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Djones
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Posted : Apr 25, 2008 17:56:29
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I need help, some real advice on my issue.
My issue is that I just can't make a track.
It's been years now, and I still find myself fidling around with plugins and synths and making small parts of music, before moving on and starting all over again.
I have this problem from a very early age already.
When I used to be a little kid, I used to draw, but also back then, I couldn't finish 1 drawing.
I would grab like 20 sheets of paper, and start over 20 times.
And usually I couldn't think of anything to draw!
It's like whenever things get complicated, I tend to give up and do not want to put any effort in learning and understanding the parts which I haven't developed yet.
It also seems as if I'm blocking my own mind from being creative.
Also with music, I've played piano since I was 8 or 9, but I remember also that back then I couldn't focus on the difficult parts, although I quite managed to play some serious classical music.
But now I'm just getting too frustrated about it.
It probably is some psychological thing in my head, why I can't do what I want to do.
I can be very creative in my head, visualizing music in my mind, but converting it into something within Cubase is just a whole different story for me.
In the beginning of this week I came to conclude under the influence of cannabis, while working on a track, that I was actually trying very hard not to think of the part of music, I was working on.
There was something in the back of my head which just makes me want to get this and that overwith to move on to the rest of the track.
Also, I'm finding it really hard to accept something which I have created, to sound good.
It's like I cannot accept it in my head if my music sounds different than anything that hasn't been made by other people yet.
Although I perfectly understand that what makes a great artist is the fact that he or she made something which wasn't there already.
But still, I can't get over this point.
It's just an enormous vicious circle I'm in, and I can't get out!
Are there some books maybe which could lead me into the right direction?
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Glitch_CapeTown
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Posted : Apr 25, 2008 18:04
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XuN
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Posted : Apr 25, 2008 18:55
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I tend to have the same problem. Don't really know what to do about it, other than just keep on trying. I think of it this way. It might take me longer to learn the different parts of music making, but when I got it, I GOT it. To keep doing small parts, makes you a master in those small things. Then later on it the rest will come, or maybe you could team up with someone who is good at putting everything together, but not good at those small parts... 
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Alex Roudos
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Posted : Apr 25, 2008 19:08
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On 2008-04-25 17:56:29, Djones wrote:
It's like whenever things get complicated, I tend to give up and do not want to put any effort in learning and understanding the parts which I haven't developed yet.
It also seems as if I'm blocking my own mind from being creative.
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This is your problem and you know it already, which is the most important. Your problem's problem is that you don't how to solve it or treat it and that's because you also don't know what's the source of it that triggered that kind of behavior motive.
It's totally psychological imo, and has nothing to do with the music itself or what you think about how your music sounds. What's happening to you with music now is just another realization of your standard subconscious behavior pattern that finds its way out through this activity, as it was when you were a kid trying to draw something.
I would like to believe that such problems could be solved by books but i don't. They could help in some extent but fixing the problem seems quite impossible to me.
In any case, i see you've got the dutch flag on your avatar. If you want, we could meet and talk about it. I'm not a psycho-anything(unfortunately i was only a phak1n lawyer  ) but i have met a lot of people with similar and more important problems and found out that i could actually help them by just talking about what was bothering them.
You can PM me anytime.
Alex.
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Apr 25, 2008 19:14
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Boobytrip
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Posted : Apr 25, 2008 22:01
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On 2008-04-25 17:56:29, Djones wrote:
It's like whenever things get complicated, I tend to give up and do not want to put any effort in learning and understanding the parts which I haven't developed yet.
It also seems as if I'm blocking my own mind from being creative.
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Sounds familiar, but what do you think ? What would you have to do to change this ? The only solution to inactivity is activity. One of the main causes probably is the fear that you can't do it or that it is difficult. Therefore you have to break up the thing that you don't want to do in small, manageable pieces. I found it really helpful to make a list of the things that i avoid to get an overview of what they really were and then tackle them one by one. This means that if you find it hard to get from a loop to a track, that you have to find out what makes it difficult and then work on that aspect, bit by bit. This is what makes you stronger and this is the only way to get things done. In fact, you know you have to take these problems by the horns, because if you don't do anything about them you will feel bad about yourself and get frustrated. |
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orange
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Posted : Apr 25, 2008 22:59
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take a kick loop a bass sequence and some drumloops and stretch it allover to a 5min song... in the beggining u will have a damn monotonic 5 min piece of groove repeating it self but than as it play add some sounds but dont loop it just let it go and keep adding sounds make some breakdowns add some long reverse samples.
u will see as this thing progresses u will find tha need to change things here and there make variations etc.
its maybe a weird way of making a track but if u have a 5 min road ahead of u.. u will be tempted to fill the empty space!
http://www.landmark-recordings.com/
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Elad
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Posted : Apr 25, 2008 23:15
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OhmLine
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Posted : Apr 25, 2008 23:27
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+1 with Elad.
I got a similar issue. As soon as I make something I like , immediately I just HAVE to find something else to do, like browsing isratrance 8 times a day or f*%#ing around until I lose that spark. It sucks.
So I decided to consider on 1 thing. Finish a track.
Leave the bassline alone, it doesn't have to be commercial perfect yet. It's also very much ok if you'll (me) have couple of bars that are little boring or not as good as the rest of the track. It's even ok not have fully translate your idea to music, as long as you are getting nearer to a complete piece.
The idea (imo) is the progression, once you got 1 finished your'e in a new state. you cannot say "I've never finished a track" because you did, leading you to the next one and the one after.
It works for me, I hope can work for you too
Peace.
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ThiagoNAKA
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Posted : Apr 25, 2008 23:55
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+1 with orange.
I would add one little thing: take a full day only for making sounds/fx´s/melodies/riffs at specific key. Do not bother if it sounds superb or crap. Do as many as u can, and export to wav.
Then it should be easier to use orange view.
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orange
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Posted : Apr 26, 2008 00:08
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On 2008-04-25 23:55, SMS wrote:
+1 with orange.
I would add one little thing: take a full day only for making sounds/fx´s/melodies/riffs at specific key. Do not bother if it sounds superb or crap. Do as many as u can, and export to wav.
Then it should be easier to use orange view.
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+1
u filled my view...
http://www.landmark-recordings.com/
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Apr 26, 2008 02:40
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vipal
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Posted : Apr 26, 2008 03:12
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frustration recognised here also. only when i have four days or so, 100% devoted to producing, i can get in a flow and finish a track 90%. these days i take evry 4 hours or so a break. but that are just breaks, i dont fill my mind with other things. maybe watch sports or so. pretty unsocial time in these four days. also applying the advices mentioned here. and found out that in the morning i am most productive. which speaks for me against too many spliffs because then i wake up late.
outside these devoted projectdays it takes ridiculous long to finish a track. thats why i decided to plan real producing in periods where i have really time and space for it. and even in these days there are crisises. what the f... i am doing with my life? so... better come up with some nice sounds....
i think its very individual, so just sharing no advice.
maybe just the advice to remember the settings in the time when you were most productive and recreate them. a more fundamental solution offcourse is the best but i think you want it fast.
to me it looks like having inspiration is not up to me. the best i can do is to create circumstances that work best and hope that inspiration (focus and fun) comes. somehow i cannot really do it. and when the inspiration is there i need discipline. internet sucks in these days.
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psyaudionamics
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Posted : Apr 26, 2008 05:26
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your trying too hard point blank, have fun with the track and let it flow by itself the track will let u know what it needs... have fun with it and don't compare it to other tracks every track has a life of its own... thats how i broke off the habit... so as u can see i had the same problem.
also do collabs or find a studio partner...
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