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What is Isratrance, to you?
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Posted : Nov 18, 2005 16:45
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Isratrance was and is inspired by Goa. And most of you know the story about how Israliens went to Goa after the army, and came back with a head full of new inspiration for trance music. Israel took Goa, and made it to something realy special. So instead of Indian melodies ect. They used Isrealien themes instead. And they made a more experimental genre, named Isratrance! In those old days you had Infected, Sandman, Shidapu, Oforia, Space Cat, phreaky, Children of the Doc/Psysex, Tandu ect ect. While acts like Astral projection, California Sunshine ect focused more on the "Goa" sound, then the "Isratrance" sound.
.. Now, we'r in 2005. What happend to Isratrance, where did the extremly experimental artists and vibes go? Why did it change from Isratrance to Full-On?
...But of cource, these are only my own thoughts and idè's. And I can honestly say that my fav. psytrance genre is "old" isratrance. .. Whats Isratrance to you?
A couple of good examples of "old" isratrance imo:
ISRAliens
UFS (Unidentified Forms of Sound)
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Nov 18, 2005 17:06
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Well you summed it pretty damn well, man who were producing in 90', went to Goa or South America after army service ate large amounts of drugs and got experienced with different kind of stuff (except Izen who was kid then).
Miko (California Sunshine) was in South America at end of 80' with my family member, guess what they done there! Right after that, he and Har-El have started kicking.
Artists of today do not go to army, before or at army service.
anyway mentality of Israeli had been changed for last 10 years, terror, lack of work places, lack of inspiration, whole together gave us "bomb in da face" (Israeli essay but you can guess what it means).
Maybe it a bit racist but as 100% jew i can say it, "DO not forget jewish ambition for easy money". This is what psytrance in Israeli is cheap! Easy money or whatever. PPL like Sandman(Itzik) work in music stores while some 17 old tards making gigs world wide, and gettingg promoted by some fat and rich ppl, who think they mean something without their dad's money.
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Posted : Nov 18, 2005 17:40
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wow!  .. haha, strong words there Willy, and I guess evolution is the cause of the "destruction of isratrance". Maybe it will come back one day, maybe in a year or two. people will get fed up by IsraFull-On and return to it's mother, Isratrance. Isratrance is aamazing, innovating and psychedelic. Goa may be better when it comes to setting the persons mind into trance. But Isratrance kicked ass when it came to the more shroomy vibes of changing patterns and experimental sounds.
*Applaus to what Israel once did with psytrance*
I was and is, very impressed. because still, today. No one can touch the inner essense of "old" Isratrance.
hmmm.. Sandman - Whichcraft is a genius and amaturish album with loads of great psy vibes. Wonder how he will sound IF he desides to release another "trance" album. I havent heard his second full release yet (sold out where ever I look damn it!). But his "new" chill/ambient tracks are true bliss.
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CharlieBoy
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Posted : Nov 18, 2005 17:56
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Isratrance, to me, is an alternative to psynews.org and and psy-forum.co.uk. It's where I come when the aformentioned sites are quiet. |
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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Nov 18, 2005 17:57
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Last time i've met him, about half year ago he was talking about releasing something or finishing working on something. AND hell yes it was amateurish as whole music scene these days. I think Astral had the best production for 90' within Israeli psy while it wasn't top notch at all. For now Astral are poor IMHO, they need to keep themselfs "online" but they produced too much and talent vanished with quantity so they do shit now and release and promote shite which i don't think they like.
Destruction was done by very special and fat man, actually he is one of them! Who destroyed it with 17 teens promotions. Now nooone give a fuck about this person and his kind because there are too many of them here and other places too, so i'm happy that at least he got nothing for destroying the scene with "lame commercial" (lame because they are from real commercial point of view).
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Astral699
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Posted : Nov 18, 2005 18:05
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For me isratrance is just a forum where lame people are bullshiting about killllargh stuff. (90% are israeli kids) :E
Sorry for words, but this is just the first thought that come to my mind when i hear "isratrance".
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Acidhive
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Posted : Nov 18, 2005 18:06
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On 2005-11-18 17:40, Kire-naj wrote:
hmmm.. Sandman - Whichcraft is a genius and amaturish album with loads of great psy vibes. Wonder how he will sound IF he desides to release another "trance" album. I havent heard his second full release yet (sold out where ever I look damn it!). But his "new" chill/ambient tracks are true bliss.
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Just to correct and add something: The album was called Witchcraft and Itzik released two more albums after that one as a matter of fact: Sandman - Psycho Toons (Hadshot Haheizar) and another album under his Green House Effect guise: Global Warming (released under HOM-Mega).
Psycho Toons was pretty good. Global Warming was good if you liked it more fluffy clubby melodic sounding. Alas, shame we never hear some really new Sandman tunes. I absolutely loved some of his singles way back in the day. Specifically: Natural Born Killer and Starfinder.
