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DiMiTry
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Posted : Aug 22, 2004 00:17
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On 2004-08-20 12:45, psypox wrote:
i'm laughing of your opinion... my opinion is that you can take dj clown in the hand and go play at home, were you play music for the crowd and dont have BPMcounters..
you are saying that djs who dont play for the crowd shudt stay home?? maybe it's just you a clown who need to play for the crowd, because you have so shitty taste.. the crowd diggg my taste.. 
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Psypox, i am happy the crowd digs your taste. must make you feel like a real champ.
For me, DJing is a lot more than simply playing your favorite tracks to your friends who all have the same taste in music. It depends on a lot of things - what kind of crowd you play to, what kind of venue (indoor, club, outdoor, etc), what kind of substances the people are on (makes a HUGE difference), what time you're playing, etc.
you gotta be in the moment, feel the vibe, and play what feels right, which may or may not be your favorite track.
but if you just want to hear your favorite tracks played loud, maybe you should stick to the headphones. 
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Pointy
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Posted : Aug 22, 2004 21:13
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Wow...
I am not a DJ, I am a 'Dancer' and if I hadn't suspected it anyway, I would be shocked to read that there really is some DJs out there playing music 'for themselves'.
I absolutly support DiMiTry here.
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On 2004-08-17 19:18, DiMiTry wrote:
you are playing for a crowd of people most of whom are high and sensitive to the music, and you have to lead them with your music into some magical place. so take your Dj mission seriously.
but only play tracks that you like.
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You are taking on a certain responsibility when you are DJing, if you are not aware of that and think playing infront of other people is for you to have fun, then you should really stay at home.
Playing for the crowd doesnt mean to be "spinning popular tracks" and becomeing an "organic jukebox", it means to be sensitive to the people and what is happening Here&Now. |
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psypox
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Posted : Aug 23, 2004 01:25
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On 2004-08-21 23:15, Ron Lyner wrote:
i play for myself and thats why i think im a bad dj..
i dont care if the people dont like the music i play as long as im having fun 
i play sets that i want to hear myself at parties, if someone dont like it so its his problem cause thats my music,
if they like it then its making it more fun, but i wont play music i dont like just for them to love it.
i just play with the hope they'll like what im playing
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like a glowe!
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clown
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Posted : Aug 23, 2004 07:57
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On 2004-08-20 12:45, psypox wrote:
i'm laughing of your opinion... my opinion is that you can take dj clown in the hand and go play at home, were you play music for the crowd and dont have BPMcounters..
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You talking about me????
If so or if not, your opinion has nothing to do with the inital question, therefor is it really an opinion or is it a personal attack??
what do bpm counters have to do with anything right just now?? do they affect your track selection?? maybe they do, because without them you always play tracks at the same BPM to ensure you don't trainwreck..
Not everyone plays at small underground parties with 50 people diggin the same style of music.. if you play at a big party, where not everyone listens to psytrance, and your playing some progressive minimal dark stuff, people most probably WILL NOT dance.. how does that reflect on the dj? even if you LOVE those minimal dark tracks.??
There is the right time and place for every kind of music, depending on the crowed, the time allocated to the dj and personal taste..
Dont play music you hate, just to please others, but don't be egotistical when spinning n'either.. you can play what you really like at home.. a party is for the people.. they pay to see you spin (once again, im not talking about those 50 people parties.. if your only playing at 50 people parties and ranting about how much of a DJ you are, then there are some problems)..
My theory.. one for me, one for you.. i share.. what can i say, im born in October (Balance)..
"VA - REWIRED" OUT NOW !! (techtrance invasion) ---> http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/86303/forum/9
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Ron Lyner
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Posted : Aug 24, 2004 01:39
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dont the orginizers invite dj's that they think has a good taste in music and wants him to play his best ?
if the crowd isn't dancing its the problem of the orginizers cause they know what kind of music the dj play.
i think every dj comes to show his style and his personal taste in someway.
http://www.o-zen.com/art/ranal
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You wanna dance?!...I know a tune...it´s called stick and CUT!!
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TrancEisT
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Posted : Aug 24, 2004 10:47
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almost forgot this one!
http://tranceist.pic.co.il ( i can't direct link to the picture)
3rd picture - DAG AL HA DAN.
He rocked too. |
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kostas
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Posted : Aug 24, 2004 13:18
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On 2004-08-17 21:09, Zombi wrote:
i play for the girls...
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so you play for yourself? must be... |
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Zombi
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Posted : Aug 24, 2004 14:02
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On 2004-08-17 21:09, Zombi wrote:
i play for the girls...
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so you play for yourself? must be...
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pardon ??
Believe your soul ! |
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Pt.
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Posted : Aug 24, 2004 14:17
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hehehe... seems we'r gonna get a cat fight..
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WHEN I USED TO DJ IN GREECE... I was working in Crete / Hersonissos ... This is of cource a tourist place. So i had to play crap music. Because that was my job.. But when the crowd got drunk and the time turned to late.. I used to pump the music up slowly.. And boom... what do you know. They where dancing to psytrance.. (Scandinavian tourists are not so opendminded to music that they havnt heard on the radio)
So i think that as long as your not a professional DJ... And your just a DJ at a regular Club.. You'll have to play all kind of crappy music just to please the crowd and the managers.
So to be a well known DJ and so on must mean MORE freedom.
