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Posted : Mar 11, 2009 09:10
I actually lean towards the idea that it’s not so much technology that is going to save us, but instead genuine spiritual growth and awakening, otherwise we will just destroy ourselves with the technology.
And I agree with a lot of Gopendras ideas about the power we have inside and how that is what is THE MOST IMPORTANT. As I see it the physical world we experience is in great part just a reflection of our inner world, so if we want to change the world outside we need to change within. Otherwise we will get rid of one problem in the physical world but it will resurface again in some other form because it’s really just a symptom of a problem in our collective psyche. So IMO, if we genuinely awaken from within, it will be automatically reflected outside in everything: our thoughts will be different, our actions will be different, how we treat and relate to others will be different, even what we eat will start to change, we will be creating something very different in this precious living world. You will be acquiring a deeper sensitivity and connection to everything and like a mushroom trip, you will see the world transfigured in a new dimension where you have more tools to truly change things for the better.
And I think that the financial imprisonment of humanity goes hand in hand with the spiritual imprisonment of humanity. Because we are kept trapped in fear through religion and at the same time we are spiritually dumbed down and almost paralyzed through a materialistic reward system devoid of any soul and heart. And we can not rise above this because we have been educated and basically programmed to identify with a very denigrated vision of ourselves and humanity. Everyday we are bombarded with the idea that money is what we should aspire for- this is repeated to us in every possible way imaginable to the point that as a human family we now completely identify with this very bleak, belittled and false sense of who we are.
And of course this works perfectly for those in power because it’s the perfect mindset to keep us in chains. I mean somebody that does not think much of himself and actually identifies with the prison cell as its own home and sees that as its destiny will never rise to claim its freedom. And I think this is a KEY point in breaking this annoying “matrix” from hell. We have to understand that our spirit has been broken down, our souls buried and its value falsely minimized to the point that we have forgotten about it and with that our self esteem is in the dumpster, and thus we can only envision blindly chasing after money to make ourselves feel important and we can only envision a world run by greed, wars and all the shit that is to our detriment. There is no unity and love ruling this planet and we have accepted this limitation on our planet as something normal. But really, we should be crazy to accept this as normal. You know? Yeah the mountain may look too big to climb but only because our self esteem has been lowered so much. So be careful with what you identify with because you could be an all powerful wizard creating this world with all you believe about it. Remember that we can not solve this problem with the same level of consciousness that put us where we are at now.
So we have to become aware and rise above all the negative associations we have about ourselves to regain that infinite sense of self worth, self love and power as individuals and as a human family. If it’s really in us and if its really our true heritage as free spiritual beings then we should not accept anything less. Why should we if that is the gift of this universe to us? Anybody that wants to make you small and tell you that the mountain is to high maybe is manipulating you or has been manipulated, which is probably the case most often. Because the truth is once we buy into all the BS that is fed to us, we at that moment also become the police and this “conspiracy” itself.
So we have to rise above it with a new vision of ourselves and humanity. You know reach in there and find the most beautiful thing you can imagine beyond everything you have been taught and radiate that everywhere with all your love as your new vision of this world.
You know, if we really believed and loved ourselves, we simply would not take this shit economic system. If we really thought high of ourselves we would not allow money to manipulate us so much. Money would not be so powerful if we really had a high sense of love and freedom about ourselves. We would just not sell ourselves cheap because we would understand than we are woth more than that. WE ARE WORTH MORE THAN THAT. And that forgotten secret is what we need to awaken in ourselves again so we can connect with that higher vision of ourselves which will ultimately make us free.
Then we won’t feel so powerless and so little, and the big bad wolf won’t seem as scary either.
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Posted : Mar 11, 2009 10:07
Wat zeitgeist fails to show, is how money is manipulated, Check another docu "The money masters" that one whos thing you didnt know about who, how and when money supply is manipulated which is the only thing that matters.
The power comes not from money but form the power to create it and control its supply.
Any other "manipulation" or "conspiracy" (media, religion, other comodities prices) is just the kids game of powerfull people.
