.
Newsflash... Nothing have changed and nothing will be changed coming from our little Utopia
The only things that have changed is the music and the fact that more people have entered the scene and that drug use(abuse) have never been higher (due to the many more people in the scene).
And yes there's been ONE big change too. More people listen to the music today but less people buy the music today
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 14:47
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the solution for the labels who is losing money is stop running the label and find something else to make money. The people who download are not the people to blame, if someone feel they have to blame someone for this, blame the evolution of technology and be the jerk. I have a very f****ng difficult life, and I am not w******ng at people who sympathises with me. That is so cruel, don't u see the level of creulty blaming people for drink the water from the fountain when they are thirsty.
I know it must be difficult, but then again... who here have changed their very serious succeful bussiness for extra time to make music and run a label? Don't you just get to do it and see what is going to happen? I think it is an absurd get people to truly love your music then stick a fork agaist their chest . THE PEOPLE ARE NOT THE ONE TO BLAME FOR DOWLADING FACILITIES, the changes that was increased by technology are
gosh lemme stop it here... I said the same thing in different words three times |
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HandA
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 14:54
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On 2005-02-17 14:47, _Vanessa_ wrote:
the solution for the labels who is losing money is stop running the label and find something else to make money. The people who download are not the people to blame, if someone fell they have to blame someone for this, blame the evolution of technology and be the jerk. I have a very fuckin difficult life, and I am not w******ng at people who sympathises with me. That is so cruel, don't u see the level of creulty blaming people for drink the water from the fontain.
I know it must be difficult, but then again... who here have changed their very serious succeful bussiness for extra time to make music and run a label? Don't you just get to do it and see what is going to happen? I think it is an absurd get people to truly love your music then stick a fork agaist their chest. THE PEOPLE ARE NOT THE ONE TO BLAME FOR DOWLADING FACILITIES, the changes that was increased by technology are
gosh lemme stop it here... I said the same thing in different words three times
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LOL you crack me up now... The people that download the music are not to blame? So someone forced them to clik their mouse and start the downloads? And someone forced them to get p2p programs and go to ftp's?
Again a person that choose to put all the blame and guilt on the labels and artists... You sure respect those that bring you the music to your sacred parties don't you dear?
So I ask you. If we changed the way we make music today and the way we distribute it and sell it very cheap. Would that make people buy the music when they still can get it for free? Maybe I am naive but I say NO !
Oh and if your "model" should be implemented then most labels should close down tomorrow causing the scene dryed out from any new music! I agree that there's many labels that should not have started up at all but there's quite a few labels out there that do a very good job... All they need is that people stop stealing their products then they will be very solid financially!
It's exactly like the whole issue about copy-products flooding the Markets from China ect. eventually closing down 10.000's of small, medium and big companies worldwide causing even more unemployment.
Do you also support those copy-products and buy them?
And is it also wrong that Gouvernments and those Companies try to catch the copycat's and try to prevent more unemployment?
Ring a Bell? or are you so caught up in your pseudo world of peace, Love and mp3 sharing? |
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 14:54
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That is so cruel, don't u see the level of creulty blaming people for drink the water from the fontain when they are thirsty. |
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Ehmmm... VanesSa, the fontain has been built with public funds.. That makes a world if you ask me..
The musicians didn't get their instruments, computers, software and/or hardware material with public fund but with their own..
Don't forget that, they didn't wake up a sunshiny morning, finding a boombastic studio in their room, and finding themselves genious composers at the first time they switched that studio on..
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 15:13
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"Don't forget that, they didn't wake up a sunshiny morning, finding a boombastic studio in their room, and finding themselves genious composers at the first time they switched that studio on.. "
ye but, don't forget that they already had instruments, virtual or not, to make music before sending it to any label..and you don't get talent from your sales...i think.
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 15:16
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for the people against downloading and all:
Do you guys think that whining and complaining will change one single bit? Do you really think it is in any way possible that downloading stops?
at handa:
You talk about how eyb is so utopic and how he should live in the real world.. You think YOU are living in the real world thinking that people will stop downloading?!
Downloading has advantages and disadvantages, thats pretty obvious... Now, it will not stop, thats pretty obvious too...
This scene is underground, and is not the norm to make a living out of making music.. Thats also pretty obvious..
If somebody read my Nasrudin story, I guess that summed up a good point.. Since downloading will not stop, what can the people who are in the ´disadvantage´ side do(It seems some artists and labels consider themselves to be in this side)? Have those people tried EVERYTHING there is to try before complaining?
I dont think so.. I always see labels doing the same.. Another label opens up, and follows the same as all the rest... You think God will pick you out of the crowd and say: ´hey, he is doing exactly the same as all the others, but Im gonna pick him and make him win a lot of money´ ?
Nah, most likely this wont happen... |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 15:27
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Love and giving is bad.
It a "disillusion" induced by drugs.
Reality is hard work 12hrs a day, not enough money and people trying to "take" from you all the time.
You have to make sure you take more, give less and threat and intimidate anyone you cannot understand or agree with you.
Unfortunally some people forget that if experimenting with certain drugs.
But thats BAD, since drugs is BAD.
I changed my mind on this issue now, I think I will stop with this "boom shankar" and "love".
It's not realistic.
Really, screw you all you stupid and evil trance people and give me all your money.
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Posted : Feb 17, 2005 15:29
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The musicians didn't get their instruments, computers, software and/or hardware material with public fund but with their own..
Don't forget that, they didn't wake up a sunshiny morning, finding a boombastic studio in their room, and finding themselves genious composers at the first time they switched that studio on..
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I know what u mean
but there is the hard side of the listeners aswell doens't it? It is not only music that is been affected by all these falicilities going on.
If you can buy your food for internet for exemplo, there will be no need for an attendant or a cash, or door security, and it will still be other ways of adapting for the sistem,...
Unfortunately with Mp3s the thing is quiet different, but that is to do with compulsive obsession about music and the non wealthy instability of the same peeps. It all help to sit at home and try to feel good with some tune, that internet will provide.
That is the reality, there is no one with the massive amount to buy all the realises they want to listen to, if these compulsived absessed people had that money, (this is all I think), they would try to support the artist by organizing parties to them.
It is like I said, there was a time in my life I desparatly wanted to make music, it was the thing I wanted to do for love and for the rest of my life, I didn't get the chance, didn't have the money for all the things necessary, and didn't have the time as I have to work to survive.
I never complaint about anything, and never pointed at anyone blaming them for my miserable situation.
That is LiFe... accusing people of stealing their music as if they were getting into their home and taking it without permission is mad.
I wonder if this thesame people lost interest on the artists, who they would have to blame, and who would book them to play as no-one would care about them. *I made my own music and influenced myself not to care about them, only because I understand that I can't afford, but I wished lucky to them, may someone in better sittuation can start to like their music and support them.*
Face the reality, when u run a bussiness and it is not paying for your leaving, u know what to do, these happens all the time everywhere.
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