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what is actually happening on stage?

FaceHead
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Posted : Feb 22, 2006 08:21
ya ive always had a problem with the beatmatching problems in djs some of the well known djs in america especially, play killer tracks but fall on thier faces while mixing its alway been a mystery to me how these are the ones so recognized. I didnt really feel that way untill i learned how to mix though. then it was strange to me im by no means the best dj Ive been focusing on producing for awhile but I can beatmatch i made sure I could do that before concentrating on the production
if you are performing you gotta know the basics. thats why the only parties ive even tried to get booked on in the last couple of years have been small im not bad but I wanna be sure I have my footing before I jump.
DiMiTry
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Posted : Feb 22, 2006 08:27
afaik, beatmatching is mostly a problem for DJs from abroad. Almost every DJ from the US is good at it.. probably because the house/techno culture is strong here and there if you trainwreck mix, it'll be the last time you'll ever play out.

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Posted : Feb 22, 2006 15:33
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On 2006-02-22 08:27, DiMiTry wrote:
afaik, beatmatching is mostly a problem for DJs from abroad. Almost every DJ from the US is good at it.. probably because the house/techno culture is strong here and there if you trainwreck mix, it'll be the last time you'll ever play out.



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DiMiTry
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Posted : Feb 22, 2006 20:08
i was always curious why New York didn't have a massive and well-rounded DJ community like, say, San Francisco.. maybe because everyone's a transient?
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Ray Briones

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Posted : Feb 22, 2006 21:07
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On 2006-02-21 21:12, leo-influx wrote:
How bad is to leave my home , go to a party and listen to a playback , see the artist playing with knobs , knobs from gear that are not connected to the power supply! , the act keeps only equalizing his stereo channel . not even 4 channels .
Come on people , now a days you have Ableton live , you can tweak, beat match b4 you play, put efx and at least do something. Prepare your loops(audio and midi) and do a show.... or just stay home.
I hate to hear playback .
And for djs that can't beat match, stay home also trainning . Playback and "Samba Mix" are out of the picture. Let's keep some level for our scene . If you wanna be a dj it's okay. But first you have to learn .
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 , every 32 beats something happens then you tur\






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Ray Briones

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Posted : Feb 22, 2006 21:59
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On 2006-02-22 08:27, DiMiTry wrote:
afaik, beatmatching is mostly a problem for DJs from abroad. Almost every DJ from the US is good at it.. probably because the house/techno culture is strong here and there if you trainwreck mix, it'll be the last time you'll ever play out.







beatmaching is a big problem in NYC (HOW SAD IT IS TO SAY THAT) 80% DON'T KNOW ...10% R GETTING THERE....AND ONLY A HAND FULL REALLY KNOW THE ART.... AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BEATMACTHCING...

WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A VIBE, BUILD A ENERGEY ON THE FLOOR, WORK THE CROWD...CAUSE 95% DON'T HAVE A CLUE


I'M HAPPY TO SEE PEOPLE NOW MAKING A STAND ON THIS ISSUE
Ray Briones

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Posted : Feb 22, 2006 22:05
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On 2006-02-22 20:08, DiMiTry wrote:
i was always curious why New York didn't have a massive and well-rounded DJ community like, say, San Francisco.. maybe because everyone's a transient?





