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why soundcloud is kind of dead?

splikz


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Posted : Mar 16, 2015 20:28
being popular like.. vibetribe!
and those guys. who needs edm??
Xsze


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Posted : Mar 16, 2015 20:32
Hahahahah

Astrix is kinda kewl

splikz


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Posted : Mar 16, 2015 20:38
examples of psy popular. which is cool, I guess.
it is not what everyone wants, but it's nice.

those guys worked hard in the last decade or more. it's paying off.

Xsze


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Posted : Mar 16, 2015 20:46
For sure, in the end of the day, they make music people actually like to listen and support, no matter what

splikz


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Posted : Mar 16, 2015 20:58
some people may say that it's music for people who are always waiting for the drop.
a different vibe that somehow resembles the edm shows... not everyone likes it, but it's an example of better in the scene.





Xsze


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Posted : Mar 16, 2015 21:09
That's the vibe of today I guess, new generations
wirakocha
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Posted : Mar 16, 2015 23:14
psytrance is underground don't expect fama
the most famous,established artist of psytrance in southamerica almost can sell 100 or 200 cd copies to 10 dollars, the oders can sell 50 cd copies if you compare with EDM they sell thousand and thousand of copies...           d(((+_-)))b
"Washuma" means Mescaline
FB: https://www.facebook.com/washumamusic
SCloud: https://soundcloud.com/washumamusic
splikz


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Posted : Mar 16, 2015 23:16
indoor and outdoor parties, that always look that they are overcapacity, with people squashed between fences, jumping to linear kick-and-bass music. new generations!
routingwithin
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Posted : Mar 17, 2015 11:42
Quote:

On 2015-03-16 20:32, Xsze wrote:
Hahahahah

Astrix is kinda kewl





Yipp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BT4VID5r3JM


          " We are together in this matter you and I, closer to death, yes, closer than i'd like. How do you feel? - There can be no division in our actions, or everything is lost. What affects you affects me. "
frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 17, 2015 20:51
One thing that should help not thinking to much about fame and glory should be the idea that we'll all end up dead anyways. So none of that matters. Picture yourself dead asking yourself: did I express myself in a reasonable manner or not? That's what being an artist is all about!

But that's not to say that the most famous acts have not earned their place in the podium. Takes a lot of hard work and dedication to achieve so many followers and fuzz. Surely starts with making good music. The rest of it is up to taste, of course. Also think it takes some character features that not everyone has. Many of them are social, knowing how to deal with people, being focused on your goals, and all of that. Just like with any other business I guess.

But unless you're desperately needing this to pay the food on your table, why even bother? You can choose to do it for your own sake and joy and keep it to yourself, family and friends - perhaps some parties among friends; and be happy about it. That's fine. You may feel like you'd enjoy some feedback, and then the only way is putting it out there and see what happens. In a way, the destination of art is in other people, besides yourself. So give your music, and the people a chance if that's the case.

I believe we overthink this kind of stuff to much. A sign of the times, yes. Maybe the poisonous notion that everything boils down to how popular you are, how many views it attracts and so forth. All crap if you ask me. Obsess over your mix and arrangement. Try to materialize your best ideas, try to make your tracks work, invest your time learning new stuff and integrating it into the tunes you make. Or even buy a modular and go nuts, without making any music, or anything recognisable as such. Who cares?

Mcluhan used to say "the medium is the message". And in this case, this topic was an invention of our dearest friends, designers of social networks that are meant to put the flashlight on what's popular. That's about it. It's stupid that programmers would put so much effort in making it visible who's got the likes and who doesn't. Like it matters. Need I remind you guys that many famous painters like Monet had their canvases in the "non official" saloon, their work made fun of in the newspapers of the time. Trust me, you don't even know a single name from the official saloon of those days.

The question here is that many of us feel that's the only way to go. To play that hideous game. To go after it. It's not. Those of us saying if you're good and want to, you'll get noticed are probably the most reasonable ones. Focus on doing the best art you possibly can. And give yourself a break. Kate Perry is hitting the charts and just think of what that does for you, how much it moves your soul and gives you joy. I'd rather go through an hour of traffic then listening to that bullshit myself. Even when it's mixed by the most (in)famous mixers in this world and what not (pun intended).

Cheers guys
Xsze


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Posted : Mar 18, 2015 10:39
Spot on frisbeehead

Cheers
moki
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Posted : Mar 20, 2015 16:55
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On 2015-03-17 20:51, frisbeehead wrote:
Like it matters. Need I remind you guys that many famous painters like Monet had their canvases in the "non official" saloon, their work made fun of in the newspapers of the time. Trust me, you don't even know a single name from the official saloon of those days.

