| Author
|
what is actually happening on stage?
|
Gaian Mind
Gaian Mind
Started Topics :
29
Posts :
157
Posted : Feb 21, 2006 10:23
|
Quote:
|
On 2006-02-21 01:57, fluxor wrote:
gadi , specially with the cdj's 1000 , you can play with memory cards also. i saw a guy this week playing with them , so sometimes maibe you guys wont see the dj changing cds , if it is the cdj 1000 check on the left bottom side of the front of the cd to see if its a memory card , and yes they can also play a mixed set via the memory cards and it can last more than 120 minutes since there are memory cards up to 1 gb of memory .
|
|
Incorrect. You can preset your cues, loops, hot points, and the wave data of a track, and store them on the MMC (16Mb max), but you can't program a mixed set with them. Yet.
Memory
MMC - MultiMediaCard
The CDJ-1000MK2 has a memory feature that let’s you store Wave Data as well as Cue and Loop points. The data can be stored on a removable memory card (MMC) or the players internal memory. The removable MMC card can also be used in any CDJ-1000MK2, so once you’ve stored your favorite cue and loop points they’re there for life. The CDJ-1000MK2 also has a feature that allows you to duplicate MMC cards. (A 16MB Multimedia Card (MMC) is supplied with the CDJ-1000MK2.)
http://www.pioneerprodj.com
  GAIAN MIND
Bookings: (727) 815-7695 (office) / (727) 267-0635 (cell) / gaian-mind (Skype)
www.gaian-mind.com
http://gaian-mind.tribe.net
www.myspace.com/gaian_mind
info@gaian-mind.com |
|
|
|
Kyma
IsraTrance Junior Member
Started Topics :
40
Posts :
260
Posted : Feb 21, 2006 10:34
|
Quote:
|
On 2006-02-21 06:49, furthur wrote:
also it would be cool if more dj's had a setup like sasha with that ableton live controller
|
|
thats my dream controller...im just a few tens of thousands away from it ... lol
seriously....its a masterpiece that controller....
totally offtopic...but ....what controller would you guys recomend for ableton? have tried so many....havent found one that im really happy about....
i normally use both....xfader and levels...depends on the situation....
i do use the effects on the pioneer mixers....delays, echoes, filters.....depends on the mixer....the djm 909 its amazing for FX...havent seen anything like it....
so...whos the one in NYC that does the mix cd  ?
ham?? 
i tried once to have a playlist to dj since i had a percussionist playing together and we wanted to have all the timing and tones right....but the energy of the moment talks much stronger...so it never worked...after 2 or 3 of the planned tracks some kind of twist would happen and that was it....tracklist to the garbage....
a human's mind, once stretched, cannot go back to its old way
http://kymastream.com
http://myspace.com/kymastream
http://realityengine.org
http://interchill.com
http://cosm.org |
|
|
|
DiMiTry
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
70
Posts :
2299
Posted : Feb 21, 2006 11:26
|
|
Surrender
IsraTrance Team
Started Topics :
506
Posts :
5388
Posted : Feb 21, 2006 16:50
|
the issue of who isnt playing for real isnt relevant - it was just something i noticed and was shocked that nobody in the entire party paid attention or made any note of it.
i think if we are all aware more of whats going on- we will all benefit from it 
anyone wanna talk about live shows and what happens or doesnt happen?
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
http://myspace.com/gadimon |
|
|
|
ichirock
Started Topics :
0
Posts :
231
Posted : Feb 21, 2006 16:53
|
Quote:
|
On 2006-02-21 16:50, Surrender wrote:
anyone wanna talk about live shows and what happens or doesnt happen?
|
|
Yeah! That's what I want to know....
I don't know anything about what the heck is going on when they play live...
