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x-noize - anjuna beach, eh could someone explain this ?
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Elad
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shahar
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Posted : Mar 22, 2005 11:04
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You can look at it from two angles.
1. Legally- if it as the guys say, then this is cool, no problem. BTW, there are exact legal definitions for remixes & cover versions.
2. Morally- Here it depends on your morals. Some think that they shoudn't have released it because it doesn't show enough respect to the original, some say it's OK because people enjoy it.
Anyway, no reason for anyone to get pissed on anyone. People can disagree. It's cool.
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Posted: Mar 22, 2005
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On 2005-03-21 19:30, a3k wrote:
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On 2005-03-21 19:22, Yuli wrote:
If I wouldnt read this on the forum, I probably wouldnt know about it at all since I couldnt care less about Crystal Matrix releases - I like my dance music slower and less 14 year old orientated.
From the only reason maybe that I love this music and I hate to see it going more and more commercial for schoolboyz and girlz.
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well bout the slower i am not so much into it..i like them more faster..but the 14 year old orientated music i´m with on that...
and bout the comercial business i think u hit the fly...
and surrender...right on the fly also 
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hey a3k i think that you must be more coerent with your posts you see and have your hown ideas and not always follow other posts like you do .i know that you are sad due to the fact that portuguese forum have finish.but go to quest4goa forum ill guess that you fit more in there you see is more 14 yr old oriented... 
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filter
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Posted : Mar 23, 2005 00:21
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i really dont agree in trashing xnoize as if they were thieves or bad guys...
and im also impressed by this lars ulrich-attitude of thinking that a work of art is something that should be kept intact forever and ever like something holy and untouchable. i dont agree with this, art is not religion, there should be no taboos or restrictions whatsoever. the xnoize guys made a track that certainly people like, they used another track to get inspiration and i dont see anything wrong with that! they just took what they liked and use it to take the delta track to a whole new level, exploring other possibilites of the "world" delta created with this song. this is something creative and original! its just mixing what you like from another track with your ideas.
its like saying that a dj is not an artist just because he mixes other people songs, this is not true! there is art everywhere, and mixing is certainly one of its forms! not all djs should produce, and not all producers should be djs! let everyone explore music as they wish.
for me the whole purpose of art is multiply the energy you receive! by making people dance, by inspiring people to do music! whats so wrong about doing a remix/cover of a track you liked? not even the original authors minded! why put xnoize on a stool and point the fingers at them as if they had something wrong?. the tracks do not belong to anybody, if you make music its not yours, the "cosmos" gave you that energy and you just give it back to it in the form of music, its not fair to treat art the same way you treat cheese or milk in a supermarket.
its true music is sold in the same way, but i think capitalism rules shouldnt be applied to it. when i make a track i dont "own" it, i may sell it to get money, maybe even make a living out of it, but i dont care if someone uses my track for inspiration, i dont even mind a remix or a cover, in fact if my track helps other people get $ with music, its even better!. i will just keep doing music, making sure that my tracks are good ones, without fear of the "competition" that wants to steal my "products".
in this case xnoize is not a greedy label releasing a track with out permission of the artist, they are just kids that liked a track and made a cover! and even with permission of the authors! whats the big deal with this?
xnoize guys keep doing what your heart tells you to do, you did nothing wrong!
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Posted : Mar 23, 2005 00:41
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On 2005-03-23 00:21, filter wrote:
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.. Well, ehm.. Please don't count me in.. After having given my thoughts here in this thread I went listening to the sample on Saikosounds.. Hum hum, no please don't count me in..
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On 2005-03-23 00:21, filter wrote:
they just took what they liked and use it to take the delta track to a whole new level, exploring other possibilites of the "world" delta created with this song. this is something creative and original! its just mixing what you like from another track with your ideas. |
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Sorry again, I see absolutely no creativity in this remix.. The sample/guitar used sound exactly the same, not a slightly change in it..
..Same goes for the "substitution" titel.. I guess the relation between it and the track must be very.. ehm.. subtle..