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Zombi
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Posted : Aug 24, 2004 14:29
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hope not, just cirious what he/she ment...
im in my post ment im playing groovey sexy music, which is a good for girls and when girls feel good so we all do so i guess..
if i play for myself only ? well, im not a big shot but have some 1000+ ppl parties in my resume, residence at supa cool progy club, 3 big festivals behind and almost every week gig at some of the best local and international progressive parties around.
Believe your soul ! |
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Krell
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Posted : Aug 24, 2004 15:43
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Hey Pointy
Quote Pointy "Playing for the crowd doesnt mean to be "spinning popular tracks" and becomeing an "organic jukebox", it means to be sensitive to the people and what is happening Here&Now. "
I do feel you are quoting the "organic jukebox" thing I said totally out of the context in which it was written. It is clear, that we have put differnet meanings into the phrase "playing for the crowd". I do agree with what you write.
I dont think there are any DJs who are not aware that they are playing for a crowd. What its all about is how you do it. DJs are different, some play a multitude of genres (like me), others specialize within 1 genre.
Its very much up to the organizers to ensure that they dont book DJs who wont fit into a line up - Like booking house djs for psy parties.
When DJs get BIG and WELL KNOWN, people will expect them to spin a certain genre - and I dont really think that it adds any kind of freedom to their ability to choose tracks for their sets. Rather the opposite.
As far as being "sensitive for the people" and to what is "happening here & now" - Its traits any good DJ needs to have. However, in order to create a really good set, you need to know the music really well - The music you know the best, is the music you love. That is the idea behind my approach to djing anyways.
Sooooo, playing for yourself, is a matter of loving the music you play - and then its up to YOUR TASTE AND STYLE as a DJ, how much the crowd will enjoy your djing skills. I can do different kinds of progressive trance and full on trance, and Id be listening to what others had played before me, in order to continue along the same lines + then force some kind of evolution in the set (maybe make things softer, harder, more psychedelic or whatever feels right).
You cant really judge everything from the dancers anyway - People who are not dancing, might not be dancing because they have been listening to the same style of trance for far too long. So, you need to have the balls to try something new also right ?:-)
However, I wouldnt want to set up rules for anyone... Whatever works, WORKS! Right ?
Regards
Krell
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Pointy
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Posted : Aug 24, 2004 16:28
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Right!
Have been contemplating about this "for the crowd" and "for yourself" formulation myself a bit more and was thinking, that it really depends on how you define it.
I agree with what you are saying Krell and I hope it is true, that the DJs are aware of the crowd and take their mission to guide them through the night seriously.
btw I am glad to hear, that you are listening to what other people are playing before you. Many DJs arrive to the party just before they are supposed to play and go home when their set is finished. |
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Phanatic
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Posted : Aug 24, 2004 17:22
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well im play to all (speical for the girls  ) but im play what i like .. thats the idea of the djing .. all dj have hes taste
hugs.
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clown
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Posted : Aug 24, 2004 21:32
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On 2004-08-24 01:39, Ron Lyner wrote:
dont the orginizers invite dj's that they think has a good taste in music and wants him to play his best ?
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Sadly, that is not always true.. maybe it is for BIG acts like label Dj's or artists, but not for the locals.. some times its more than just what style he plays.. sometimes you book a dj because he will book you in his next party out of town or something along those lines.. for personal benifit.
And if not, well, the promotors are human like the rest of us, and therefor have TASTE.. what did we establish about taste this week boys??? that TASTE VARIES from human to human. Its not all contries that are like Israel, where the MASS likes psytrance and hates techtrance.. but then, if you get an Israeli promotor that books a tech dj in his party, and he plays all 135 BPM'd styled music, im sure the crowed would sit down and fall asleep due to lack of interest (besides the odd one's that enjoy it) ..
Yeah, the tech dj can continue to play his music, reaching out to the three peopel dancing, and pissing off the 750 people sitting down.. but you honestly think people will want to hear that dj again in Israel??
"VA - REWIRED" OUT NOW !! (techtrance invasion) ---> http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/86303/forum/9
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raider
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Posted : Aug 25, 2004 00:46
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Just an addition, I chose to play for myself at an early gig at the Conzzept 04 party. Regardless of the few people dancing, I played what I liked to play and listen to, and people walked away from the place almost immediately.
I was literally playing for myself, in this huge place, alone. And it's not because I'm bad DJ, but I got careless about the people who were there.
But it didn't matter, it was an experiment I chose to make, cuz it was so early on the day. Yet, I would never have played exactly what I wanted to listen to, if it was a regular late-night gig. The DJ before me played Melicia, Astrix, GMS and alike, while I choose to play a lot of Parasense, GOW, Absolum, CPU, Talamasca. I've even tried to play, what I call the Absolum-style, on clubs before and people don't really dig it, even though I think it's the greatest. So... to get gigs, I believe you have to play what people wants to listen to. You can play for yourself in your bedroom. DJ'ing is a job, you have to be professioanl.
This sounds a bit harsh, not to express yourself as you want to and play whatever you desire, but there's still a lot of mainstream-ness in our music and environment - and many people simply doesn't want to listen to new and "different" music.
This is, of course, just my personal opinions and experiences. I would wish people would be open to "my music", but they simply ain't.
Not saying I don't dig regular fullon/israel full-on, I just prefer my so-called "Absolum-style" of full-on |
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