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Posted : Mar 11, 2009 18:51
aluxe, i completely agree with you, but i also think that aswel as awakening our spiritual side as a collective we need to do as much as possible in the mean time. i know what you mean about destroying ourselves with technology aswel, but i think that will only happen with the invention of AI, so we jsut need to steer clear of that. and if we manage to usher in an age where technology does all the jobs that need doing then we'll have much more time to find our spiritual selves without having to work mindless jobs.
and login, someone recommended me that one, still to watch it, ill get on it soon.
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Check this article, it explains how the dishonest money system actually works in an easy way:
Funny Money
FEW TOPICS OCCUPY as many minds or stimulate as many emotions as money. This is largely because money is an overwhelming problem to a majority of people. One thing which causes modern money to be a problem is inflation, whether inflation is climbing at 3% annually or 300%. Inflation, of course, is the situation in which the costs of goods and services steadily rise due to the ever-decreasing value of money. This happens when the money supply becomes larger in proportion to the supply of valuable goods and services.
Money itself is not valuable; only the goods and services that can be bought with it are. The wealth of any individual or nation, therefore, is ultimately determined by what it produces in terms of valuable products and services, not by how much money it prints, distributes or holds. A nation could actually survive without any currency at all as long as it was otherwise productive.
The purpose of money is to facilitate the exchange of goods and services. Money is therefore an extension of the barter system. Barter is the act of trading something one possesses or does for something of someone else’s. Production and barter are the bases of all economy.
Coins and paper money were originally created to assist in barter. They allowed people to barter without having to carry around actual goods or immediately deliver a service. This permitted individuals to trade more easily and to save the profits of their labors for the future.
Paper money initially began as “promissory notes.” A promissory note is a written promise to pay a debt. A person would write a note on a piece of paper promising the bearer of the note a certain quantity of goods or services that the note writer could provide on demand.
To illustrate, let us look at the following fictitious example:
Let us pretend that a chicken farmer was in the village market and wanted to trade for a basket of apples. He did not have his chickens with him, so he might write a note to the apple seller entitling the bearer of the note to come up to the farm at any time to pick out two healthy chickens. The chicken farmer would be able to walk away with his basket of apples and it would be up to the apple grower to visit the farm one day to redeem the note by getting his two chickens. As long as people have faith in the chicken farmer’s ability to honor his notes, he will be able to use them for barter.
Let us now pretend that as the day draws to a close, the apple grower decides to have a look around the market. He comes across the cloth merchant. The apple grower’s wife has been henpecking him for days to buy some of the new silk that just arrived on a caravan from the Far East. The apple grower’s home life has been made miserable by her unceasing demands and her denial of wifely comforts, so he negotiates with the cloth merchant for some silk.
The cloth merchant, however, does not need any more apples, so the apple grower, remembering that he has a note for two chickens, asks the merchant if the merchant needs poultry. The merchant says that he does, and the apple grower gives him the note for two chickens in exchange for silk. It is now up to the cloth merchant to trudge on up to the chicken farm to redeem the note. The chickens themselves have never left the coop, yet they have changed ownership twice in one day. This type of exchange was all that paper money was initially created for; but do you seethe temptation that it can open up?
If the chicken farmer knows that some time will pass before he must redeem his notes with actual chickens, or that some if his notes will circulate forever and never come in for redemption, he may be tempted to issue more notes than he has in actual chickens, thinking that he will be able to cover all the notes by the time they come back to him.
Temptation now gets the best of the chicken farmer.
The chicken farmer has a big family get-together coming up and he wants to impress his in-laws for once by putting on an opulent feast. Down to the market he goes where he writes notes for chickens not yet hatched and stocks up with an abundance of goods from other merchants. Several things can now happen. The chicken farmer will get away with it if he is always able to meet the demand for chickens when his notes come in for redemption. Another thing that may, and often will, occur is that he has so saturated the marketplace with his chicken notes that most people just do not want any more of them, so he must offer even more hens for each trade to make people feel that it is worth their while.
