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Why aren't tracks more DJ-friendly?
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 1, 2009 14:05
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On 2009-08-30 14:34, Shiranui wrote:
SCM I'm glad to see that you have done that!
However, not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but usually the difficulty is at the *beginning* of the track, not the end.
In the Spirallianz track I gave as an example, you can use the first church bell sound as a cue point, but then it is easy to confuse yourself because the church bell sounds after that are off-beat. Then the drums and bass fade in such that you can't really tell which is the FIRST bass drum because they start out so quiet, so it's very easy to over-correct or under-correct your beatmatching so that you end up a beat or two ahead or behind.
Here is what I feel like I like in an intro that I am able to beatmatch it well:
Some kind of sound on the first beat of every 4th bar. It does not have to be a kick drum but it should be some kind of sharp sound that you can easily tell exactly what time it happens. Ideally, the first one of these should be some multiple of sixteen bars before the first drop, but that isn't necessary. These sounds should have enough highs or mids that you can hear them clearly with the bass cut out.
The second helpful thing is to add some hi-hat or snare like sounds in the spots where such sounds would generally be. For example, you could put a little closed hi-hat after the four of each bar (one two three four-tsst-one two three four-tsst-one two three four...)
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Have you listened to those songs?
The have both relatively calm and clean beginnings which are no problem to beatmix. But both of them have a massive climax in the end. "past be past" climaxes and then goes into no-beats. So if you want to beatmix the endings of the originals of those two songs it's almost impossible not to mix into the climax.
For me this is probably the biggest and the most often heard SIN that DJ can do. To beatmix into the climax of a song and therefore most of the time destroying the final feeling of the song. I have done the additional beats in the end so that no DJ is forced to mix into the climaxes. There is now enough time after them to beatmix.
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Posted : Sep 26, 2009 14:20
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Posted : Oct 24, 2009 05:27
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On 2009-02-14 18:20, disco hooligans wrote:
Dark trance DJs dont care about mixing tunes together. They just trainwreck the fuck out of everything, its the style and the whole breaking the rules thing.
Goa Gill does it all the time. He is the best DJ in the genre.
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goa gil is a terrible dj. stands on stage barely moving, calls his followers to escort anyone off stage who dares to get too close to him and doesn't' even bother mixing at all.
not only that he ask to play stupidly long sets then ends up repeating tracks 3-4 times, pathetic.
to be honest psytrance djs seem to be on a whole miles behind most other genres of edm. the amount of times i've seen supposedly 'professional' djs and they can't/don't bother beat mixing is just pathetic.
on the other hand any other genre of dance music ie techno, house, whatever, the djs all at least have a solid technical foundation and skills with beat matching/whatever. i don't know why the skill levels seem so much lower in the psy scene. i don't agree that psytrance is 'harder' to mix then other styles, most tracks even the super fast glitchy stuff conforms to the usual 16-32-64 bar phrases. |
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 11:17
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On 2009-02-14 18:20, disco hooligans wrote:
Dark trance DJs dont care about mixing tunes together. They just trainwreck the fuck out of everything, its the style and the whole breaking the rules thing.
Goa Gill does it all the time. He is the best DJ in the genre.
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wow, that is so not true, at the time when i was spinning night music the last thing i wanted was to trainwreck.
I know my mixing quite good i guess and i did my best to make the transitions smooth even at that time.
And i dont know many dj's who doesn't care about the mixing, no matter what the music is!
No comment on gils mixing, but no he's not the best (when it comes to the actual mixing)
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Dogon
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Posted : Oct 25, 2009 16:20
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On 2009-10-25 11:17, Dennis the menace wrote:
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On 2009-02-14 18:20, disco hooligans wrote:
Dark trance DJs dont care about mixing tunes together. They just trainwreck the fuck out of everything, its the style and the whole breaking the rules thing.
Goa Gill does it all the time. He is the best DJ in the genre.
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wow, that is so not true, at the time when i was spinning night music the last thing i wanted was to trainwreck.
I know my mixing quite good i guess and i did my best to make the transitions smooth even at that time.
And i dont know many dj's who doesn't care about the mixing, no matter what the music is!
No comment on gils mixing, but no he's not the best (when it comes to the actual mixing)
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+ 1000, i have heard Dennis play dark set in Delhi & it was fuckin tight mixing, not even a single moment of train wrecking (busted generator was a turn off though).
