routingwithin
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Posted : Mar 13, 2015 14:41
on another topic...
Isra trance is kind of dead
" We are together in this matter you and I, closer to death, yes, closer than i'd like. How do you feel? - There can be no division in our actions, or everything is lost. What affects you affects me. "
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Posted : Mar 13, 2015 15:05
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on another topic...
Isra trance is kind of dead
Registrations are closed because of spambots, so our newest member is for quite some time astral-goddess, nobody new to ask how to get that fat bass or that squelchy lead
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Posted : Mar 13, 2015 20:37
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there are so many good tunes with 200 plays or less, very few likes and many without any comments.
those numbers that are in no way a reflection of the quality of the tracks.
Then he's marketing skills ain't that great. It really all depends on what the artist wants to achieve with his music. Many upload their tracks and that's it.
Sure the benefit would be to keep it underground - but Psy is already underground in the commercial sector, so burying it deeper ain't the best option. You get the producers that aim to get a gig, and you get those that just enjoy composing the music - a self satisfactory treat for the soul.
Each to their own.
Yes, and those that want to get gigs and sail the waves of touring need to engage in some kind of promotion. I agree not all people are hard wired for it, all the social networking, marketing part. Problem is, you can barely find a non indie label on this scene, that does some actual worthy of the name promotion for their artists, besides placing some small bio and a picture on their website's list. Even so, if they manage to get you some gigs or place you in some festivals, then it's surely the music's job to achieve the rest.
We all know that things have changed a lot, though, and it's not as easy to catch the public's attention as there's so many people going about the same things. But I'm among those who think that labels, even keeping their perfectly valid underground status, should perhaps do a little more for their artists.
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Having said so, artists should also look into building strong connections with other people on the scene, specially other artists without letting their egos get in the way of friendship. In small niches, the way you behave towards other people (real life and social networks alike) has some influence on how fast or slow you get things going for you.
The whole deal with boosting up some accounts with fake likes, comments and what not... Rumours around saying the biggest artists out there are doing it. It's all about the fuzz you build, even if it's just some illusion. That will eventually back fire on them some time soon, no?
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Posted : Mar 13, 2015 21:34
people know that many artists have a significant amount of fake likes and fake followers. but that doesnt really matter.
in the psy scene people get popular because they play. the more they play in live events, the more popular they become. that is main marketing source.
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I think our culture is based on popularity as a benchmark for quality or credibility and while that makes some economic sense, 'cause it's easier for you to get opportunities if you have a legion of followers and fans, which ultimately means you'll bring a lot of people to the event, thus making it profitable. But on the other hand, we should perhaps counter balance that with some kind of structural form of embracing what's new, based on other criteria besides that.
If you think about the way most social networks are functioning, and this includes sound cloud, it's some kind of engine where the common joe is fed an enormous amount of material and acts as a filter, separating what's good (what he likes) from what's not relevant. Of course this isn't entirely based on quality alone, to, 'cause more established names that enjoy a wider distribution across all sorts of media, will obviously attract more views and likes.
Again, I think it's the label's job to place bets on new coming artists that may not (yet) enjoy a healthy legion of followers, but whose material shows potential. There's plenty good examples, but there's also a lot of labels that are failing miserably to convey a sense of quality stamp on their releases, thus making the public trust their choices.
Art history shows that popularity isn't the major factor when thinking of what is relevant or not. Conformity to the standards and common references does pay off, at least on the short term. Familiarity is a big word. I think it's no surprise for someone to say that Electronic Music started as a movement where everyone was pushing their creativity to the extremes, 'cause all the technology was there before the expectations of the public were in place. So a culture that started as the cutting edge, made of people who embraced what was new, later turned into a boutique of well established sub genres where there's little difference between the main acts altogether.
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Spot on frisbeehead
Many start growing up and deciding do they really love their day job or decades of obsessing over production was worth it to be left as hobby, it's fun when you can make your day job separate from your music, but in realms of music production, offering some services or even make no compromised with your music, who can't go all in being famous and payed, mix up little vanity masked as "ambition" and inspiration/benchmark, hunger and you pretty much got someone who is ready to sell his soul for it, not just get fake followers in that favor.
Music production blew out last couple of years and as I already said, who isn't DJ/producer today, after few tutorials and "how to's" anyone in few weeks can make something and than spam everything on internet, famous You Tube videos with some "I started out recently and my dream is to make it big, please, give me attention" and stuff like that, all covered under some false pretenses and "that's how the things are done in the music biz industry" brainwashed ideologies.
