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what makes a track "psychedelic" ?
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Boulevard
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Posted : Jan 29, 2013 21:35
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Alot of natural sounds like the sound of a drop of water, birds chirping, ocean noises, animal sound if used correctly in a track can really make you dream and actually make you believe that you were there.
I love the dreamier kind of sound.
  Mushrooms make you do crazy stuff. Look at Mario he jumps on animal heads and fights with dragons. |
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bearpill
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 11:41
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Sorry only half a dozen people now only make "psychedelic trance", Scorb being one of them. |
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fruitopia
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 12:33
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composer's sugar cubes!  |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 17:38
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On 2013-01-29 20:21, TimeTraveller wrote:
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On 2013-01-29 19:42, BookFace wrote:
^ Father of sidechaining?,
whachu talkin bout willis? sidechaining was being used when he was still kid, At least to my knowledge I could be wrong
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ahhh yes I was confusing something here  Phil Colins is the first that used or discoverd the famous gated reverb (that was chartecteristic for the 80 sound) by playing with aux channels and sidechaining.
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Actually it was Hugh Padgham, Collins' engineer in the 1980s, who is credited with inventing the gated reverb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Padgham#The_.22gated_drum.22_sound
I actually came across this information when I was working in insurance during my degree in the early 1990s; one of my co-workers was Padham's assistant engineer on sessions with The Police, Phil Collins and Prince. God knows what he was doing working for Eagle Star.
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psychedanic
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 17:55
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On 2013-01-29 17:51, randulon wrote:
I hate so called forest and dark psy, it gives me a headache and puts me in mind of teenage goths who aren't very good with girls, sitting in front of their computer churning out "really psychedelic, non commercial shit mannnnnnnn" on Fruity Loops.
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Typical clichéd post by another ignorant progressive/full on listener. I'm guessing you haven't heard 'Ukalen' by Atriohm, 'Tumult' by Derango, nor the two Yggdrasil Records VAs 'Yggdrasounds I' and 'Yggdrasounds II' (some of the tracks on those two VAs are *way* more subtle than any other styles of trance I have heard).
Oh and lulz @ bad-mouthing FL Studio. Again, clichéd. It's actually a good DAW. Not many forest producers actually use it, though.
But hey, swings and roundabouts. Some people can only handle simple, predictable music like progressive (which I also like, but I barely find it psychedelic, unless it is the psygressive stuff... which you probably label as goth prog or some other such nonsense).
FYI, hi-tech is the style of psytrance that is generally faster than other forms of the genre, and makes use of a lot of dry sounds and obscene glitches. |
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dick hardman
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 19:53
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Bah. If a track can be classified in a genre it's not psychedelic. My opinion.
When I hear a track that puts me in that particular state that I would call a psychedelic trance, I no longer here genre, or tempo or anything. The tempo could shift, the sounds could increase or decrease, but I'm not paying attention to any of that, I'm just carried by the sounds wherever they take me. I don't want to label it, I don't want to even talk about it, other than 'holy shit' at the end of it. |
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randulon
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 20:03
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On 2013-01-30 17:55, psychedanic wrote:
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On 2013-01-29 17:51, randulon wrote:
I hate so called forest and dark psy, it gives me a headache and puts me in mind of teenage goths who aren't very good with girls, sitting in front of their computer churning out "really psychedelic, non commercial shit mannnnnnnn" on Fruity Loops.
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Typical clichéd post by another ignorant progressive/full on listener. I'm guessing you haven't heard 'Ukalen' by Atriohm, 'Tumult' by Derango, nor the two Yggdrasil Records VAs 'Yggdrasounds I' and 'Yggdrasounds II' (some of the tracks on those two VAs are *way* more subtle than any other styles of trance I have heard).
Oh and lulz @ bad-mouthing FL Studio. Again, clichéd. It's actually a good DAW. Not many forest producers actually use it, though.
But hey, swings and roundabouts. Some people can only handle simple, predictable music like progressive (which I also like, but I barely find it psychedelic, unless it is the psygressive stuff... which you probably label as goth prog or some other such nonsense).
FYI, hi-tech is the style of psytrance that is generally faster than other forms of the genre, and makes use of a lot of dry sounds and obscene glitches.
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Well I gave Atriohm and Derango a twizzle but as a mere mortal, and totally unenlightened to boot, I simply can't handle the sonic adventurousness and maturity of dark or forest psy trance.
I find it too fast and too gloomy...essentially I find it utterly joyless.
Just so you know...I didn't make my comments without first having had some experience of the dark and forest styles. Quite a few of my mates are DJs and have exposed me to this stuff but it just does not float my boat. I don't mind moody music but to me that is stuff is just depressing. I also find full on quite depressing but for different reasons.
And just so you know that I'm not completely narrow minded my three favourite trance albums are Koxbox's The Great Unknown, X-Dream's Radio and Process's One Drop or Two. All of which were quite experimental and genre defying for their time and possibly still so now... |
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full_lotus
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 21:34
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I've said it many many many times over the years. Psychedelia is in the mind of the beholder. Whilst some of you may not find Pink Floyd 'psychedelic' and say it's only boring rock music, they actually happen to be one of the pioneers of psychedelic music in the UK. Their first album (without Dave Gilmour) is considered by many, to be one of the finest psychedelic albums of all time. As for psychedelic trance, some of it I find incredibly psychedelic and some I don't. After listening to psychedelic music for approximately 30 years, I always am able to find something that hits that special spot in my mind
Turn On, Tune In, Trance Out!!!