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On 2005-03-23 00:21, filter wrote:
not even the original authors minded! why put xnoize on a stool and point the fingers at them as if they had something wrong |
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Maybe they didn't mind, Filter.. But hey, if they enjoyed it, they would have certainly accepted the "x-noize remix" titel.. It is not the case. So again, in such a situation I would never have the corones enough to release it anyways..
This is deeper than I expected, and when I read posts like yours I do understand a bit better the fall of overall quality in Psychedelic Trance nowadays : some people do tolerate it, and seem to be happy with it. But I just don't want to start such a discussion in this thread.
Do what you want after all X-Noize & consorts.. I'll spend my money somewhere else..
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Mar 23, 2005 03:26
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On 2005-03-23 00:41, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
Do what you want after all X-Noize & consorts.. I'll spend my money somewhere else..
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man I told you already that crack is not a good way to spend your money either
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Posted : Mar 23, 2005 08:48
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hey moderator,, arent u supposed not to be partial about the subjects.. do your job and moderate!!! |
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Posted : Mar 23, 2005 11:32
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On 2005-03-23 08:48, jhanna wrote:
hey moderator,, arent u supposed not to be partial about the subjects.. do your job and moderate!!!
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exactly
...KakoOlalaJwal... so what if they kept the guitars the same...it was/is to be rmx and so it fits the we have some relationship with the original.....not such a good rmx if it is completely different..otherwise we could just start labelling everything as a rmx...where do you draw the line?.. this post I think is now pathetic...it seems that many people like this track (some don't but then beauty is in the eye of the beholder)
...as I said I think it rocks...so what if it is similar to the original...it was I imagine the idea...similar but fatter...2005 style...to say that "...when I read posts like yours I do understand a bit better the fall of overall quality in Psychedelic Trance nowadays : some people do tolerate it, and seem to be happy with it...." (KakoOlalaJwal) is just the voice of ignorance...
this kind of music will not stop others producing their own unique masterpieces... why must we always hear about the problems of the scene now...how it was before... etc. etc. usually from people who no longer have, or who have never been successful with their Music, Djing, Party Promotion or whatever....
To give X-Noize shit about whether or not they are theives for making a rocking track that happens to contain elements of another track.... made yes initialy without "permission" - (sounds like we are at school here)...but then if it is The Delta (given the reputation) I would want to make it and then say "what do you think" rather then voice the idea and not be taken seriously....I think is ridiculous.
Did anyone get in touch with the Prodidgy about Eskimo's Rmx or perhaps someone will call The Grid and tell them that "Swamp Thing" has been "Vandalised"....
perhaps some people are familiuar with the Renaissance a period in art, thinking, architecture, fashion, music anything really artistic BASED entirely on the classical age (ancient Greeks and Romans) do you think anyone gave them shit for copying what they believed was great art...don't think so... as i said before great art has always built on what went before... incorporating the ideas of others to create something acceptable for the current climate....
Good luck to X-Noise!!!!!!! Keep it up!
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a3k
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Posted : Mar 23, 2005 11:59
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On 2005-03-22 22:28, gandharva wrote:
hey a3k i think that you must be more coerent with your posts you see and have your hown ideas and not always follow other posts like you do .i know that you are sad due to the fact that portuguese forum have finish.but go to quest4goa forum ill guess that you fit more in there you see is more 14 yr old oriented...
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man i did not understood u..did u produce the track?does it afect u?it seem it does...
why can´t i follow other posts?if they are like my ideas why wright and wright again the same thing?
and btw..what are u saying?what do u know about me?that i am sad by it hasn´t a portuguese forum anymore? 
why b coerent when i can b crazy?
and i say again in case u think i must wright thix...it is music orientated 4 kidz...my opinion got it?respect it like i respect yours.
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Posted : Mar 23, 2005 12:10
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On 2005-03-23 08:48, jhanna wrote:
hey moderator,, arent u supposed not to be partial about the subjects.. do your job and moderate!!!
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I didn't know that moderators aren't allowed to have opinions.....
IMO, it's pretty lame to actually release this track. Something like this would be better used as a live-only track for the artists' sets, or released freely on the internet if the concern was really wanting the fans to have it.
