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Why trance is so popular ?
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crystal
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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 12:15
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Hi there trancepeople!
I have never been in Israel,but there is an opinion that trance here is a national popular music ,like a POP scene in Russia or US for example.This follows from that there are many
parties all the year and a huge quantity of
musicians(some of them are very talanted
and worldwide famous).So why psytrance is so popular in Israel,in what the reason?
Thanx for your competent replies
crystal
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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 13:25
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hehe nice one 
i think that its bocouse of alot of ppl think that trance is "COOL" thing ,and "WE R COOL!!! WE GO TO RAVES" or "IM COOL IM A DJ"
and few with brains dont mind to catch the wave and make some good $$$ from it (artists,djs,orginisers)
BUT!!!!!
with years all this made a majour change in the trance sceene in israel...........
almoust noone imports cds anymore
trance became to be so simple and easy listening that its descusting
AND becouse its becomes to be easier and easier.....
AND becouse it became to be so "mainstream" (music that almoust anyone will be able to dance,exept grandmothers maybe).......
AND becouse of orginisers doing those parties with same lineups over and over (well its 'cool'.....).......
the sceene grows all the time.....
kids in 8th grade listens to trance.......
tons of kids going to parties........
alot of them begin to produce (well its easy and no spetial skills requiers)
and so on and on.......
today each month we have few parties that goes over 1000 ppl
each month there is like 40 parties
and tons of artists that making same kind of music and playing over and over at those same parties (sometimes same dj preforms on 2 parties at same night.....)
bottom line........
it is cool to be in this sceene in israel today
thats the main isue
 Jesus didnt dance,but his beat goes on
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crystal
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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 15:33
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On 2004-07-08 13:25, 5Meo-Geo wrote:
hehe nice one
i think that its bocouse of alot of ppl think that trance is "COOL" thing ,and "WE R COOL!!! WE GO TO RAVES" or "IM COOL IM A DJ"
and few with brains dont mind to catch the wave and make some good $$$ from it (artists,djs,orginisers)
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OK 5Meo-Geo that is result,but what is the main factor? Kids of any country want to be
COOL ,producers of any country are using
this desire for benefication of themselves
they put up their money to POP scene or House
Scene or Rock scene depends of taste of consumers.
So why "the chosen people" like psytrance? What is the main factor for the masses? Maybe wheather or culture or smth else?
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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 17:04
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yes yes
just like house in ibiza
this sceene in israel is fully comertialised
the choosen ppl u say
nomore
even if u not choose u'll get to hear trance someday and when u hear it and its gets to u then u r infront of the door to this sceene
u start search for this music and u find it prety easy
parties r fully comertialised
no more hush hush parties that only like 200 ppl know about it
so ppl r not been "choosen" as it was before
Jesus didnt dance,but his beat goes on
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Top-down
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Posted : Jul 8, 2004 20:51
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First of all talking about the "chosen ppl" Crystal meant Israelis
Second of all I think the main factor is the size of the country - it is small. Everybody know everybody. Keeping things hush is close to imposible over here.
Once trance got here it just spread around. Israely mentallity (the size of the country,the religion and the fact we all serve in army and more are its shapers) is based on a kind of brotherhood-neighbourhood model for the goods and the bads in it.
Living in a constant stress (teror) got peaple seeking for getaways - psy-drugs became one of the popular ways.
And there it comes - every drug user eventually comes to an open-air party,his friend told him about... ...
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nobody_4
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blue pill
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 00:43
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I don't think it's so popular here.... House music is very popular and it's "cool" to listen to it, not trance music.... Ask 100 ppl in the street who are california sunshine, I think that maybe 4 ppl will know.... |
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Andrey
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 01:59
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That's the point Blue Pill, ask 100ppl in the street and maybe 4 WILL ANSWER YOU (BEST CASE). If they don't know you - -they don't get a f*Ck about you - all here built on money and "ksharim" (connections), i always ask myself what exactly is going on here - R Israelis keeping vibe alive or killing all saint... Well 70% of Israelis don't care about trance, only money and their own ass. And their "ahim", "ahot", "dodot", "shhenot", "Kaparot aleiha", etc.
