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why is "art"so overpriced??
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heretical
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Posted : Feb 16, 2008 19:38
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On 2008-02-12 17:48, Login wrote:
Market people!! MARKET!!!!!!
Art is so expensive some times because there are very few masterpieces and a lot of people willing to to buy them, demand and supply laws!!!
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Not much more to it than that.
If your talking painting a big part of the demand is because so many rich/money class people love paintings. I would love to buy an original Gauguin, but since there is only 1 of my fav so would alot of other people with far more money than I. I imagine this is just an outcome of an unbroken line from the pre photography days when the only way to get a lasting picture was to have an artist paint your portrait. Only the rich were able to afford that. |
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monno
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gimme sum moneys!!!
well i for one certainly don´t mind getting paid for my services, in fact the more the better. Since i actually maintain a proper studio and not just a laptop and a cracked version of cubase, money is quite important to me! Never cared much for anything else fancy, but knobs and levers let me put some energy back in the world to help compensate for the decadent, consumerist bastard that i am  I am always in the red, and try not to have a day job besides, since i would have a hard time figuring out when i would have the energy to make music, after 8 hours at a random office. Never gonna be rich from this music, but can´t i at least expect a certain minimum of living or should i live of dirt and expect everything to be free? Ego,wealth and fame is plentiful on this planet for those that really want it, but one would have to be excessively retarded to be seeking that within this little scene as the prime ambitions or goals.
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Spasm
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Posted : Feb 18, 2008 01:39
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On 2008-02-12 21:08, Spasm wrote:
A true artist is not even considering ego, market or money (not everyone obviously), art its what they do and they cant help it.
If he becomes successful, good, but most artists are more concerned in the art making itself then the eventuality of success, fame or ego.
The real ego trip on the artist in creation.
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I get the impression you've not met very many 'true' artists...
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well i'm thinking the exact same thing about you, what are the odds... |
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Zman
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Posted : Feb 19, 2008 16:58
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Quality art is priceless ---> very little of that in psytrance though  |
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i am talking not only about music,but art in general---painting,architecture,design,acting etc...
i mean for example a good actor gets xxx thousands euros for a movie,while a man that works in constructions gets 40 euros per day...
and they both do a work,and they do it well..
smoke and talk 
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imagine its like 90 percent of the carpenters getting paid nothing or little a day.. (not even an hour)
and then one or two carpenters get paid a shitload of money per hour...
i dont think art is overpriced. the few actors who get shitloads of money get it through loads and loads of movie theater tickets etc... each at a reasonable fee the market bears or you wouldnt buy it - as millions and zillions do...
perhaps there is something along the lines of cd prices maybe 2x what they could be if it were efficient and not filled with middlemen...
dont forget you are looking at the pop culture model here...
i think you should see all the low priced and free art around you. some is even created and then destroyed! some you can take part in...
art is life.
art is everywhere..
now why tell me, is unprocessed sugar more expensive then processed sugar?
or rather, why tool up to make the processed thing so widespread and cheap, when at the same economic scale its cheaper unrefined (given the same scale of production/distribution i say)
its not TOO hard to adjust peoples tastes over time... look at the shifts in diet and food products- trends. etc...
i tell you- fuck soda pop (coke) bacardi breezers, smirnoff ice all that shit
take some lemon or lime juice, mix with sugar cane juice, and some nice water, and add some bubbles (carbonate it? but why CO2 {the poison we exhale} when we could use helium or nitrous oxide for example?) perhaps add alcohol if we are trying to imitate a breezer ice thingie...
i tell you - the REAL questions n life... |
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rodram
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Posted : Mar 14, 2008 12:42
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well, there is no price for art, it is unique and goes deep into your psyche ( real art) it comes from another dimension and brings information and sometimes enlightenment with it.
Its very rare, therfor very expensive.
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heretical
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Posted : Mar 14, 2008 15:33
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i think you should see all the low priced and free art around you.
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to get back to painting, all you have to do is check out ebay to find some amazing low priced paintings. Hell, even reproductions of famous paintings. Can buy a poster for 15 bucks of a Monet or 40 bucks for a reproduction on actual canvas.
If you look on ebay under the painting category for artist who are selling their own work, everday there is incredible stuff for a 100 bucks. I bought an amazing abstract triptych thats 3, 2 by 3 foot canvas for 60 bucks. |
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rodram
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Posted : Mar 14, 2008 17:12
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yes, ebay is a great place to buy almost anything.
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MahaYagYatma
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Posted : Mar 15, 2008 06:03
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yea man common facts.. but a good topic to think about and make a diffrence... i mean not making art so commercialised.. ya rite its expensive...? |
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Posted : Mar 16, 2008 17:17
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what is expensive?
Cars are expensive, appartments are expensive, a mac is expensive, and these are basic necessities. ( hehe good french wine is very expensive, why is that so) |
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Posted : Mar 16, 2008 21:03
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mac's are a basic commoditie? cars? |
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Posted : Mar 16, 2008 21:24
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Why is "art"so overpriced??
Because art is unique.
Real masterpieces are priceless.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Mar 17, 2008 01:51
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On 2008-02-18 01:39, Spasm wrote:
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On 2008-02-16 18:58, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2008-02-12 21:08, Spasm wrote:
A true artist is not even considering ego, market or money (not everyone obviously), art its what they do and they cant help it.
If he becomes successful, good, but most artists are more concerned in the art making itself then the eventuality of success, fame or ego.
The real ego trip on the artist in creation.
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I get the impression you've not met very many 'true' artists...
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well i'm thinking the exact same thing about you, what are the odds...
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Well I never met Salvador Dali but there was a true artist who was definitely out to get as much fame and recognition as he could. More recently I think Damion Hurst and Banksy from the UK are also fairly egotistical people who are trying to get their name and work in front of as many people as possible. In general I think that most of the artists who have some kind of recognition outside their own countries are pushing the fame angle; no matter how talented you are, you just don't get that well known without deliberately trying.
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Spasm
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Posted : Mar 17, 2008 02:02
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This is very subjective, and i understand your sarcasm.
Attention, fame and recognition is one thing ego to my belief only happens in the creative process.. once again subjective
The essence of art is the relation between creator and creature.
The outside world is just audience. |
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heretical
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Posted : Mar 17, 2008 15:58
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This is very subjective, and i understand your sarcasm.
Attention, fame and recognition is one thing ego to my belief only happens in the creative process.. once again subjective
The essence of art is the relation between creator and creature.
The outside world is just audience.
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bath, just some philosophical nonsense that there is some value in "the starving artist". Dali is a great example, google "dali commercial" on youtube to see him do a commercial for chocolate.
It comes down to that art is pretty worthless as a commodity. A great artist either self promotes or is promoted after death by someone else. Less, no one ever hears, sees, or feels their art, let alone pay a decent amount of money for it. |
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