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Why aren't tracks more DJ-friendly?

~d2~
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 16:29
hit pause, set up some more cue points, bring the fader across and back effectively cutting out those bars.

There are so many different ways of working around it.
RK9
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 16:44
Yes, once I buy CDJ-1000s I'm sure I'll have plenty of fun doing that but for now I'm stuck with this $180 stanton rackmount unit on which none of that is feasible

Here I clipped the ending of the track out in audacity so you can see what I'm talking about:

http://soda.berkeley.edu/~rfm/unmixableoutro.mp3
BrainLizzard


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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 16:58
Frightmarez - GORUMP PEYYA, original release and people say it was a glitch in the mastering. As a bonus for a TrainWreck in the middle, Keep the Hate - Odd Harmonic

Trainwreck again to create balance and add a choo choo train sample if you have one, drop some screams while your at it. For fun stop the whole wreck and scream party as load as you can the drop the nastiest track you have. Djing just isn't about mixing, don't forget your a performer as well.

I mix on many decks so I would untrainwreck it by matching beats with the train itself.






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RK9
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 17:10
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Trainwreck again to create balance and add a choo choo train sample if you have one.

Sorry, I spit coffee all over my keyboard. Can you say that again?
~d2~
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 17:10
If you have a x-fader on your mixer you can work around it. Where there is a will there is a way.
RK9
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 17:11
I am not seeing how I can fix tracks not being lined up with the crossfader. Please educate me.

Let's say I start the outgoing track on the first beat after that breakdown. The tracks will be lined up UNTIL the extra bar at about 1:07 in that clip I posted.

At that point, the incoming track will be one bar ahead of the outgoing one in phrasing, so the incoming track's fills and drops will come one bar earlier.

And then again at 1:37 it gets made even worse by ANOTHER extra bar.
BrainLizzard


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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 17:13
again...

Frightmarez - GORUMP PEYYA, original release and people say it was a glitch in the mastering. As a bonus for a TrainWreck in the middle, Keep the Hate - Odd Harmonic

Trainwreck again to create balance and add a choo choo train sample if you have one, drop some screams while your at it. For fun, stop the whole wreck and scream "party" as load as you can then drop the nastiest track you have. Djing just isn't about mixing, don't forget your a performer as well.

I mix on many decks so I would untrainwreck it by matching beats with the train itself.

Its suppose to be funny and make coffee fly from your mouth.. life/mixing should be taken so serious, it takes away the Joy and also relaxes the ego..
          


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RK9
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 17:16
So in other words, don't mix?
BrainLizzard


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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 17:17
Did I say don't mix or is that your perception?

If your CD started to skip would you beat match it for a smooth mix or would you just hit stop as you let the new track play?

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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 17:23
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On 2009-02-17 17:11, RK9 wrote:
I am not seeing how I can fix tracks not being lined up with the crossfader. Please educate me.

Let's say I start the outgoing track on the first beat after that breakdown. The tracks will be lined up UNTIL the extra bar at about 1:07 in that clip I posted.


At that point, the incoming track will be one bar ahead of the outgoing one in phrasing, so the incoming track's fills and drops will come one bar earlier.

And then again at 1:37 it gets made even worse by ANOTHER extra bar.


The fader will be across for those fills, so you won't hear them.
RK9
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 17:37
It's not just the fills though, the melody and drumbeat in general sounds out of sync.

Here I recorded a transition just to show you how bad it is: http://soda.berkeley.edu/~rfm/trans.mp3
~d2~
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 17:43
The link isn't working for me.

Why do you have to wait for the outro to overlay the tracks?
BrainLizzard


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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 17:52
Trainwreck RK9 is also a type of weed, when a three way goes terribly wrong, a halt ending in confusion and can sound like shoes in the dryer.

Please don't forget about the Harmonics of the TrainWreck, you can work from that angle as well. If you can get control of the wreck with your ears and hand coordination you can find a compatible key and take the flow back, as if you never lost it.

There are also tons of turntablelism tricks as well.

Try without the fader.

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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 18:13
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On 2009-02-17 17:16, RK9 wrote:
So in other words, don't mix?


Goa Gil doesn't, why should we?
          
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RK9
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 18:21
Okay rehosted the MP3s on a different host

Bad: http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~rfm/trans.mp3

And here, chopped together with the use of audacity, is what I want it to sound like: http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~rfm/bettertrans.mp3

To answer your question, I've found a couple of other good mixout points, but they're so early in the track that I've scarcely finished mixing IN to it at that point. So it's not practical, especially since I need to give myself time to pick the next track anyway.
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