Anybody? |
|
|
|
Surrender
IsraTrance Team
Started Topics :
506
Posts :
5388
Posted : Feb 21, 2006 18:41
|
live sets usually involve 1+ more persons. the artist bring their laptop and audio interface and connect that to the main mixer and to several other things. this can include a keyboard, fx processors, filters, drum machines, guitars, live mics etc etc etc the sky is the limit theoretically. during the live, an artist only plays their own music - this is where it is diffrent then a dj set where one could play any good tune they choose. in this case you are hearing 100% music from the artist and/or their collabs. most artists prepare their live at home before coming to the show, this means that most of whats going is preplanned and will not change according to the crowd as in a dj set it is more flexible.
what us happening - most of the time the artists use a software (ableton/cubase/logic) to arrange the music in a manner that will flow and tell a story according to their thinking. there is blending (sometimes ambient mix, sometimes an extra bass/kick loop can connect one track to another) happening to make a continuous show. some intro's are modified, same with the outros. the artists are using the tracks in full wav format, meaning: the tracks are there and complete, much like they are on a cd, only they are on the laptop. the artists can use the various fx or synths to add texture and atmosphere - but mostly adding ambience. hardware filters have much more effect on the show but are seldom used.
whats not happening - music is not being created on the spot. everything is mostly premade. except for a handful of artists, nobody is actually doing much up there... u cannot count on a human to be hitting the kick (or any other small loop repetition) perfectly without going out of sync at these high bpms for such a long duration. the texture added from the plugged in synths will have little effect if present or not present.
how to verify -
1. make sure things are looking like they are plugged in 
2. if the artists are just using the main console plugged into a laptop- they most probably arent doing a thing.
3. check to see if a cdj is playing in one of the dj decks. if this is the case - the show is being faked as well.
again, feel free to correct and elaborate - i purposely left things out.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
http://myspace.com/gadimon |
|
|
|
leo-influx
Started Topics :
5
Posts :
19
Posted : Feb 21, 2006 21:12
|
How bad is to leave my home , go to a party and listen to a playback , see the artist playing with knobs , knobs from gear that are not connected to the power supply! , the act keeps only equalizing his stereo channel . not even 4 channels .
Come on people , now a days you have Ableton live , you can tweak, beat match b4 you play, put efx and at least do something. Prepare your loops(audio and midi) and do a show.... or just stay home.
I hate to hear playback .
And for djs that can't beat match, stay home also trainning . Playback and "Samba Mix" are out of the picture. Let's keep some level for our scene . If you wanna be a dj it's okay. But first you have to learn .
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 , every 32 beats something happens then you turn.
|
|
|
|
fluxor
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
125
Posts :
308
Posted : Feb 21, 2006 21:21
|
|
leo you are totally right!!!! |
|
|
|
Yidam
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
144
Posts :
3171
Posted : Feb 21, 2006 21:48
|
So who are the acts that have actually played a real live set ?
I've heard many but afters Surrender's disection I think only a handful did the real thing.
Those I'm sure about ...
Gift Culture
Shapestatic
Initialization String
C.O.N. Sequencer
Looking for more... |
|
|
|
rohr
Started Topics :
0
Posts :
139
Posted : Feb 21, 2006 21:54
|
ive seen some known artists faking already... thats sad..
DALI made some ridiculous shit in Brazil... she just pressed play and danced, like acting... felt bad for her...
live acts are the ones that they fake more, but its not too simple to find out the fake... but I saw at least 5 REALLY FAMOUS djs faking... shame on them..
but anyway...what can we do... we never know when its gonna happen ;(
cya |
|
|
|
DiMiTry
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
70
Posts :
2299
Posted : Feb 21, 2006 22:07
|
never seen a DJ faking a set.. I mean, WHY? it's really not that hard to do smooth fades if you are too nervous or too trashed to actually beatmatch. And if you are good enough to make a pre-recorded set, you should be able to mix it live. there's no excuse for this kind of bs, all it takes is practice!