He is now writing notes for two or three chickens in exchange for items for which he previously only had to issue single-chicken notes. As these chicken notes circulate, they become less and less valuable because there are so many of them. A vicious spiral ensues: the more notes the chicken farmer issues, the less valuable they become, and the more he has to issue in order to get what he wants. This is known as inflation.
Now comes the worst part.
With more and more notes outstanding, an increasing number of notes will start coming in for redemption. Soon the farmer will see that his true wealth, which is his supply of chickens, is becoming rapidly depleted even though only a small portion of his outstanding notes have come back. To preserve his chickens, he must decrease the value of his notes by declaring that the outstanding notes are now only good for half of what they say. This is called devaluation.
Since the farmer may find it difficult to admit that he had issued many more notes than he had chickens, he may try to save his reputation by lying, such as by saying that a fierce chicken plague had wiped out half of his flock. That will probably not prevent him from becoming very unpopular. Public faith in his notes will be destroyed. He will either have to revert back to straight barter, or else he will need to acquire someone else’s notes in order to continue trading in the market.
As we can see, paper notes, or money, are rooted in actual commodities and are meant to be an expression that the creator of the notes has something valuable to trade.
In contrast to notes are coins, which functioned somewhat differently. Metals have always been considered valuable, and so pieces of metal were convenient trading tools. Metal pieces were imprinted with various designs, thereby becoming coins, and their metallic purity was guaranteed by the imprinter. Coin values were initially determined by the quantity and purity of the metal contained within the coins. Gold was a rare and popular metal, so coins made from gold were more expensive and had a higher barter value than, for instance, copper coins.
Metal coins became a popular tool of barter because they were durable and quantities could be controlled. They did create some problems, however. Realistically, people were only trading pieces of metal for other goods. This created a disproportionate emphasis on metals. The acquisition of coins and coin metals became an obsession to a great many people, and such obsessions tend to drain away energy better spent producing other valuable goods and services. The system also gave a disproportionate amount of power to those who possessed large quantities of coined metals, even though other commodities, such as food, are ultimately more valuable. The person with the coin metals could immediately acquire any good or service, but a farmer first had to go through the intermediate step of exchanging his product for a coin or coin metal before he could have the same spending flexibility.
Coin metals merged with paper notes to create the foundation of our modern monetary system in the 1600’s. Those who laid this foundation were reportedly the goldsmiths. Goldsmiths usually owned the strongest safes and lockboxes in town. For this reason, many people deposited their coin metals with the smiths for safekeeping. The smiths issued receipts to the depositors that promised to pay to the receipt holders on demand those quantities of gold or silver shown on the receipts. Every such receipt was actually a note which could be circulated as money until a holder of the note went back to the goldsmith to redeem it for the specified amount of metal.
The goldsmiths made an important discovery. Under normal circumstances, only about 10% to 20% of their receipts ever came back for redemption at any given time. The rest circulated in the community as money, and for good reason. Paper was easier to carry than bulky coin and people felt safer holding receipts in lieu of actual gold and silver. The smiths realized that they could lend out the unredeemed metals and charge interest, and thereby earn money as lenders. In making such a loan, however, the smith would try to convince the borrower to accept the loan in the form of a receipt instead of actual metal. The borrower could then circulate that note as money.
As we can see, the goldsmith has now created “money” (his receipts) for double the actual quantity of metal he has in his safe: first to the original depositor, and then to a borrower. The goldsmith did not even own the metal in his safe, yet by simply writing upon a piece of paper, someone now owes him money up to the full value of the gold in his safe. The smith could continue writing his notes as long as the notes coming in for redemption did not exceed his actual deposits of precious metals. Typically, a smith would issue notes four to five times in excess of his actual supply of gold.
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continuation of above article...
As profitable as this operation may have been, there were some pitfalls. If too many of the goldsmith’s notes came back for redemption too rapidly, or the smith’s borrowers were slow to repay, the smith would be wiped out. The credibility of his notes would be destroyed. If the smith ran his operation cautiously, however, he could become quite wealthy without ever producing anything of value.