The question here is that many of us feel that's the only way to go. To play that hideous game. To go after it. It's not. Those of us saying if you're good and want to, you'll get noticed are probably the most reasonable ones. Focus on doing the best art you possibly can.





Recently I came upon a message in a forum written by some trance artists who were appealing for a like , so that they could be chosen to play at Transylvania (http://transylvania-calling.com/music-application/). I thought to myself, wow, this is really the way they choose artists nowadays - they take those with the most likes?!? However, this must be the zeitgeist, something that is "in" at the moment, and something that reminds me that I do not trust this type of "collective intelligence". Why? Because trance artists today, and since years, do not gain popularity as artists based on their unique work and techniques (like it used to be with Monet and whoever in the last ages), but on how they present themselves as entertainers of the crowd and how well they are socially connected. I mean, the people outside won't judge an artist by the fact if he/she uses a unique technique, or if he is decent and does not use ready presets etc. This is simply not the case. May be you have a different opinion, but do you really think that the listeners know every single existent preset or vst and everything so that they can distinguish how much human factor there is behind the music? I really don't think so. But may be, exactly like the ages before us, our children and grand children would - and then a forgotten name could be revived again . So then I agree - keep going and do not be in a hurry to release, but really take your time to do your best.

But if you are one of those people who really find it inspiring to have a listener or two, and to be understood and respected by others, then it might be important to you to know how people react on your music. But then, at least, do not trust a crowd and sound cloud, trust those who care and who are involved in music production themselves. This is why it is important to keep social networks for music production alive, and make new ones...

Another thing about sound cloud. What I have seen there, is that a dj often has much more followers than the artist who made the music. This is crazy, how can this type of judgement be relevant about who is good and who is not...

May be it is not a bad idea to think about what can be relevant to the people 50 years later and follow this direction. Not the crowd outside or anything that you read about yourself in a social network or a forum of a contemporary dimension.
frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 21, 2015 18:57
I've listened to the blatant use of samples even on Shpongle. It was a preset from Sugar Byte's Effectrix, which I also have and browsed through, like I usually do with such FX combo suites, so it was an easy catch.

However, and this is the only reason I'm mentioning this example and not another one, one would have to go a very long (like loooooooong) way to question Simon Postford's talents in sound design, composition and what not, right?

There was a time in my music production endeavours where I was very strict about that. It went to the point I didn't even use samples for drums, I designed the whole thing from the ground up, to the point where quality was kind of affected by it to. You know, you can only go so far using noise and sculpting an Open Hat with it. The truth of the matter is: you need to find your own voice, sure, but that's more to do with your imagination then anything else. One thing that made me look at it in a different light was dealing with folks from the hip hop scene, mainly 'cause I do some free lancing mixing and mastering some material for people I know (mostly). Their take on sampling made me think that presets can be thought of as something similar, what matters the most is what you do with it. It's all vocabulary. I keep designing my synth patches and barely even look at the presets, except when it's from someone like Howard Scarr, Richard Devine and the likes - 'cause you can always learn a thing or two simply by analysing them.

But I know where you're coming from with this and I partially agree with you on that. I just don't think we should be snobs about it. If people use vengeance samples, it's fine. If people buy and make use of preset banks, it's also fine. Doesn't bother me at all. I think ultimately, if that's all you're relying on, your music will show precisely that: it's sort of easy to get noticed, it's not as easy to keep the audience's interest on your music. Those who manage to, certainly have more to them then just browsing presets, using synths like romplers, kind of thing.

Also noticed those calls for people to "like" certain pages or vote for artists for festivals. Would never blame the artists. They do what it takes to get where they want to be. We should really just blame the organisers for it. Even though, as said previously, it makes economic sense to place a bet on those that provide a big legion of fans. Although basing all choices on that is indeed very short sighted and even makes them look like they're not accountable for any respectable criteria, rather then making money and securing their investments. Culture does not blossom without people taking risks, placing bets in unlikely things...

I believe there's plenty artists out there whose music is better then those in the public domain. I even know a couple of them myself. But it's their choice to keep things private. The public can not know if you don't show them, right?
splikz


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Posted : Mar 22, 2015 01:07
personally I appreciate the skills and consistency in other producers.
although some of them may use samples and a preset here and there, we can not really hate them for that. their music is much more than that.

some people do not invest dat much time in production, they use samples, they use presets, they buy fake followers. they have a career. some may find this extremely annoying!

frisbeehead
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Posted : Mar 22, 2015 06:25
don't know if that happens a lot on this scene or not. not the most informed person, for sure.

but even if it does happen a lot. no matter how much one may feel that the posers are catching more flashlights then they should, I think they'll always fall short compared to someone who does put an effort in shaping the sounds, you know, with a sound all his own. if they have a career, it can't be just their fault...
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