On another note, I've seen many DJs play already picked out tracks, which really takes away from the 'live' aspect of the set. It can be beneficial to beginner DJs especially, but it also takes some of the fun out of it for both the DJ and the audience. These days i like to pick the first 2 or 3 tracks, then go with the flow, it's a little more work and you have to know your tracks really well, but it's so much more fun!
and yeah, sometimes it's fun to play with the fader, especially when playing minimal tech or progressive, you can really add a lot to the tracks that way. but when mixing full power psy, i personally never even touch the fader, just use the channels, gains, EQs, not so much FX because i feel that most of the time they aren't really necessary. now Ableton is the next step.. ..it's just another party.. |
|
|
|
Illectron
Started Topics :
0
Posts :
4
Posted : Feb 21, 2006 23:03
|
with the advent of Abelton Live, I agree that artists advertising LIVE P.A.s should step up to the performance challenge of transcribing their music into Ableton for the most powerful on-the-spot manipulation of set progression and development. however, when I go to parties to listen to producers and DJs alike, I go to dance to a music selection of their choice. this doesn't necessarily require any skill in beatmatching, simply good sound for set amount of time. now setting is key, for example, what I expect to hear out of a local saturday night house party versus a $55 ticket turntablism exhibition is quite different. so on the topic of "faking," you need to determine if you're actually paying to see someone manipulate audio equipment through scratching or seamless mixing, or if you're simply there to entertain your acoustical senses. I suppose both are equally impressive. but one should not place undue expectations upon a performing DJ. if you're there to hear good music, then dance to it and leave the DJ to the technical bits.
consider this: when CDJs appeared on the scene the vinyl DJs argued the skill and talent in DJing was tarnished by conveniences like programmable cue points and loops which took away those descriminators for ranking DJs by how well they could juggle a beat or at least hit their drop point on time. progressivist DJs countered with the fact that these tools, while making certain facets simply easier, also opened up entirely new frontiers of mixing exploration such as running various loops on multiple CD players cut at synchronous times. moreover, counting time from an industrialist's point of view, one has to weigh all the time spent mastering the art of the phonograph versus the time saved on a CD player (OR Traktor for that matter!) which is time that could have been spent better listening to new music and becoming better acquainted with good tracks for a more optimally selected performance. in the end it all comes down to just having a good time and fucking cheering if the DJ has a bobble! |
|
|
|
babla
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
82
Posts :
538
Posted : Feb 22, 2006 00:00
|
@ gadi........
my compliments......... uve mastered the art of diplomacy buddy... i mean it seriously
......I'm not lost, i'm just looking for the ppl who drove me here.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~((3ö))~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
|
|
|
paradigm
IsraTrance Full Member
Started Topics :
54
Posts :
1098
Posted : Feb 22, 2006 04:26
|
one of my all time favorite fake stories is the only time i went to see Astral Projection. They had the huge mixing board, all kinds of synths, the works, and a set playing on a hidden cd player, and the cd skipped
the whole room preety much froze.....
also to tell a story of days gone by. There used to be a rather famous Canadian rave/ early techno dj who was more stage persona than dj. He always just played the part, while a friend and true dj, crouched under the table on a seperate (and plugged in) set up and was actually doing the playing...
and Leo im with you. In electronic music psy trance has the rep, of producing some of the worst DJ's. If you cant mix stay home and learn
and IMO when im discriminating over a live, one of the big things i look for is seamlessness between tracks. and not just a pause or a 1 note atmospheric sound. Usually thats a good clue as to if ableton is being used or not.
Logical Light Music - SF
Straylight Productions -SF
Sound/Mind - Denver
Xcience - Midwest
mixes for dl at :
http://www.thehothouse.net/straylight/paradigm/index.htm
"He who ha-ha's last, ha-ha's best" |
|
|
|
zorom
Started Topics :
1
Posts :
36
Posted : Feb 22, 2006 05:27
|
|
Correct me if i am wrong, but i think that Sun Project is always playing live, and that why it is totally different show.
no time to talk...just dance. |
|
|
|