Also most of the dark psy DJ/Live acts i have heard (And the list is long) do have pretty amazing mixing skills. Even heard Gil 4-5 times & last time (this year in April) he played on CDJs & he was mixing quite accurate!
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musick
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Posted : Nov 11, 2009 07:12
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Personally I do not like the idea of a beat at the beginning of the track. One of the very cool parts of psy trance is the way that the very beginning of a song can just meander and build with no obvious sound of a beat (which I find very cheesy at the start of a set).
This is why I personally favor tracks with a beatless intro then another build up into the actual track once the first beat drops. That way nothing is really lost if you don't mix with the intro. I think overusing intros slows down the mix and makes it boring. Tight fast mixing really makes crowds blow up. People want to see you working on stage at all times and love to hear a fast stream of fresh material so long as it is mixed well. Just standing around or bouncing aimlessly is a real buzz kill to those watching you, after all how can you expect others to dance and get excited about your music when you cant? I see faster mixing superior in most cases, then when you do play out a superior song for an extended period of time people will really take note and get into it. |
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Tablet
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Posted : Nov 14, 2009 20:10
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On 2009-02-14 12:12, Dennis the menace wrote:
but then again, its not the producers responsibility to make dj friendly track, its the dj´s who have to adapt to the music and not the other way 
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+1
Way too many DJs who cant mix. Dam shame really. Hopefully the scene sorts its self out soon. |
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Shiranui
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Posted : Nov 24, 2009 19:15
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On 2009-11-11 07:12, musick wrote:
I think overusing intros slows down the mix and makes it boring. Tight fast mixing really makes crowds blow up. |
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That's true with all dance music. The thing is, I've found a lot of psy tracks where the intro is VERY cool sounding but the middle of the track is generic and lame, so it makes me want to use the intro. |
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Elad
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Posted : Dec 3, 2009 14:07
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Elad
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Posted : Jan 13, 2010 20:17
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On 2009-11-14 20:10, Tablet wrote:
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On 2009-02-14 12:12, Dennis the menace wrote:
but then again, its not the producers responsibility to make dj friendly track, its the dj´s who have to adapt to the music and not the other way
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+1
Way too many DJs who cant mix. Dam shame really. Hopefully the scene sorts its self out soon.
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+2..!
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 17, 2010 20:01
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On 2009-10-25 11:17, Dennis the menace wrote:
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On 2009-02-14 18:20, disco hooligans wrote:
Dark trance DJs dont care about mixing tunes together. They just trainwreck the fuck out of everything, its the style and the whole breaking the rules thing.
Goa Gill does it all the time. He is the best DJ in the genre.
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wow, that is so not true, at the time when i was spinning night music the last thing i wanted was to trainwreck.
I know my mixing quite good i guess and i did my best to make the transitions smooth even at that time.
And i dont know many dj's who doesn't care about the mixing, no matter what the music is!
No comment on gils mixing, but no he's not the best (when it comes to the actual mixing)
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You are speaking for you self though. I assume you go to parties and have an idea of what is going on generally. No Gill is not the best for sure, but he is hailed (by most followers of this sub-genre) as the best.
Anyhow what I am saying is that genrally psy-trance has people playing main slots with very poor technical skills when it comes to DJing. And I don't understand if "our music is so cutting edge" why are (an awful lot of them) "our" DJs, so shite?
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Apr 17, 2010 21:33
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Blame the organizers 
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mubali
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Posted : Apr 28, 2010 11:31
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there's a lot of djs that feel that by beatmixing, they are destroying the journey of the tune. (I do not)
There's actually quite a few good dj's that play night time music, and perhaps the lack of dj skills are more region specific. For instance, there's a higher percentage of djs that actually mix pretty well in the US as opposed to in other places. However, there's less artists.... A lot of dj's in the states came from another genre of dance music, and thus were required to know how to mix before even getting their hands on trance and cdjs... I used to be a Junglist
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Shiranui
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Posted : Apr 28, 2010 20:21
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That's a really interesting observation, Greg.
It's funny because in other scenes it's kind of the other way around. I've been going to more and more burningman-centric parties and been finding that a lot of DJs in that scene value track selection above all else and don't even bother beatmatching (even though they're playing music like electro and darkwave which could be beatmatched easily).
I talked to a DJ recently who lives at otherworld and he says that when he spins in california it doesn't matter how much he trainwrecks as long as he plays good tracks, but the one time he spun in europe, the first unsmooth transition caused everyone to leave the dancefloor. |
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