EVEN RELIGION HERE IS BUILT ON MONEY - HOW TRANCE WOULD NOT BE COMMERTICAL????
p.s sorry for my english
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blue pill
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 03:28
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Andrey, I think I got your point, and I think you're right.... 80% of the ppl in Israel who like trance music don't really care about it....
But I think you didn't get my point.... I meant that in Israel ppl like house music, not trance music.... ppl here can like Infected Mushroom, Skazi, Void, Alien Project etc, because they are playing in clubs, but almost nobody else knows other names.....
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nobody4
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 08:46
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The main reason psy-trance is so popular in Israel is, in a matter of fact, the army service.
After 3 years of army slavedom, most Israelies feel the urge to set themselves free before going to higher studies (unlike in most 'normal' countries where students can continue their studies straight to the university with maybe 1/2 year of service in between - we have 3!), so the precentage of travelling young people is so much higher than in other countries.
These travellers dont have so much money, so the natural direction in the nineties was (still is?) to India and the east, where the psy-trance culture was established. After spending from a couple of months to a year in India, these people came back (most of them, at least) to Israel bringing with them the special sound and culture of Goa-Trance, and you can deduct the rest.
Geo, again your comments stink from self importance - on one hand you say that people want to be 'cool' by being in the psy scene, and on the other you look down at them for wanting to take part in your 'pure' music - if so many people listen to this music you won't be 'cool' and special anymore, right?. I mean, they are listening to commerical shit anyway, which you yourself define as completely different music, so why do you care?
I find this attitude quite opposite from the open-mind mentality that originated in Goa.
Why should there be a problem for 8 years olds to listen to trance? or produce it? what makes this music a 'chosen' music that can be experienced by 'selected few'?
Back to the topic - trance is popular in Israel because of the special history that ex-army backpackers created in Goa through the ninties. And, of course, the fact that we are a small and 'concentrated' country where everywhere is close and many people know each other.
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Yuli
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 09:06
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Because 8 year olds should listen to music made for 8 year olds - with words and real emotions. Auspexx sometime I really feel u want to get into one of those conflicts... comon lets see..
Trance is a synthetic culture. To understand it really ( sorry all the pure and drug free ppl ) one needs to practice hallucinogenic drugs - anyone that claims differently doesn't know what he/she talks about since the feel of this music on acid doesn't compare to anything known in this universe that I ever felt. I don't do chemical drugs for many years now, nor I try to persuade any to take some. I believe it is a private decisions that should be dealt very seriously since those chemical substances are much more than they seem to be. THAT IS WHY this music is not for 8 year olds to comprehend and not for 16 years old. Ofcourse out of those there are the 16 year olds that did psy drugs ( and lost their youth and I am very sorry for them - imo it was at least 5 years too early ), and there are those 16 year olds that started making music imitating trance made by sound engineers deep into the vibe I just explained. Those that did it good became from wizkid of yesterday to top notch producers of today - but this came out of super high technical quality of copying from psy masters. As I said those wizkids of yesterday are top psy trance acts of today. But they are very few. Most of music that is produced these days by youngsters isn't deep enough in my opinion and there is nothing bad in Pink Floyd, Front 242 or Depeche mode for teeneagers - actually is much better than trance - but that is just my opinion
Tal that doesnt make me elitist sob. I just care about ppl that is it
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nobody4
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 09:26
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I totaly agree with you on the drug issue - psy-trance is a psychodelic music, hence is made by and for drug-influenced people. I also agree, btw, that 6 or 16 years old is too early for pst-journeys. Like you, I don't do H.drugs but admit that in order to begin understanding this particular music I had to go through a certain journey that is not recommended for the young mind (not sure if I ever finished that particular journey, though).
However, I do not see what the music Geo-Meo referred to as Psy, since the 'mainstream' artists, IMO, don't do psy music but simple 'sophisticated, uplifting dance music', that is accessible to anyone - just like house music.
That was the point of my comment - I also dont think that youngsters can really fully experience and comprehend authentic psy-trance music (such as Bus, Green nuns, Halucinogen etc'), but artists like Astrix or Perplex or Alien Project, IMO, are not so 'Goa-psy' and can be experienced by anyone, even without H.drugs.