The injustice of this system is obvious. If for every sack of gold the smith had on deposit people now owed him the equivalent of four sacks, someone had to lose. As public debt to the goldsmith increased, more and more true wealth and resources were owed to him. Since the goldsmith was not producing any true wealth or resources, but was demanding an ever-increasing share of them because of his paper notes, he easily became a parasite upon the economy. The inevitable result was the enrichment of the careful goldsmith-turned-banker at the cost of the impoverishment of other people in the community.
That impoverishment was manifested either in the people’s need to give up things of value or in their need to toil longer to create the wealth needed to repay the banker. If the goldsmith was not careful and his monetary bubble burst, the people around him suffered anyway due to the disruption caused by the collapse of his bank and the loss of the value of his notes still in circulation.
Such was the birth of modern banking. Many people feel that it is an inherently dishonest system. It is. It is also socially and economically destabilizing, yet all of the world’s major monetary and banking systems today operate on a close variation of the system I just described.
By the 17th century, the Medici banking house of Italy had come up with the idea of using gold as the commodity upon which to base all paper currency. Gold was touted as the perfect basis for paper notes because of the scarcity and desirability of gold. This was the beginning of the “gold standard” in which all other goods and services are valued in relation to gold (and sometimes silver).
The gold standard was certainly a terrific idea for those people who owned plenty of gold and silver, but it created an artificial reliance on a commodity that is not nearly as useful as many other products. To base an entire monetary system on a single commodity is better than basing it upon no commodities at all, but even under a gold standard paper notes will far exceed the metals used to back the notes. The best solution is to root a money supply firmly in a nation’s entire valuable output so that the money acts as an accurate reflection of that output.
Once the gold standard was created, paper notes were thought to be “as good as gold” because people could redeem the notes for actual gold. This created a false sense of security. As more and more gold notes entered the market, they gradually became worth less and less, resulting in a steady inflation. The gold owners/bankers had to keep issuing a constant stream of notes because that is how they earned their profits.
As long as the bankers planned carefully and the people retained faith in the notes, the note writers could stay ahead of the inevitable inflation they created and make an enormous profit from it. If, on the other hand, they issued an overabundance and too many of their notes came back for redemption, they could, as a last resort, devalue the notes to save their gold. In this fashion, inflatable paper money, even under a gold standard, became a source of wealth and power to those entitled to create the money. It also generated indebtedness on an enormous scale because most of the “created-out-of-nothing” gold notes were released into the community as loans repayable to the bankers. If people did not borrow from the bankers, little new money would enter the market and the economy would slow down.
This method of creating money clearly destroyed the true purpose of money: to represent the existence of actual tradable commodities. Inflatable paper money allows a handful of people to absorb and manipulate a great deal of true wealth, which are the valuable goods and services people produce, simply through the act of printing paper and then slowly destroying the value of that paper with inflation. It causes money to become its own commodity which can be manipulated on its own terms, usually to the detriment of the production-and-barter system. Money was meant to assist that system, not to dominate and control it.
The inflatable paper money system described above was the new “science” of money being installed by Brotherhood revolutionaries. An early version of the system was established in Holland in 1609. That was the year in which Dutch and Spanish forces signed a truce suspending the hostilities of the Eighty Years War. The truce marked the birth of the independent Dutch Republic and the founding of the Bank of Amsterdam in the same year.
The privately-owned Bank of Amsterdam operated on the inflatable paper money system described above. It was run by a group of financiers who pooled some of their precious metals to form the asset base of the Bank. By prior agreement with the new Dutch government, the Bank helped Dutch forces resume the wars against Spain by issuing notes four times in excess of the Bank’s asset base. The Dutch magistrates were then able to draw on three quarters of the “created-out-of-nothing” money to finance the conflict.
This reveals the primary reason why the inflatable paper money system was created: it enables nations to fight and prolong their wars. It also makes the human struggle for physical existence in a modern economy more difficult due to the massive debt and parasitic absorption of wealth that the system causes. Furthermore, steady inflation reduces the value of people’s money so that their accumulated weal this gradually eroded.
