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why is "art"so overpriced??
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Zman
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 15:01
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On 2008-02-12 11:36, Mad Purple State wrote:
163 Million $´s worth of art stolen... and that counts to only 3 paintings!
Thas what i call OVERPRICED!!!
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+ 1..hehe so true Mad but offcourse that price is only generated upon the demand of those paintings & what some people were "willing" to pay  |
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 16:15
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cant really relate an artist with a common worker
an artist put his soul, mind, heart and much more time/days/month to get a result and cannot sell all of his work never.
a worker is simple goin to his job, done and get payed, most of the time just using his body to work and not his mind.
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Ellon
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 16:38
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On 2008-02-12 14:18, Jedi_knight wrote:
Does real art have a price?
Can money buy anything?
Why the artists have to sell their art in order to live?
Why the artists have to sell their soul in order to be popular?
It's the f**king economical system.
It's capitalism.
It's better to help the artists with giving them respect ;a place to live ; something to eat and drink; communication ; love BUT not always money...
Because when they create art money must not be the reason.....
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Let me answer each point:
Yes
Yes
Better than a dayjob
They don't - it just helps
True
So?
... no, no, no, no, true and irrelevant, and finally: why not, as money can buy all of these.
With all due respect - Britney Spears give more people the joy of music appreciation than psytrance ever did, therefor, she is more popular, and makes more money. Then again - Simon Posford will be remembered and appreciated in 50 years, and she will be remembered - as a "what the hell were we thinking?!" anecdote. But I bet Britney's house is bigger.
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"give more people the joy of music appreciation than psytrance ever did"....well this is a good example how quantification of non-quantifiable "realities" works.
Though Jedi_Kinght can have a more passionate approach to the subject it doesnt take the meaning of his words....
"true" artists produce because they cannot avoid not doing so....but the moment you sell your soul the "tittle" goes along. You simple stop being an individual who creates something, and became a product disposable whenever you stop being profitable.
But if the size of the house is what actually matters in life than this system is a valid one at least for the 1% who actually get the house and serve as bait for the rest who will work their asses-off trying to get the house - something that of course is not gonna happen.
I dont pretend to be this anti-capitalism warrior but the "so what attitude" towards a system that enslaves (right word) billions of people under words as peace, freedom or free market (a false concept)....gives away someone who doesnt know, doesnt care or finally promotes "whats going on".....
Its sad to see the "so what" attitude being passed as the "correct" one towards such realities....
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Bender B. Rodriguez
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 17:06
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Art is overpriced, as so many other things are. I mean, look at the football and sport stars in general. Dose Ronaldo deserve a multi million dollar wage? A dude who finished only a few grades of school. Dose Kevin Garnett really deserve his 22 million per year? IMHO no...
But in reality it`s different. Those people attract income, and they serve their bosses (owners), a big purpose. A lot of money is invested in them, they are exposed as much to the public as it is possible, and thus people tend to think that their wages and income are justified. They become stars, much larger than they actually are on the pitch. And people like stars, and have no problem giving (serious) money to see them play.
Basically, the same goes for art. A pieces of art can not be viewed as an object totally detached from other pieces of art, and art in general. It is the story that is behind the art object that makes it big, that makes it a masterpiece. Today, everybody can have a good story behind them, thanks to the humongous marketing machinery that is ever present. Therefore, many fake masterpieces are created. Even if they lack true quality, they are labeled as masterpieces and their price matches, what they represent.
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 17:48
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Market people!! MARKET!!!!!!
Art is so expensive some times because there are very few masterpieces and a lot of people willing to to buy them, demand and supply laws!!!
Any way true artist will not care their house size, in fact most of them will be happy with a big ego.
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 21:08
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I don’t think so
A true artist is not even considering ego, market or money (not everyone obviously), art its what they do and they cant help it.
If he becomes successful, good, but most artists are more concerned in the art making itself then the eventuality of success, fame or ego.
The real ego trip on the artist in creation.
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Ellon
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Posted : Feb 12, 2008 21:13
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Soul Kontakt
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I don't think that true art has a price because it's like cheap to put a price on nature no? But with todays options there is no way you can live without making some money and i am sure that every artist wants to get some money from the thing he loves and wants to do most! If not how can he be happy and express himself to the fullest. Also an artist continually needs tools which may be very expensive so were is he going to get that money? Part-time job? mmmm not enough but maybe he can do it...Some Art may be overpriced while another is under priced the thing is if people buy it they are helping the artist that's all! and we need art it's like food for our brain no?
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Posted : Feb 13, 2008 13:46
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Zman
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Posted : Feb 13, 2008 14:40
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On 2008-02-13 13:46, Fragletrollet wrote:
Good music is really underpriced in my opinion. How can you set a price on those divine moments good music has brought us?
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Fingax
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Posted : Feb 16, 2008 12:09
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the word art nowadays is a marketing tool used by capitalist cooperations and to be honest there is very little music being defined as art. being the most successful music corporations selling pop, who the hell can define it as art? ok so bring me pop art such as pop music or just some random paper boxes from the 60's, art is a product..
ofcourse i try not to belive it but its what i see around nowadays..
anyway, thers plenty cool creative and fresh stuff coming around from the 4 corners of the world in all kind of creative areas, but usually there is no point in commercialize it nor mass propagand it. usually u find this in close and small circuits. back to your main question, if thers anything in this world that must cost something, then let it be art. as far as i know many ppl concidered "genious artists" were poor, and only got recognition after dead, leading to all profit goes to every1 but them. exploiting art is becoming a trend , i dont belive such thing happened lets say 200, 500, 1000 or even 2000 years ago..
but thers an interesting point as well. usually any kind of art requires alot of education in order to exist, i meen u study music, u pay for it, u invest years learning it, and then u create music.. if u spent years learning it, lot of money etc why shouldnt you get it back? i think is better like that then just see the big capitalist corporations exploiting the public and labeling a product as art.
is up to us to educate this corporations, and not be educated by them
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Posted : Feb 16, 2008 12:45
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Outolintu
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Posted : Feb 16, 2008 16:27
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On 2008-02-12 16:15, wicc@ wrote:
cant really relate an artist with a common worker
an artist put his soul, mind, heart and much more time/days/month to get a result and cannot sell all of his work never.
a worker is simple goin to his job, done and get payed, most of the time just using his body to work and not his mind.
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it's not WHAT you do it's HOW you do it
there are plenty of artists doing "artist
stuff" with the attitude you describe as workmanship like and there are plenty of "simple workers" putting their soul, heart and mind into their everyday chores. it's called DEDICATION to whatever you're doing.
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Colin OOOD
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