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 21:39
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On 2013-01-29 20:21, TimeTraveller wrote:
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On 2013-01-29 19:42, BookFace wrote:
^ Father of sidechaining?,
whachu talkin bout willis? sidechaining was being used when he was still kid, At least to my knowledge I could be wrong
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ahhh yes I was confusing something here Phil Colins is the first that used or discoverd the famous gated reverb (that was chartecteristic for the 80 sound) by playing with aux channels and sidechaining.
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Actually it was Hugh Padgham, Collins' engineer in the 1980s, who is credited with inventing the gated reverb.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Padgham#The_.22gated_drum.22_sound
I actually came across this information when I was working in insurance during my degree in the early 1990s; one of my co-workers was Padham's assistant engineer on sessions with The Police, Phil Collins and Prince. God knows what he was doing working for Eagle Star.
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Interesting, must have been cool sessions and great time.. good to know it properly about gated reverb discovery by Hugh Padgham
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dick hardman
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 21:51
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^ Gah, that reverbed snare was one of the worst things to come out of the 80s! Had to be used by every single pop and rock band in that era.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 21:57
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I love it  each snare with gated reverb is much punchier. Especially in psytrance haha Maybe not each, but I like it.
..about psychedelic music.. the psytrance genre needs still a real psychedelic timeless album imo. Only a few albums won't get boring after years of existing - completely different to psychedelic music made by PInk Floyd for instance. You stll can hear it again and again on loop although it is released before most of us were even planned to exist. So much soul and spirit in it.
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willsanquil
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 22:27
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On 2013-01-30 17:55, psychedanic wrote:
Typical clichéd post by another ignorant progressive/full on listener. I'm guessing you haven't heard 'Ukalen' by Atriohm, 'Tumult' by Derango, nor the two Yggdrasil Records VAs 'Yggdrasounds I' and 'Yggdrasounds II' (some of the tracks on those two VAs are *way* more subtle than any other styles of trance I have heard).
But hey, swings and roundabouts. Some people can only handle simple, predictable music like progressive (which I also like, but I barely find it psychedelic, unless it is the psygressive stuff... which you probably label as goth prog or some other such nonsense).
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I like how you rail against him for being ignorant/cliche, yet you do the exact same thing by labeling him a 'typical fullon/progressive' listener
I *have* heard those albums that you mentioned, and while I can occasionally respect some sound design/engineering aspects of them, I would never want to hear them on a dancefloor.
And then to top it off you erect a straw man with the whole 'some people can only handle simple music' bullshit. Hypocritical much?
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dick hardman
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 23:39
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On 2013-01-30 21:57, TimeTraveller wrote:
I love it each snare with gated reverb is much punchier.
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Yes, I liked how each snare hit reverbed through their big hair do's (well, 'cept Mr collins of course )
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..about psychedelic music.. the psytrance genre needs still a real psychedelic timeless album imo. Only a few albums won't get boring after years of existing ...
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I don't know if that's possible, given the fractured state of psytrance with the polarity of genres and the fans that huddle around them exclusively (see other threads in this topic).
I would venture to guess, however, that if you ask any genre lover if there is a current timeless album (of their genre) they would name some.
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TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 30, 2013 23:52
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dunno if one can not enjoy other music but only psytrance than it is not that impressive to me when he/she tells me this or that album is the most psychedelic musc album or sth similar.
Listening to psytrance and goa since early 90s I am well aware of all facettes of this genre. To me after all this years and I know to most of the users it will be blasphmey, but even Hallucinogen's tracks are great music but nothing timeless and maybe after this decades a bit old.
And I dig why people like Atriohm or Psycovsky or Scorb etc etc.. but it is just greatly produced technoid music but not an album you can hear for a few days nonstop or in any mood. Sometimes it is too much or gets boring to me. That is only my opinion.
Tell me one really extraordinary timeless psytrance album that hits your heart and soul each time.I expect now tons of album names but seriously lots of them are amazing! but timeless as PInk FLoyd is...come on.. I bet after ten years lots of this superduper albums will be just in memory.
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randulon
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Posted : Jan 31, 2013 00:13
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On 2013-01-30 23:52, TimeTraveller wrote:
dunno if one can not enjoy other music but only psytrance than it is not that impressive to me when he/she tells me this or that album is the most psychedelic musc album or sth similar.
Listening to psytrance and goa since early 90s I am well aware of all facettes of this genre. To me after all this years and I know to most of the users it will be blasphmey, but even Hallucinogen's tracks are great music but nothing timeless and maybe after this decades a bit old.
And I dig why people like Atriohm or Psycovsky or Scorb etc etc.. but it is just greatly produced technoid music but not an album you can hear for a few days nonstop or in any mood. Sometimes it is too much or gets boring to me. That is only my opinion.
Tell me one really extraordinary timeless psytrance album that hits your heart and soul each time.I expect now tons of album names but seriously lots of them are amazing! but timeless as PInk FLoyd is...come on.. I bet after ten years lots of this superduper albums will be just in memory.
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Yes, I quite agree. Dance music, in all its many genres, seems to have very short shelf life.
Pink Floyd certainly approaches timelessness but I actually find pre war blues and ragtime music even more timeless if that is possible... |
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