The initial success of the Bank of Amsterdam encouraged similar banking arrangements in other nations. The most notable offspring was the Bank of England, founded in1694. The Bank of England established the pattern for our modern-day central banks by refining the inflatable paper money system of Holland. The Bank of England system was subsequently spread from nation to nation, often on the backs of revolutions led by prominent Brotherhood network members.
the above article is from this VERY INTERESTING book:
The above article is part of William Bradleys book which you can read online, the Gods of Eden (which talks about a lot of conspiracy things, its in english and spanish):
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thankyou very much oggabogga and aluxe, interesting stuff, will check it our propperly tomorow! ta
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Posted : Mar 12, 2009 02:20
wow oggabogga, great stuff.
You know I think the first Zeitgeist movie should have just concentrated on the financial control mechanisms and not included all the part about Jesus and the Sun because a lot of people will be turned off by that (regardless of weather it has any truth in it). Its better to concentrate on what can be understood and proven today like exposing the dishonest financial system.
But regardless, I think this is IMPORTANT stuff that everyone should be looking into.
I think if enough people become aware of this issues then we can reach critical mass for things to finally change.
And that Venus page is COOL, awesome models. Very inspiring.
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hey Aluxe great explanation about money, totally agree, welll there are some details but in the overall I agree.
I made a topic about the docu The Masters of Money which explain all that you wrote and more, specially the history of USA federal reserve, and how we can rid of the problem of money being manipulated.
Its a little bit long but I think it deserves more attention than zeitgeist as it explains the more real, biggest and dangerous problem out there.
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Really good and interesting Aluxe,bravo!
Watch this is the antizeitgeist...
We can clearly see that the first part have some wrong information...this man probably belongs to Christian religion,but this man dont have a clue about esoterism,and sees everything historically,by seeing everything only like as a historical fact that happend in the past is wrong,because we can not be sure about the historical dates and where they took place.What is more important is the esoteric symbolic meaning of the Christ and the Cosmic Drama.
As kameleonpangea36 very well said gnostics chased and killed wild from the false christians,and the deeper meaning of Christianity is covered and almost completely changed...zeitgeist reffers gnostics as heretics,but in the end who is the heretic here?
Zeitgeist see the Christ in all religions but as a conspiracy,Esoteric Cristianity see the Cosmic principle of Christ everywhere in all religions,even Buddha is a Christ because he borned from a virgin Mother and also because Buddha sacrificed teh luxuries of His kingdom just to find enlightement and show to people that rich, is the one who is with the spiritual jewleries and not the one with the materiall luxuries,yes he sacrificed the easy and comfortable life to find peace,and show to people the path of liberation from the material existance.
Shiva also is a Christ because He made a sacrifice for humanity and drunk all the poison of cosmos to save all...and the list of Christ goes on and on...each different civilazation and genre have a Christ,and when someone liberates His soul up to the higher cosmic areas of the kabhalistic tree of life,automaticaly the energy of this holy move,helps to elevate more souls together higher...if someone become a Christ He is able to do miracles,becasue He had awaken the Christic abilities of the inner self,to Christicize means to set free,free from demons free from ego free from darkness...
Eveyrthing is inside us,Shiva ,Krishna ,Buddha...
Everything comes from inside,all of our thoughts our moves our feelings,if we manage to control them we control our moves our thoughts our feelings,we control our life,control our self,our bodies our minds,that means that we do not let the external material effects of physical state to control us,we have the control, our inner being keeps it,not our ego,but to control these things we must observe our selfes internaly and externally and our relation with everything around in and out,our connection with the divinne the universe,awake our conciousnes not only on the plane of society but also on the plane of the universe as spirtual cosmic beings of the universe into human bodies...
