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Why is "Israel" so Psy?
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HandA
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Posted : Apr 24, 2005 01:41
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On 2005-04-24 01:11, full_on wrote:
I also think HandA is wrong putting all Israel's diversity together like if it were all the same (or like most of it were all the same). Not to mention that there are less arrogant ways to express opinions. |
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Now firstly I understand that you did not really get that UK humor presented above your post  that's all ok.
Secondly.. Arrogant? So it's now arrogant to express ones opinion? - well duuh of course it is - I should have known. A friendly advise. You need to be less wimpy (=less jumpy) and start to realise that it's ok to express an opinion. It's called to debate! I did not offend anyone or redicule anyone. I merely expressed what many other people than me think. I even said that Israel is not unique when it come to not being psy anymore. But I guess you only read what you wanted to read instead of really read what I wrote. I even said that there's nice underground parties happening in Israel but that they are rare.
Why I am not surprised. Some people simply fail to debate here without taking things too personal. |
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Pavel
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Posted : Apr 24, 2005 01:44
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shahar
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Posted : Apr 24, 2005 09:27
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This is probably the question that I've been asked most over the years.
Why is trance so popular in Israel, why it has turned into the main underground culture and some parts of it penetrated into mainstream culture?
People tend to first of all attribute it to the tension and pressure here. It is probably a main factor, and there are other similar cases in other countries where the culture or the general life situation was/is very stressing (Japan, ex-Yogoslavia & more).
However this is a very simplistic answer to explain a historic development, which is way more complex.
I don't really have time to expand on that now. I should one day write it down- maybe I'll write a book about Israeli trance or trance in general one day.
I will say, though, that I think it has a lot to do with historic development in general in Israel in the late 80s and 90s and my generation that had for the first time a glimpse of normality in life when peace was coming into our lifes for the first time in 2000 years, while in the same time being exposed for the first time to extreme individualism coming here from America and to strong Asian spiritual experiences, plus a minor recreation of the 60s, which never really got here when they happened in the rest of the western world, drugs included.
The commercialization that occured, and that Kristian mentions briefly among his usuall offtopic bikering (please stick to the topic, mate, there are enough threads where you can expand on these favorite topic of yours), has a lot to do with the fact that my generation got "robbed" of this normality suddenly when the peace process collapsed and the region redegenerated (very quickly) into the previous way of existence. When that happened and when the drug haze cleared out- "reality" stiked, and a lot of people found it impossible to carry into their everyday lives a lot of the values they discovered during that very good period. In a way, like my mother observed yesterday, we are a lost generation.
But... I don't have time. So this is just a simplified glimpse into what I think about this. One day...
One thing I will add, though, is that you should also know that Israel was always a good place for different underground music. Nick Cave was selling ten times more albums here than anywhere else in the world (comparing the size of population) in the beginning of his carier. Radiohead became big in Israel with Creep, way before the rest of the world realized that it is the biggest rock group that exists these days, and there are many more examples.
And please stick to the question in hand, which is very interesting.
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Mahamudra (Sagiv)
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Posted : Apr 24, 2005 10:03
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psycho rasta
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Posted : Apr 24, 2005 22:48
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On 2005-04-22 20:03, snowflake wrote:
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On 2005-04-22 19:40, cykick wrote:
beats me... What relation between joining the israeli army and coming to India..????
exactly it seen like you have meet few israely guys in your life,in israel everyone smoke and do drugs,and not only after the army when ofcoures after 3 hard years people just exploid and do everything also before that from 15 to 70 almost everyone i know somke its unbelivble:))
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It has become sort of a custom in Israel, starting of the 1980's, that most of the Israeli youth, after finishing it's military service (which is compolsory, well sort off...), goes travellig away from Israel. That's in order to clean the head, release the stress etc.
Now, the Far East (especialy India and Thailand) and South America became the most popular travelling destination.
So, when the trance scene started to evolve in Goa, there were allot Israelies that are willing to "take part of the experiment..."
and as you can see they didn't stop the experiment when they got back to Israel.
Naturaly, this is not the whole story. but you can see there's a strong connection between the 2.
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full_on
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Posted : Apr 24, 2005 23:40
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On 2005-04-24 23:21, http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=arrogant wrote:
arrogant:
1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
2. Marked by or arising from a feeling or assumption of one's superiority toward others
3. having or showing feelings of unwarranted importance out of overbearing pride.
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IMO your post had an arrogant content, because to me sounded like you think your opinion is right and that most artists in Israel who call themselves Psychedelic Trance Artists are not psychedelic. Maybe I'm being arrogant too, maybe my opinion is worth nothing. Or maybe you should open another topic: Why is 'Israel' Not psy.
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On 2005-04-24 01:41, HandA wrote:
Some people simply fail to debate here without taking things too personal.
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IMO this suits perfectly you.
It's not personal, it's just my opinion.
About the topic, which is "Why is 'Israel' so Psy?", I gave my opinion in the links on my last post. I think the posts of psycho rasta and shahar brings back some important stuff too.
Respect!
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 25, 2005 10:50
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On 2005-04-23 10:45, Mahamudra Crew wrote:
in israel of today its "CooL" to listen to trance, lol its even "Cooler" to make that shit 
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well.. i dont know if 50 years old wanna be "cool" but baisicly u right..
www.sattelbattle.com
http://yoavweinberg.weebly.com/ |
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Mahamudra (Sagiv)
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