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why is "art"so overpriced??
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xrust
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 01:06
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i am talking not only about music,but art in general---painting,architecture,design,acting etc...
i mean for example a good actor gets xxx thousands euros for a movie,while a man that works in constructions gets 40 euros per day...
and they both do a work,and they do it well..
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saintcarl
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 01:28
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don't most artists get paid very poorly hence there need for side job with only the few more popular ones making xxx thousands.
one thing i know for sure being a engineer is that the average engineer probably makes more than the average architect.
you are comparing a top actor to a average construction worker - probably better to compare to owner of construction company. |
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 02:16
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art is a very vague subject, just about anything can be considered art these days, if you see some of the contemporary plastic artists.
Music is sub-priced, because it’s so easily copied.
Literature and cinema, are suffering from a little bit of the same problem but still it’s not compared to the easy task of just copying a cd.
People still go to the movies every week by the billions.
But still it will come a day when even the cinema theatres will be overcome by internet digital wiring and home big screens and sound systems.
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Zman
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 02:41
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Yep as Spasm said, Art is an extremely ambiguous 'grey' area with absolutely no boundaries or limits. Depending upon what you personally define as art, pretty much anything including a work of construction (as you mentioned) can be considered as a work of art can't it?
However, getting to your point, the only reason art can sometimes be expensive is because it is claimed to be 'highly skilled labor' that cannot be re-created by any Tom, Dick & Harry if you get what i mean. Just how a teacher may not be able to carry out a computer programmers skills/tasks. But as days pass the concept of hybrids & variations are constantly coming up & the word 'artist' is tending to lose its exclusivity as almost anyone can become an artist today & pass it off as abstract art. Hence we are left with a large pool of so called 'artists' hiking the price of their work, making it look like something valuable. A great example is the psytrance genre, we have such few real musicians & so many abstract experimenters who also pass themselves off as musicians/artist. In reality are they artists? Off course they are, and there is no way anyone can deny them the title of being an artist. I find the art of a lot of these experimenting artists to be repulsive, but does that mean they are going to value their art any less? Definitely not because they genuinely believe their 'art' is worth some value.
But in general, like every other market, the arts industry has its own share of expensive & inexpensive goods. I think it isn't correct or accurate to make a blanket statement that 'art is overpriced' because it isn't. The contradiction to your statement infact lies within our very own dear genre - psytrance itself  I personally believe there are some artists who produce music that is worth more than what they get. As you must be knowing, the psytrance industry pays peanuts & artists really struggle to make a decent living from this music. Doesn't that just prove that the statement is invalid? If art was really that expensive the artists would also be raking in more incomes making this a economically viable line of work to live off, which in reality it isn't. It is highly dependent on other factors especially market conditions & demands.
Most importantly however, for every multi-millionaire movie actor/musician/painter etc. you will have a billion who are suffering trying to make a break through using their art. That is the reality of the situation.
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 02:50
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On 2008-02-12 01:06, xrust wrote:
i mean for example a good actor gets xxx thousands euros for a movie,while a man that works in constructions gets 40 euros per day...
and they both do a work,and they do it well..
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Yes but a constructions worker doesnt have to open his legs in order to get hired for a job LOL
Just joking ofcourse.
Well things are not as simple as you might think dear Xrust.
For every multimillionaire actor that you see on those Hollywood movies there are thousands other young people who are starving and are pennyless trying to find a small role and bring some food to their table.To make you realise how the system works i will inform you that all the casinos in Las Vegas have amazingly beautiful prostitutes in their bars/restaurands,both female and male,who 90% of them are young wannabe actors who failed in Hollywood and have to sell their good looks and body to make a living.
Same with musicians that perform on streets for some euros and painters that sell their works on the roads and many many other artists.
Becoming a successfull actor/painter/musician/sculptor or whatever demands a lot of knowledge,talent,dedication and efforts and thats why a highly talented artist of any proffesion is of high demand and gets payed a lot of money.
Everything is based on the law of demand and supply,the highest the demand and the lowest the supply then the bigger bucks involved for whoever manages to deliver the product which in our case is talent.
Everyone can find construction workers in our days but its not easy to find the next Robert Deniro or the next Al Pacino not to mention the next Monica Belluci hehe.
Oh by the way the minimum wage for a registered construction worker even in Greece is no less than 55-60 euros which still is not enough ofcourse.
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On 2008-02-12 02:50, DETOX wrote:
Becoming a successfull actor/painter/musician/sculptor or whatever demands a lot of knowledge,talent,dedication and efforts and thats why a highly talented artist of any proffesion is of high demand and gets payed a lot of money.