NOT EVEN BRO...NOW THAT'S A ISSUE I WILL NOT SPEAK MY MIND... IT'S LIKE WE SAY IN BRAZIL ...
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Posted : Feb 22, 2006 22:25
for you beginners trying to figure out what you're supposed to be doing to impress the crowds by disecting these posts:
all right, so everybody's throwing out the term beatmatching, which is step 1 for a mix: beatmatching is synchronizing the tempos so that the two tracks playing are playing at the same speed in rhythm. next, which hasn't really been mentioned except by leo, is phrasing. each phrase of your typical psytrance anthem is 32 beats long - which is easily counted and learned:
12345678
2 2345678
3 2345678
4 234 4321
the above string of numbers represents the most generic pattern inherent to most most music, especially psytrance. there's generally a distinguishable change in the music at the beginning of each phrase. melodies often repeat every 8 or sometimes 4 beats. and the last 4 to 2 beats are regularly broken down to flag the ending of a phrase or to cue the DJ of the start to the next phrase. you want to locate the first beat in a phrase of track A and cue it there or hold the record. while listening to track B in play, find the breakdown, count the above string of numbers, and you'll know through counting when to hit play or let the record go. the idea is to get not only the speed beatmatched, but also the phrases synchronized - so that each track plays at the same tempo and breaks down at the same time. once you've mastered this, your perspective on music will be considerably broader, hence the third step of improvement could be along one of many paths like harmonization. some tracks don't sound good together even if they're matched and phrased because perhaps the key of melodies may conflict. also, one can consider point and counterpoint within the percussion of their mixed tracks. the third step is more in the artistry of a DJ who uses their ears masterfully to select compatable tracks. this beatmatching and phrasing stuff is beginner's necessities in general operation. so, start counting everything you hear and your natural ability to mix will be nurtured.
Ray Briones

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Posted : Feb 23, 2006 02:20
Sorry about the CAPS LOCK...
paradigm
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Posted : Feb 23, 2006 07:19
then for the next step comes beat matching and phrasing in harmonic key....

          
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Posted : Feb 23, 2006 17:18
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On 2006-02-23 07:19, paradigm wrote:
then for the next step comes beat matching and phrasing in harmonic key....



i believe that is a bit over the top and restrictive. you guys are veering off the topic and making it abit more of a "look what i know" type of thing. this topic is actually intended for non-dj's to have a basic understanding of the events on stage...
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droozi
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Posted : Feb 23, 2006 17:40
T Hmm ... beat matching and phrasing in harmonic key - sounds like the polaris dj set at the TDC party
ZeRo
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Posted : Feb 23, 2006 19:41
harmonic mixing has pluses and minuses. FOr an extensive review of the topic i would recommend searching for the beatmatch thread in the equipment and music crreation section.           ein chadash tachat hashemesh. there is nothing new under the sun. --kohelet.
David(KIVA)
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Posted : Feb 23, 2006 19:57
This quote was directed more at what is happening during a live but also had a comment about djing that presents a perspective id like to point out

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Most artists prepare their live at home before coming to the show, this means that most of what's going is preplanned and will not change according to the crowd as in a dj set it is more flexible.



~~Most djs now what time they are playing before they get to the party. Try to remember that what is happening on stage is a performance and when you perform more times then most people its pointless to make obstacles for yourself while doing it. My point is that djs can also preplan a set and have the same results as a dj who is.. say more flexible and loose about it~~

All artist and djs are trying to do is make life easier on stage. What is so wrong with that? When making life easier involves creating illusions, then that's when a person has crossed the line. I don't agree with artist who fake shit and I don't think djs who play mixed cds and fake it are doing it right either!

You will know when a dj is playing off the head because the tracks will not always match key and the vibe will go up and down and in and out. While this is ok for some djs... please don't consider this the law. There are many different ways to skin a cat.

When a dj has a set planned like artist do it tends to work out better for the time and the vibe. This is true for artist because promoters almost always place the artist where they think they will fit best. and in most cases they do the same for djs.

Ill tell you what I think is fucked! Artists who make promoters rent gear that in turn they don't use. They have it all written out in their contracts and they don't even use it.

Maybe promoters should have a contract that says if they rent the gear the artist HAS to use it! What would be even better was if the artist didn't use the gear you could deduct the cost of renting it from their pay!




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Posted : Feb 23, 2006 21:05
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On 2006-02-23 19:57, David(KIVA) wrote:
What would be even better was if the artist didn't use the gear you could deduct the cost of renting it from their pay!



i've actually done that.          "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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