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what is actually happening on stage?

DiMiTry
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Posted : Mar 1, 2006 23:06
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On 2006-03-01 22:15, offthenutboom wrote:
Because I am not going to play all my mixes in one key signature. "Tonite Francisco playing his set in D flat!!!"



that would be an interesting exercise.
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dj Dragon
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Posted : Mar 2, 2006 03:00
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On 2006-02-21 03:03, robomarket wrote:
Or if you want to bust a fake J, get a pair of binoculars and focus on the fader. If it never gets moved from the full L or full R position, prepare the rotten tomatoes, tar and feathers



No No .. not true at all ! Most experienced Psy dj's including myself never touch the cross fader, only to use the channel faders to control our mixes.. smoothly introducing the highs and mids, and swapping the bass on the 1st beat of the proper measure ..

most house, breaks , dnb, and some trance dj's use the cross fader for cuts and sampling ..
obu
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Posted : Mar 3, 2006 00:33
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On 2006-03-01 22:21, offthenutboom wrote:
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On 2006-03-01 04:19, obu wrote:
Your kidding, you mean the music doesn't play itself??!? There's more to djing than just hitting the "play" button and pushing the fader up?...nahhh


I kid, maybe






Technically there is a workflow
Insert CD
Select track
Cue
Release on Bar
Beat Match
Cue
Release on Bar
Set EQs
Raise level
mix with EQs, gain and levels
Fade track out
Stop
Eject

It is the ear, the heart, the mind, the human behind the machine who adds the grace and spirit. If not all DJs would sound the same.



Oh I know my friend, I know. I was just joking, apparently badly..hehe

Hope your doing well in sunny FL
Janux
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Posted : Mar 3, 2006 09:50

@ Dimitry...

playing in the same key.... do you consider it that important ? do you consider it not a set if all the tracks are not in the same key?

sometimes shifting key after a few tracks can create a powerful transition...

what about a set that doesnt take key into consideration at all?           www.facebook.com/DjJanux
DiMiTry
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Posted : Mar 3, 2006 20:09
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On 2006-03-03 09:50, Janux wrote:

@ Dimitry...

playing in the same key.... do you consider it that important ? do you consider it not a set if all the tracks are not in the same key?



did I give that impression? no, I don't consider it that important. I think shifting keys is better. But it would be a nice exercise to play a whole set in the same key, I don't think I've ever done that.

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Janux
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Posted : Mar 3, 2006 21:25

neither have i (played an entire set in one key) i dont think key is that important.... and secondly by changing the pitch / bpm of a track you are gonna be changing the key anyhow... so the amount of pre-planning that would have to go into a set that needs to be all in one key would destroy half of what it is to be a dj and respond spontaneously to the situation sometimes...

basically i have never felt that key should be much of an issue at all during a set.... actually imo I think 'key' is a term that people use because it happens to be a term of music production.... and infact has no real relevance in terms of DJing music.

in other words... when you make a track you have to keep it in key... (and shifting key within a track can be done tastefully too).... but when DJing the difference in key between 2 tracks is irrelevant.           www.facebook.com/DjJanux
DiMiTry
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Posted : Mar 3, 2006 21:52
each track is written in a certain key. there are certain laws of harmony, and if you play a track written in the wrong key that isn't a good transition from the last track, say C minor into, say, C major, it'll sound like ass.

usually if you have a well-trained ear for the music, you can pick the right tracks for transition without even knowing the key it's written in.


ps - also there are quite a few DJs who are really precise about the key transitions, I know Basilisk latest mix is all in key, and Treavor from Moontribe mixes harmonically as well from what i heard.           ..it's just another party..
rich
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Posted : Mar 4, 2006 00:12
Trainwrecking is more apparent than key wrecking, and only those who have a somewhat trained ear can hear it.

Taking Francisco's excersise of playing an entire set in one key, has anyone ever composed a set to a particular mode?


DiMiTry
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Posted : Mar 4, 2006 00:29
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On 2006-03-04 00:12, rich wrote:
Trainwrecking is more apparent than key wrecking, and only those who have a somewhat trained ear can hear it.



I agree to an extent - even if most people can't consciously hear it, they can usually feel a cacophonous transition. meaning disharmonious.. hehe.

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Maska
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Posted : Mar 4, 2006 03:07
doesn't anyone ever think, why are all these people looking at me?

;-)           assumption is the mother of all fuckups.
paradigm
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Posted : Mar 4, 2006 06:13
i do believe that Treavor has played sets in a single key before
He more than any other DJ i see seems to key mix more on a regular basis
          
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Janux
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Posted : Mar 4, 2006 08:07

ya but say you have two tracks written in C major.... one is 144 bpm and the other is 146 bpm... if you change the speed / pitch / bpm of one of the tracks so it matches the other (without using master tempo) then you are also chaning the key of the track....

so then the question is figuring out what pecentage of a pitch / speed change = what kind of key change....
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Mar 4, 2006 10:10
I think 2 bpm shift (1.3%-1.5% of the full bpm) change isn't going to do much to the key - I think it's more like 4% or 5% of the tempo for one full key shift. if you search the forum, you'll find some old discussions about key mixing and a bunch more info.
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Mar 5, 2006 03:34
We can use major and minor scales in one key signature. It is quite graceful sometimes and I heard it in goa and psy trance several times. It is all about the 6th and the 7th.

Also, If you know a part of your track is in its C major, it can be mixed perfectly with a track in its relative minor in this case "a minor natural". So you can mix two tracks in different key signatures and it will work. Also you can pitch and time compress/expand tracks as many tones as you need to keep tham all in the same key... For me personally I like to grab the CDs, play with them, find out what goes with what and feel the music and its energy. After all I just want bang bang bang.

rich
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Posted : Mar 5, 2006 20:11
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On 2006-03-05 03:34, offthenutboom wrote:
We can use major and minor scales in one key signature. It is quite graceful sometimes and I heard it in goa and psy trance several times. It is all about the 6th and the 7th.

Also, If you know a part of your track is in its C major, it can be mixed perfectly with a track in its relative minor in this case "a minor natural"...




ie. Cmaj / Am ?


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