In past there was certain type of people who were interested in all this and it wasn't about many stuff that are important today, at least I have that feeling, that person had some kind of quality and that special something, dunno, at least some integrity, you wouldn't see that person spamming interwebz with some mediocre copy/paste attempts, but you can now see that folks just being on top of that game if they decided to be there and others just lurking around places like this still doing their thing in privacy of their world, respect to them.
But this society ties person and his job, that's the biggest fail of our times, you are evaluated trough your lousy job that keeps you from starving homeless, so if you ain't making figures and if you ain't breaking charts and clubs, even freaking social media attention, you are loser and you ain't doing it right, sad stuff really...and many actually care about this stuff, even many that don't have that hidden level of vanity that just get's you in the fun circle of reaching somewhere and never reaching it, chasing a dragon
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Posted : Mar 16, 2015 02:16
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Again, I think it's the label's job to place bets on new coming artists that may not (yet) enjoy a healthy legion of followers, but whose material shows potential. There's plenty good examples, but there's also a lot of labels that are failing miserably to convey a sense of quality stamp on their releases, thus making the public trust their choices.
there are labels that just want tracks to release. they will put your track on beatport for sure. and that's it!
some artists play mainly in their own countries, although they don't have releases in any of the relevant labels. sometimes they are not signed at all, yet they end up being popular.
I don't think that labels do any marketing. for the artists, the fact of having tracks in certain labels is more important and it works like a marketing tool. it looks cool in your bio and in flyers!
the only marketing that many of the modest labels do is to post releases in their social media profiles, and spam the releases everywhere in online forums...........
and some labels have very little online following. so what they post is pretty much irrelevant..
routingwithin
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Posted : Mar 16, 2015 10:55
I am still sticking with the fact that the music will sell itself.
If you build up an epic track then the universe will grant you some fame, but with many people today they brag about composing a track in 1 hour. Good for you for creating another mediocre track standing in the way of the good ones.. which many of us would miss, because we did not see the diamond behind the turd.
A problem with the web is that amateurs are teaching amateurs. You find so many tuts out there on “how to create a proper fullon kick-drum” – and then afterwards I want to slap the guy thinking that kick sounds good. They should design a new Bot that searches out crappy vids and shitty sample packs and just erase it – forever.
Wish that guys like Neelix, Protoculture or Killerwatts could just do a video tutorial how they compose a track from start to finish. That would be something worth the buy.. but yeah, I know, it’s all about the balance, we can’t all be good otherwise the competition would just intensify even more – however it could lead to some new ground breaking sounds.
Imo I wouldn’t buy likes/comments, cause you cannot sell a lie. Maybe for a while, but soon people will realize you’re a fraud, cause the track sucks – damaging you’re reputation even more. If the track is epic, yes, why not buy some likes…. 4K looks much more intriguing than 1K, so maybe it’s a sales technique for the big guys,. .
it’s irrelevant if they do this or not – cause they have a concrete foundation, able to withstand the energy waves of the world… A very well produced track !
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Posted : Mar 16, 2015 11:10
It's all subjective, one man epic track is another one's garbage.
There was Protoculture masterclass and other top guys, so there is an option to get it from the pro's, just cost's appropriately
At least someone did something and mostly kind people that would like to contribute want to make life little easier to fellow colleague, even if they aren't much advanced, better that than keeping everything as secret and some advantage over many.
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Posted : Mar 16, 2015 19:35
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There was Protoculture masterclass and other top guys, so there is an option to get it from the pro's, just cost's appropriately
everyone makes tutorials and teaches..
people sell super cheap tutorials on gumroad and selz.
imo there's enough knowledge (both paid and free) out there to become a pro. but it's not organized.
the success is not about secrets. it more about luck and chance. people do whatever they think it will benefit them.
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Posted : Mar 16, 2015 19:46
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the success is not about secrets. it more about luck and chance. people do whatever they think it will benefit them.
Agree totally, Faxi said one time, when he was smoking pipe with everyone and talking about peace and stuff, his music was nothing to scream about, but he got more gigs, but than when he started investing in music more and in socializing less, he got way less.
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Posted : Mar 16, 2015 19:48
producers need to get gigs during many years, in order to build a name and become popular.
producers can't live in their caves...
and the more successful you are, the less you invest in your music. it's all about the good life!
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Posted : Mar 16, 2015 19:52
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producers can't live in their caves...
Producers can, DJ's can't
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and the more successful you are, the less you invest in your music. it's all about the good life!
Spot on
But seriously, all this making it big and popular is some EDM american dream, exactly the thing I was mentioning, people got in their heads that one should go that way and that is defining who he is, all roads lead to Fame and stuff like that, I mean, this world is shithole because of people like this, that would do everything, walking over dead bodies.
