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Why aren't tracks more DJ-friendly?

supergroover
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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 14:22
If you value track selection above mixing that is fine. But not mixing well is just being lazy imho. Why leave out a whole bunch of tricks that can aid the journey?           soundcloud.com/supergroover
daio


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Posted : Apr 29, 2010 20:35
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On 2010-04-28 11:31, mubali wrote:
there's a lot of djs that feel that by beatmixing, they are destroying the journey of the tune. (I do not)



well that depends from the kind of the music for sure...!
talking about darkpsy i think the opposite!maybe the best style of trance to beatmix!
Anyer
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Posted : Jun 7, 2010 11:10
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On 2009-02-14 18:20, disco hooligans wrote:
Dark trance DJs dont care about mixing tunes together. They just trainwreck the fuck out of everything, its the style and the whole breaking the rules thing.
Goa Gill does it all the time. He is the best DJ in the genre.




hahahaha... i agree completly...
Shiranui
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Posted : Jun 9, 2010 14:27
If you've got higher end CDJs (1000s or 800s) or the right kind of computer mixing software you can create really smooth-sounding transitions even without beatmatching.

Unfortunately even relatively large festivals often stick you with CDJ100s which don't even have a loop feature.
karmicsuture


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Posted : Oct 18, 2010 23:36
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On 2009-02-14 14:38, ~d2~ wrote:
DJing isn't hard. With the tools that are available you shoudln't be complaining about DJ friendliness.

There are too many poor DJs. We need to start sorting this out.

I say ban anyone from DJing who complains about DJ friendliness.






lol           Wise decision to consider music a religion, one thing certain is that the existence of such maintains balance and harmony within this world. Attributes such as stimulation of intelligence and relativity to the perfection of mathematical equations make it
mudpeople
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Posted : Oct 22, 2010 23:18
I think generally tracks are pretty friendly, with the breaks at the end of patterns to remind you when to start counting if need be, but lots of tracks' rhythms make it pretty easy to know where in the measures you are. Barring the occasional single-bar or -measure break its all 32 beats/pattern with something indicating the end of the 32 like percussion work or smth idk w/e.

Of course, there are exceptions, some styles, im thinking specifically of one proggy track, seem designed to throw off the 32-count if you're not paying attention. No indications of breaks between patterns, repeating single-bar percussion... But that means you just have to be that much more aware. Its almost like a challenge from the artists, tracks like that. Besides who wants to hear the same 32 beats with the same bass-note cut or kick fill at the end all the time?

Id say if you want dj-friendly, play house. That stuff, if you miss your count on THAT... Give your headphones to someone who can put them to real use and be content as a dancer/enthusiast.

IMO psytrance isn't meant to provide an easy mixing experience, but in my experience, if you pay enough attention, and the way I get energized while playing its hard not to dance out the count like a grinning fool.

And, to be fair I play 'darkpsy' and pay close attention to mixing, blending, matching beats and patterns, and when to drop in the next track entirely. I guess I come from a more mainstream-raver background, where djs are held to higher standards. Im a pretty harsh critic of myself. Ive heard some djs blend MAYBE 60 seconds of the 2 tracks together, usually dropping the next track in all forceful. I like it smooth, to EQ it in slowly, to ride the outgoing track til its energy starts to fade a bit, bringing in the high or mids of the incoming track so they mesh well with the outgoing. Sometimes its fun to blend low ends, sometimes you hear that cue, the 32-count ending indicator, of the incoming track and flop the low end from out to incoming one kick note before the beginning of the incoming track's pattern beginning, when the bass of the incoming track is cut out, and it sounds like the bass of the outgoing track is cut, or whatnot. Sometimes the incoming track has a break wiht no kick or a weird bass, something around 2 mins into it (I like to blend at least 2 mins), then you can just fade out the outgoing artfully and smoothly (i like to assume that anything i do to the mixer can be heard by the dancers so i try to make every EQ or volume fade smooth). I usually let the outgoing track continue at something like -3db through the next one with the high cut like 15-20%, bass cut completely, and mids MAYBE going full, maybe cut 5-10%. Or whatever. Its fun to try new things, new ways to blend tracks and smoothly bring in new ones. Its surprising to me that its common with psytrance, especially the harder stuff, to have djs who don't spend a lot of time actually mixing... Whatever though in honesty Ive had fun dancing to shit djs plenty. I just never wanted to be one.