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crystal
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 14:26
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On 2004-07-09 08:46, helen wrote:
After 3 years of army slavedom, most Israelies feel the urge to set themselves free before going to higher studies (unlike in most 'normal' countries where students can continue their studies straight to the university with maybe 1/2 year of service in between - we have 3!), so the precentage of travelling young people is so much higher than in other countries.
These travellers dont have so much money, so the natural direction in the nineties was (still is?) to India and the east, where the psy-trance culture was established. After spending from a couple of months to a year in India, these people came back (most of them, at least) to Israel bringing with them the special sound and culture of Goa-Trance, and you can deduct the rest.
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That's strange to hear about young people,
who were travelling to India without money
like Moses drove his people through desert
It looks like a fairytale,btw many people from other countries were tripping to south-west of India ,where the paradise for the
hippies and dope friends all over the world since 60's was .BUT in this case trance music took root in Israel exactly.
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I think the main factor is the size of the country - it is small. Everybody know everybody. Keeping things hush is close to imposible over here.
Once trance got here it just spread around. Israely mentallity (the size of the country,the religion and the fact we all serve in army and more are its shapers) is based on a kind of brotherhood-neighbourhood model for the goods and the bads in it.
Living in a constant stress (teror) got peaple seeking for getaways - psy-drugs became one of the popular ways.
And there it comes - every drug user eventually comes to an open-air party,his friend told him about... ...
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hahahaha very interesting idea about Israilis way to distress from the threats of an external world - to take some
acid or E in and to go to the Rave(!)
Many Russians are drinking Vodka after what
they are looking for adventures in their ass,More often it comes to an end to fight
to drinking companion ))) very funny...
Totally i think the matter is national mentality first of all ,but unfortunatly
i cant understand what is it.
Bottomline
Propably it is necessary to live in Israel or to be the Jew to answer this question
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Mike A
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 15:02
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What makes Pink Floyd any better than Mike A (for example)?
The fact that it was made on psy drugs? The fact that it's 30 years old?
A sophisticated thing for one may sound totally awful to someone else. Keep that in mind when patronizing over other music.
Even though I don't like House and Pop, I do respect this type of music and don't say that "my' music is any better than other music.
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5Meo-Geo
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Posted : Jul 9, 2004 17:28
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On 2004-07-09 00:43, blue pill wrote:
I don't think it's so popular here.... House music is very popular and it's "cool" to listen to it, not trance music.... Ask 100 ppl in the street who are california sunshine, I think that maybe 4 ppl will know....
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ye blue pill
thats my point
even some 'trance artists' didnt listened to california sunshine
but ask 100 ppl about skazi,astrix,alien project,infected mushroom and on and on
they all will know those names
the problem that most ppl dont know other music than last 2 years of fullon
HELEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i look from the top on any BIACH that is lasy and all he care is make money and talk like snob just becouse he have few tracks on some compilation
yes i feel myself ontop of him/her
and again u talk about open mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
wtf dude we fight over that on last treath
someone that listens and make same loop for 4 years is not open minded!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ze me ha seret shelha ben adam!!!!!!!!!!!!!
man u know when u'll change??????
whenever u wont care about money
and start to spread ur music for free
but u never wont do it
coze money is big part for u in trance
or make 7/8 track and not 4/4
u ever tried it?????????
i'm sure not
and also i'm sure that 1st thing u do when u make track is make kick and bass
well u open mind like my ass
dont mention it to me again ever!!!!!!!!!
and 8th grade kids dont supose to hear to trance
its drugs music (well it supose to be drugs music)
otherway u wont call it psychedelic music
if u realy want i can put some drop on u'r future 8 year old boy and play him texas faggot
i think its wrong
why should i care u ask
cose some fucks take music into place that fucking descust me with years
in 3 years all sceene became to be SAME music
i care becouse i want to enjoy trance again
i want to enjoy parties again
and i care cose i fucking tired to hear SAME track from 12786421386492 artists already 3 years
Jesus didnt dance,but his beat goes on
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