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Mar 23, 2005 12:16
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On 2005-03-23 08:48, jhanna wrote:
hey moderator,, arent u supposed not to be partial about the subjects.. do your job and moderate!!!
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I am not a machine sorry..
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On 2005-03-23 11:32, Krusty wrote:
so what if it is similar to the original...it was I imagine the idea...similar but fatter...2005 style... |
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The track is now 8-9 years old ok ? Eight years after there are still many people that dig this track (and the whole album) a lot, and even that think that a "definition" of Trance has been made with "Scizoeffective". For many reasons I have serious doubts that in four years anybody will remember this remix..
"so what if it is similar to the original"
In the context of remixing the original is purely a seed.. A seed that need water (let's call it the "remarquable" basic elements of the original track) and sun (the imagination of the remixer) to sprout and then grow up.
I hope we agree here.
So : In that particular remix, I think that all that was making this track "specific", different, groundbreaking in 1997 has been skipped in the remix, and we just have the most identifiable elements of the original track pasted in the remix..
I am sorry, this is not what I'm expecting of a remix, and i do feel free to express it, moderator or not.. I'm a long time party-goer before all..
I'd like to remind you that my first posts in this thread were everything but harsh.. I am sorry if the last post looked a little bit more..
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On 2005-03-23 11:32, Krusty wrote:
Did anyone get in touch with the Prodidgy about Eskimo's Rmx |
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Not a good example.. 
I would praise much more a deejay who plays us the original than this remix (sorry).. And about the whole Prodigy thing, I mean not less than 4 or 5 remix of the same track the same year was the last straw, if you ask me..
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On 2005-03-22 11:04, shahar wrote:
Anyway, no reason for anyone to get pissed on anyone. People can disagree. It's cool.
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I quote it again..
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Posted : Mar 23, 2005 13:12
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Its not really a question of being pissd off...just why do we need to bother to point this out....
the prodigy example was just to make a point..i do agree it was overdone...in this case we have, other than the Delta themselves who remixed the track (I think) for Boom 2002, just one version....
"In the context of remixing the original is purely a seed.. A seed that need water (let's call it the "remarquable" basic elements of the original track) and sun (the imagination of the remixer) to sprout and then grow up. ..."
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I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here.... lol
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Mar 23, 2005 13:24
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On 2005-03-23 13:12, Krusty wrote:
I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here.... lol
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Wow.. please give me your vision of a remix, then..
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On 2005-03-23 13:12, Krusty wrote:
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No I am not a producer in the way I don't have machines at home, because at present I have many other things to sort out before thinking of buying elements of a studio.
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What are you going to tell me now ? That as I'm not a producer, I should shut my mouth ?
I have my little idea of what a remix should be, don't worry.. Having seen (please don't think I'm showing up here) hundreds of deejay-sets and live-acts in many genres from the Chemical Brothers to Der Dritte Raum, Front 242, Richie Hawtin (even a Tuesday night with about 20-30 people in the club including many "famous" deejays, which was funny) and I could give here a neverending list.. Yes I do think I have my little idea..
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Posted : Mar 23, 2005 13:26
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On 2005-03-23 13:12, Krusty wrote:
the prodigy example was just to make a point..
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INDEED! this example really does make the point as this eskimo rmx of prodigy has never been released and was kept only for live acts ...
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Krusty
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Posted : Mar 23, 2005 14:29
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KakoOlalaJwal chill mate....
I am sure that you have been to many parties...you do need to prove anything to anyone...
I ask about being a producer to know what angle you come from... what sort of understand ing you may have...that was all....
I remember now that you are an ambient DJ, no?
and as a result have a pretty good understanding of music I am sure...
My idea of a remix
well.... maybe...as I don't have the manual to hand...
taking a track and incorporating your own artistic identity into the elements of the original material... don't think its possible to be anymore specific...art I am told doesn't tend to follow rules.
Just didn't understand the sun, seed thing, sounded more like a gardening program than a critical appraisal of music...lol
I just think sometimes we ALL give producers a hard time when we have no idea what it takes to write a good track...
relax mate after all it seems to be X-Noize that are receiving the attacks here!
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