So think that every ascended Master who sacrifieced His life to guide,teach,protect and show the good example to poor spiritrual minds of people is a Christ,yes Christ is not only Jesus,(although to my eyes Jesus looks the most important incarnation), Christ is the cosmic principle that connects all those ascended masters who came down on earth just to give instructions up and here on earth,about how we are gonna release our selves from matrix of the material existance on this physical state of the Malkuth cosmic area....
But inefortunately religion have gave so much bad example ,so that the most people loose faith and dont respect these masters who came down here just only for us.
"can we forget about zeitgeists opinions on christianity, and focus on the more important message it has to offer: the financial imprisonment of all humanity. thankyou"
"gopendragon, i consider myself a very spiritual person (although not christian)"
"with the christ conspiracy" Spiitoon Psyton i've joined the venus " (u write (c)hrist with smalL s and our friend (S)pitoon with BIG s)
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religions spread to to the world fanatism,and fanatism seperates not unites..
We have a coin,on the one side are the fanatical religious people,and on the other side of the coin we have the fanatical antireligious people,both belong to the same coin but
on a different side...we need to ecape from the world of dialectic,see beyond white and black,beynod the both sides of the coin and stay somehwre in the middle,the truth is always in middle ,the middle way path of Budhha
..as Aluxe said arguments dont lead anywhere,although in theory looks easy but practicaly is not easy,we need to observe our selves to see the negative parts,see why we argue?
Hermes Trismegistus said to His disciple Asklhpious that God made the human being to be on the higher state of beings up on earth becasue He gave us mind to think,and He gave us mind to think ,just to be able to see and recognisze our negative parts,OUR EGOS, and get rid of them from our selves.Hermes was the master of Platon,and Platon said that the world lives inside a cave,from the entrance of the cave a light comes from outside, and this is all the real light of the world,and as this light passes inside the cave,people see only the refelection of this lighjt that comes from outside inside ,and people think that they see the light,but the real light is outside the cave,and I am outside of the cave and see the real light...
The central idea of the matrix movie comes from these wise words of Platon!
In the end only if we change our selves to become better persons, we will find the power to change the world as Jedi Knight very well said,because also as Aluxe very well said the level of our conciousnes is low,and from this state of conciousnes we are unable to do something serious,so only if we work psychologicaly with our selves deep to learn the nature of our beings,and awake concoiusnes on a higher state we will be able to do something serious,if our mind reach the state of Buddha and awake Inner Christ,then we can do miracles...
~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
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On 2009-03-12 02:20, Aluxe wrote:
You know I think the first Zeitgeist movie should have just concentrated on the financial control mechanisms and not included all the part about Jesus and the Sun because a lot of people will be turned off by that (regardless of weather it has any truth in it). Its better to concentrate on what can be understood and proven today like exposing the dishonest financial system.
But regardless, I think this is IMPORTANT stuff that everyone should be looking into.
I think if enough people become aware of this issues then we can reach critical mass for things to finally change.
^^^Very much agreed.
Gopendragon i agree with what your trying to say, but the fact is that the concept of messiahs and people who came die for our sins etc just doesn't work for me. I don't personally believe in a personified higher being at all. I just can't accept it as a possibility, and if that works for you and all the others that accept it then fair enough, it is the source for masses of good and i appreciate that, just not for me. you're explanation of esoteric christianity does appeal to me a lot more, but it still doesn't really work for me, because i still have no belief in a 'god' as such.
"with the christ conspiracy" Spiitoon Psyton i've joined the venus " (u write (c)hrist with smalL c and our friend (S)pitoon with BIG s) ''
^^^ that was simply because i typed christ and copied and pasted spiitoon's name because it's a bit of a handful to type.
I do not at all consider myself a fanatic, i accept my religious/ spiritual beliefs as my beliefs only and do not want to push them on anybody else, and accept that they do not work for everybody, probably not for the large majority.
all i want is for all people, no matter what their belief system, to unite and do as much as collectively possible to stop this awful awful monetary conspiracy. that was why i started this thread, not to try and disprove christianity, believe me if i had seen one of the other movies like the money makers i would have started a thread about that instead.
