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Why aren't tracks more DJ-friendly?

~d2~
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Posted : Feb 15, 2009 01:31
leave your ego at the door so I can get away with mixing like shit for 12 hours.


BrainLizzard


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Posted : Feb 15, 2009 20:54
Its so kick ass to hear someone saying something about DJ friendly tracks. It means not everyone is using software to mix for them. It takes a DJ that actually mixes to notice if its friendly or not. I agree that the skill of the DJ should be able to work around this problem but i also agree that not every DJ has the same skill, goals or cheat gear.

I remember the DJ only records back in the day.. they where extended in length and had lots of other bonuses for the Dj to have fun with, even the CD maxi's afford bonuses
Most Artist today have less respect for Djs is one reason.

What's not friendly about the tracks you have found?





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Psynthex
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Posted : Feb 15, 2009 21:06
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On 2009-02-15 20:54, BrainLizzard wrote:
Its so kick ass to hear someone saying something about DJ friendly tracks. It means not everyone is using software to mix for them. It takes a DJ that actually mixes to notice if its friendly or not.





Every DJ needs to hear the tracks at least 3, 4 times first before he actually mix them. You should know the track. So, you should know the flow, how it goes and if its even suitable to the track before. You should know at least the basic structure of the track. You cant just get the track at 9pm and at 10pm you would play it. Thats not how it should be done by some good experienced DJs. I actually dont even want to play the track if i am not really sure about it. Its actually lame to play ( ok..at least for me ) a track which you just got and its in the beatport chart TOP 10..and you have heard onl 45 seconds of the preview...and you think later on..wauu its a good one...but actually its really strange one. So AGAIN: Every DJ should think of listening to the track many times before he actually plays it in public!! My opinion here.. dont judge me


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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Feb 15, 2009 21:11
major rule =) know your music!
BrainLizzard


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Posted : Feb 15, 2009 21:21
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On 2009-02-15 21:11, Dennis the menace wrote:
major rule =) know your music!




Very important, indeed..

I have a few tracks in my collection that train wreck at the end on purpose by the artist. If you don't know your music you may find a surprise.. Some train wrecks are on purpose by dj's and some aren't ...


          


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~d2~
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Posted : Feb 15, 2009 21:26
Hopefully this train wreck fad will be over soon.
RK9
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 15:35
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What's not friendly about the tracks you have found?

I gave an example in the original post. The track "Stage IV" off the Digital Drugs 3 compilation

It has two extra bars added in, which is something I've come to expect from darkpsy, except they're added in IN THE OUTRO, which means I can't mix out of it long unless I edit it, edit the track I'm mixing out into, or use something other than my cheap rackmount CD player so I can loop one bar on the other track (and I'm too poor for that )


And the person above doesn't understand what "trainwreck" means. A brake/rewind is not a trainwreck.

This does make me see why so many psytrance DJs use laptops though
~d2~
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 15:43
Of course you can still mix out of it. Its not rocket science



And i know what a train wreck is, I never said anything about brake or rewind. That is PURELY presumptuous on your part. Its borderline trolling.
RK9
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 15:58
okay give me an example of a track that "trainwrecks" at the end.

Which doesn't make sense to me because usually a trainwreck involves two tracks.

And also, please describe how you would mix out of that track
~d2~
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 16:06
When did I say that it was a single track?
RK9
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 16:08
Oh sorry I didn't look up. I was talking about BrainLizzard's post, not yours.
~d2~
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 16:13
With regards to the 2 extra bars added. Bring the X-fader across before you reach them.

You have a a x-fader on your mixer?
RK9
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 16:14
so you're telling me to short mix. Yes, I'm aware that I can do that, but I don't want to

If I'm not supposed to mix through the outro then why is the outro there? Why did the artist produce a part of the track that no one will ever hear because you can't mix through it? (I have this same question about the long ambient intros at the beginning of many psytrance tracks).

Say what you will about artistic blah blah blah but the fact remains:
- Psytrance is meant for the dance floor
- on the dance floor, music is played by DJs who, most of the time, beatmix
- If a part of your track can't be beatmixed no one will ever hear it unless your track happens to come at the beginning or end of a set.
~d2~
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 16:17
Why be silly about this?

If the outro is 2 bars longer then don't use those 2 bars. It is that simple.

"but I don't want to"

Find a different hobby. The whole world is not here to conform to what you want.

You can still mix through the outro. TRY IT!!!
RK9
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Posted : Feb 17, 2009 16:21
lol you misunderstand

the outro doesn't have two extra bars added to the END, it has two extra bars added at two different points in the MIDDLE

If you try to mix through it, the drops and fills in the two tracks won't line up and it sounds like crap.
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