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Pt.
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Posted : Nov 18, 2005 18:07
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Ditto Charlieboy, but I cant access psynews.org because my job blocked it.. *#¤% Dell.
Anyway, whos this bastard your talking about, Eyal Yankowitch? hehe, kidding  .. He made some of the best compilation at the end of the 90ths. I guess you where talking about the general person beehind the cash.
It's starngem because before, the quality of the production was bad compared to today. But still the music had alot more heart and "psy" in it then today. So the better the production got, the worse the music got? ... hmm.. Something is wrong with this picture. But I do agree on this.
But hey! I blame it on the drugs. People need to trip more to understand the essence of psychedelic music. 
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Posted : Nov 18, 2005 18:12
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isratrance for me is a place to discuss psytrance with some real experts and some experts-wannabe like myself
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traveller
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Posted : Nov 18, 2005 18:17
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It's a bloody bureaucracy..
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Posted : Nov 18, 2005 18:32
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people are talking about 2 diffrent things here:
1. isratrance the site/forum.
2. the music psytones refers to as israeli trance.
i think some of the israeli stuff lost its "balls"... the same grit you were looking for is now being replaced by finesse and emphasis on housey ravey sequences along with vocals.
BUT, there are some acts left in israel who are making some amazingly polished serious psy trance, give Hujaboy, Ejekt, and Xerox Illumination a try if you are looking for that old kick in the head kinda of feel.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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CharlieBoy
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Posted : Nov 18, 2005 18:44
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In regards to Israeli trance, I think there's still some good stuff being produced but it's not like the halcyon days of old when Astral Projection, Sandman, Oforia and others were knocking out quality stuff on a regular basis.
These days it's mainly full-on that comes out of Israel and that's not quite my cup of tea. |
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Nathan
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Posted : Nov 18, 2005 19:01
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Isratrance music: I completely understand about what Kire-naj is talking. The need to return to the source. But Why we need to go back there? I haven't heard sandmen's tracks. Old Astral and mfg where nice. But this is belongs to the past. I am interesting in the future because there is where my life heading. Old days were nice; but goa is dead for me I really do not enjoy this sound today, and most (not all) of my goa albums coverd with dust on the shelf.
full on has so much power. I know that there are many full on artist with bad albums but there are so much good music these days.
The old ufs & israelians days was pure and good; b4 Astrix came and infected the world with his style. But U can see israelians that are true to their style until this day like oforia and psysex.
The future is progress. The past is gone.
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Yellow Warrior
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Posted : Nov 18, 2005 19:10
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On 2005-11-18 17:57, Willy Wonka wrote:
Destruction was done by very special and fat man, actually he is one of them! Who destroyed it with 17 teens promotions. Now nooone give a fuck about this person and his kind because there are too many of them here and other places too, so i'm happy that at least he got nothing for destroying the scene with "lame commercial" (lame because they are from real commercial point of view).
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Is that HOM-mega you are talking about?
I don't know man but that guy is a super businessman, have to give him that!
He knows what sells and what won't and if you look at HOM-mega, though some of the music they make is good, they all sound the same to me. Like Kire-naj was saying the produciton has improved immensly but the quality of PSY, actually....the PSY element itself is missing.
But it just seems to me that these days thats the music that sells. thats what the majority of people want. I don't see what anyone can do about it. Also, They are so big, its very hard for the small labels to compete with them. Can they? How?
Its amazing, how many times Astrix, Sub-6 etc...play here in london. Atleast 2/3 times a year (maybe more, i don't know)the HOM-mega crew visits the uk alone. but what can we do, this is where the money is and he has the capacity to take them all over the world. The sad part is people are willing to pay that much for their parties. I was one of the stupid ones to go for my first Hom-mega party(IM was playing, i had to go! ) They charge £25/£30 to just stand in a corner to watch 7000 people fucked in an indoor party and there is no place to dance, walk, nothing! Its like a fuckin fish market! OK, the music was good but whats the point, i might as well buy the cd and listen to it at home no? After that, i promised i will never go to another HOM-mega party.
Anyway, Kire-naj, to answer your question, as long as there are labels like HOM-mega working like corporate machines there is no way we will be exposed to new fresh music. they will keep doing what they are doing as long they are kept happy. Just as the Board directors of major companies don't give a fuck about anything as long as shareholders are happy.
Hope i made some sense, if not sorry i wasted everyone's time! 
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Posted : Nov 18, 2005 19:30
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 @ willy, you are quite lame to keep making personal insults and accusations in topics yet keep behind your fake name. own up to your words big man, having this internet facade is showing me that you are scared and will not back up your words in real life. regarding hommega and eyal, well i dont know if anyone else in this industry works as hard as that man. dedicates his life to it... get over yourself and stop this jealousy.
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