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Posted : Mar 12, 2009 19:17
^haha its finally released eh, lol, going to watch it tonight. Obama being the Anti-Christ and stuff - Maybe he is the infant they supposedly placed inside the core of the first Nuclear bomb
- I was (in my head) planning to host a Zeitgeist viewing in my City this year on the 15th Of March. Not going to happen because of .. Maybe next time I'll follow through my idea.
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Gopendragon i agree with what your trying to say, but the fact is that the concept of messiahs and people who came die for our sins etc just doesn't work for me. I don't personally believe in a personified higher being at all. I just can't accept it as a possibility, and if that works for you and all the others that accept it then fair enough, it is the source for masses of good and i appreciate that, just not for me. you're explanation of esoteric christianity does appeal to me a lot more, but it still doesn't really work for me, because i still have no belief in a 'god' as such.
Ok! I am glad to see that in one point u escape from the religious trap,and u do not easy believe that a messiah will save ur soul,and this is something that I also believe.
I see that u dont believe that god is a person like Krishna for example,like as HARE KRISHNA devotees who worship Krishna as the supreme personality of godhead,and spend a lot of precious spiritual energy to worship an idol of god on their alter...
Religions do magic,black magic..and hypnotize their believers with a technical light,and their believers think that they see the light,but this light is not the real light as Platon says,because the church seems to be the cave of platon,but he cave of platon is not only the church of the religions...
Esoterism can see Krishna,Jesus,Buddha..etc as incarnations of the absolute supreme being(god) here up on earth , the physical plane of material existance,or else the cosmic area of Malkuth sefirot,from the kabbalistic tree of life,wich is the reflection of our inner world on the universe,the macrocosm of the universe connected with the our microcsm inside our body.
Think that Jesus,Krishna..etc are absolute personalities,higher spiritrual beings who posses their soul and liberated from the prison of their physical bodies,but u me and the most of us we just only have a part of our souls,wich belongs to the supreme being,becasue this supreme being is cause of all causes,the cause of creation and life...
Our soul is a slave of our ego,and ego controls our life,and only if get rid of that materilitic ego we will escape from the matrix..
Anyway I am not gonna explain u everything about Esoteric Christianity,this is something that u are gonna search,because belive me the truth about the first part of Zeitgeist is esoteric,and if u consider ur self as a spiritual person ,and u really want to know the truth and spread the true message to the world,u need to make a serious deeper and responsible research by ur own,and dont let other sources like Zeitgest to control ur life,ur faith and what u belive...
I suggest u to read a book of Hermes Trismegistus,...Hermes does not personify god,He does not gives a name to god..
Hermetic philosophy have the keys to escape from matrix of phisical world,but u need to see this wisdhom by the esoteric view,if want to understand the message deeper...
On the emerald tablet of Hermes Trismegistous says: "As they are above they are under also"
What does He mean?
When He says above He means up to the higher spiritual world, where the higher evoluted beings live after they liberated from down,the physical world we live here on earth,and up there, they are the same thing as we are down here ..."
What does that means?
think with ur heart and u will see the deeper esoteric meaning..,this sentence reminds me also the microcosm and the macrocosm...and a lot of other things that I am not gonna analyze u here...this is ur work,,,everybody needs to save his soul by his own,and all those Great spiritual Masters can only help us by their wise knowledge,becasue this was their puprpose,to give us the lighjts,and nobody of them is a messiah as the religions says,nobody of them is gonna take u from the hand to the heaven... ,the messiah is in u,and u need to search and research deep...,Hermes gives the secret of cosmos just in a few lines that He wrote on the emerald tablet before 3000 b.c,but u need to read by the esoteric prism of alchemy....
But even the books of Hermes are not give all the truth,just only a -part...all the truth is inside our inner self...
I am a researcher of the truth, like as u are,and like as all others who search and be honest with their heart..,we are not different,we just only wanna help each other becasue we have love and respect,and we have danced on the same trance stages.... and want to see this world to become better,and finnaly escape from this hell...
~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
Maybe next time I'll follow through my idea.