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Actually the spreading the legs part is, unfortunately, one of the ways to make it to the big bucks. Maybe not literally, but figuratively, in terms of kissing ass, shmoozing, networking and the kind of self promotion some true artists have a tendency to lack.
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 05:40
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Art is so valued beacuse true art is unique, perfect (what ever concept of perfection  ), sensible and require inovation.
How many people in the world can work at a construction?? everyone (except for childs under 8 and very old or ill people).
how many can create art? a few. And only very few can create masterworks.
And as many here said, part of real world conditions are public realtions that are neccesary for any carrer. |
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 06:46
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"Science can be taught, but art has to be imbibed" - Osho
the problem with valuing art is, till u dont understand it, it's worthless but wen u do understand it, it's priceless!! |
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 09:27
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Aside from the famous ones, Usually artists are not rich 
From dancers to painters, many of them are good and talented, but unfortunately not well paid 
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 11:02
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i'm spreading my legs all the time so where the fu¤k is the big money? give me my money! 
yeah, i agree that it's very weird how somebody gets paid hundreds and hundreds of millions per year for what he/she is doing (and i'm not only talking about arts) while at the same time so many struggle. nobody actually needs that kind an amount of money...
the bottom line is that we need everykind of talent from painter to construction worker. it's very sad to see how many disrespect so called simple jobs such as cleaner, garbage disposer, nurse, handyman etc. because without them we would be facing very real and serious problems in our society.
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As far as I have seen... once a good artist becomes rich, his/her quality of art degrades pathetically. They think they know all shit about art once they become popular and are invited to play in every other gig in town...! My point here is, if any artist wants to make a living out of producing psytrance, he should stop producing psytrance and think of techno, pop or any similar genre like the mainstream trance artists...
WTF! You cant expect to keep psytrance underground and become rich or as a matter of fact , earn a living out of it! Very few artists are talented enough to be able to achieve this.. for example Ocelot..!
Regarding making illegal copies aka piracy... LOL! These days everything can be pirated... starting from movies to music to medicines to food..!  I have never seen anyone of my buddies here in India using ORIGINAL software/music! I'm proud to say that I myself do... not always, but to the extent i can afford.
Piracy is as active in any other genre of music, movies or anything that can be distributed in digital format... STOP bitching about all this and do what you do best! Produce music.. mix it... listen to it and STFU..!
Writing a few posts on forums aint gonna stop piracy..
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 11:36
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163 Million $´s worth of art stolen... and that counts to only 3 paintings!
Thas what i call OVERPRICED!!!
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The problem with art and actually the problem in general haunting the world can be sumarized in two acts.....distribuition of wealth and expeculation!!!!!
One of the main features of our econmical/financial system is the hability to nominate value based on fictional features...offer/demand are two realities easely manipulated, two tools in service of the main players. Also the distribuiton of wealth deals with the fact that 1% of the population actually owns 90& of the production (wealth).
So, the main question and answer at same time is....art being a good of "subjective" avaliation, its value is determined not by its "real" value but by the a system that is able to determinate (and impose) values on every single reality - the name is capitalism, the game is domination.
Though its very hard to (co)exist outside this reality its at the same time up to us to say no and live in a diferent way....
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 14:18
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Does real art have a price?
Can money buy anything?
Why the artists have to sell their art in order to live?
Why the artists have to sell their soul in order to be popular?
It's the f**king economical system.
It's capitalism.
It's better to help the artists with giving them respect ;a place to live ; something to eat and drink; communication ; love BUT not always money...
Because when they create art money must not be the reason.....
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On 2008-02-12 14:18, Jedi_knight wrote:
Does real art have a price?
Can money buy anything?
Why the artists have to sell their art in order to live?
Why the artists have to sell their soul in order to be popular?
It's the f**king economical system.
It's capitalism.
It's better to help the artists with giving them respect ;a place to live ; something to eat and drink; communication ; love BUT not always money...
Because when they create art money must not be the reason.....
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Let me answer each point:
Yes
Yes
Better than a dayjob
They don't - it just helps
True
So?
... no, no, no, no, true and irrelevant, and finally: why not, as money can buy all of these.
With all due respect - Britney Spears give more people the joy of music appreciation than psytrance ever did, therefor, she is more popular, and makes more money. Then again - Simon Posford will be remembered and appreciated in 50 years, and she will be remembered - as a "what the hell were we thinking?!" anecdote. But I bet Britney's house is bigger. |
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