And I have too much fun doing it my way.           .
Anyer
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Posted : Dec 1, 2010 13:30
Quote:

On 2010-10-22 23:18, mudpeople wrote:
I think generally tracks are pretty friendly, with the breaks at the end of patterns to remind you when to start counting if need be, but lots of tracks' rhythms make it pretty easy to know where in the measures you are. Barring the occasional single-bar or -measure break its all 32 beats/pattern with something indicating the end of the 32 like percussion work or smth idk w/e.

Of course, there are exceptions, some styles, im thinking specifically of one proggy track, seem designed to throw off the 32-count if you're not paying attention. No indications of breaks between patterns, repeating single-bar percussion... But that means you just have to be that much more aware. Its almost like a challenge from the artists, tracks like that. Besides who wants to hear the same 32 beats with the same bass-note cut or kick fill at the end all the time?

Id say if you want dj-friendly, play house. That stuff, if you miss your count on THAT... Give your headphones to someone who can put them to real use and be content as a dancer/enthusiast.

IMO psytrance isn't meant to provide an easy mixing experience, but in my experience, if you pay enough attention, and the way I get energized while playing its hard not to dance out the count like a grinning fool.

And, to be fair I play 'darkpsy' and pay close attention to mixing, blending, matching beats and patterns, and when to drop in the next track entirely. I guess I come from a more mainstream-raver background, where djs are held to higher standards. Im a pretty harsh critic of myself. Ive heard some djs blend MAYBE 60 seconds of the 2 tracks together, usually dropping the next track in all forceful. I like it smooth, to EQ it in slowly, to ride the outgoing track til its energy starts to fade a bit, bringing in the high or mids of the incoming track so they mesh well with the outgoing. Sometimes its fun to blend low ends, sometimes you hear that cue, the 32-count ending indicator, of the incoming track and flop the low end from out to incoming one kick note before the beginning of the incoming track's pattern beginning, when the bass of the incoming track is cut out, and it sounds like the bass of the outgoing track is cut, or whatnot. Sometimes the incoming track has a break wiht no kick or a weird bass, something around 2 mins into it (I like to blend at least 2 mins), then you can just fade out the outgoing artfully and smoothly (i like to assume that anything i do to the mixer can be heard by the dancers so i try to make every EQ or volume fade smooth). I usually let the outgoing track continue at something like -3db through the next one with the high cut like 15-20%, bass cut completely, and mids MAYBE going full, maybe cut 5-10%. Or whatever. Its fun to try new things, new ways to blend tracks and smoothly bring in new ones. Its surprising to me that its common with psytrance, especially the harder stuff, to have djs who don't spend a lot of time actually mixing... Whatever though in honesty Ive had fun dancing to shit djs plenty. I just never wanted to be one.

And I have too much fun doing it my way.




Mhmm...that's a Real Technical Aproach... I apreciate the Dedication of your Work, Keep Goin', Quality Skills are Really Rare This Days On DJ's...

I Agree Entirely in this (Except for the Darkpsy, somethin that im not SO into it, i mix more Progressive Sound Orientated...)

House ain't Friendly!!! ...well...@ least my Last Attempt was Frustrated Several times cu'z James Zabiela Remix from Remind me (oldie oldie...) goes like 126.3 ...

aight, pisses me Off but i was Able to Mix it Properlly...i belive there are REALLY REALLY ANOYING TRACKS that are made with the Pourpuse of beign uplayable...For the Average DJ...attention is the Key, Listening, and if you have a Pc Near to You (OBVIOUSLY...) look At the Wave form of the Track in Your Favorite DJ software (Traktor rules) to Study the Pattern ,and not Get Sourprised by some 1/2 bar kick that is lost...and trainwreckin the Stuff...(O.O.O.D- Durka Durka for Example ,when I manage to go over the 3:27 min tryin to reach the Break...lol...OOH DURKA DURKA DURKA)...



bla bla...Cheers!
piXan
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Posted : Dec 2, 2010 01:46
i think the reason is producers wanting to be on the spotlight!!!           www.soundcloud.com/elektroakustica/sets/downtempo/
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