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what is a live set about ?

maux
Mauxuam

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Posted : May 14, 2006 18:13
are we aLive ?
everywhere I go to see live performances of electronic music in this days, and it doesn't matter if is psytrance or chill or minimal tekno/house/d&b, I see the same thing:
many laptops on stage with guys looking into the monitor and trying to express themself moving a mouse....they may have Ableton in front of them or just chatting on sms, it would not make much difference,
few of them are relaxed, some very tense, most smoking and drinking beer.

off course is not simple to do a liveset of nowadays electronic music without a computer, expecially if u can't afford to bring a full band and have the Laurie Anderson tricks.
But I really have a feeling that livesets this days are just a ripoff or a showcase, and the main reason behind of it is that most of the times the artist get more than double money if is doing a liveset than if is just djing...and this is also the reason why so many djs start to produce music too.
I actually think that a dj is more aLive most of the times, he has to beatmatch, he has to choose the right tunes from different artists and do a story with it, while the artist liveset is just playing their last album same same everytime.

..maybe the all idea of a liveset is just dead, so let's take down the fu##ing stage (soulclipse experiences teaches) and let's stay in the background with our laptops...letting people free to imagine...instead of building those stages bigger and bigger but empty of any action.
Bom*shankar
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : May 14, 2006 19:25
Shulman are now playing a real live performance- I saw them live not long a go here in Israel with a bass player and drums and keyboard... and yes- computer also, of course. It was an amazing musical experience and I very very much recommend it. I was like nothing I seen before, and I wish it was in a festival and not a small pub. I don't understand why in soulclipse only one of the guys came with computer and that's it. It was great, but nothing like a real bend.
Carbon Based Lifeforms
Carbon Based Lifeforms (CBL)

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Posted : May 14, 2006 19:48
I both agree and disagree.

Sure the livesets are more fun to watch if the artist bring a lot of gear and even a dancer.
But unless you are a famous tranceartist the money is not that good. And the focus in this genre is the music, not the performer. The difference between a live act and a DJset is that (in most cases) the artist do special mixes and sets for the liveperformance. I for one try to play as much as possible live(even though it IS difficult for this kind of music) or at least remix for livesets. After all the musicians make the music, the DJ's "olny" plays the discs hence the moneydifference.

I agree, no need for a big glamerous stage.
Put the money to bigger speakers and money to the artists and DJ's

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shulman
Shulman

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Posted : May 14, 2006 20:03
i totaly agree thats why we worked hard on creating a real and special live show thingi. im tired of watching some guy moving a mouse and calling it a "live" show. i cant even imagine going to a jazz concert and see 4 guys playing with their mouses... its ridiculous.

to be honest i think that the traditional concept of live electronic music is retarded and bankcrupt. i agree that it has a lot to do with the natural constraints and boundries of electronic music. but, if putting enough effort into it, electronic music can translate very nicely into a real live show.

here are some pictures from the last show we did. we really enjoyed it and the energies were fantastic =)

(and plenty of beer too)

http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/87394/forum/51

password for the pics gallery is: shukibuki

theres nothing like the energy of a real live show. people playing together and transmitting real music to the world.

were trying to change the whole concept of electronic live shows and i hope that the audience will enjoy it as well =)

i will upload a recording from our live show soon to our website so the guys who hasnt seen and heard it yet can hear the difference.

peace
\Y.
Bom*shankar
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : May 14, 2006 20:12
Quote:

On 2006-05-14 19:48, Carbon Based Lifeforms wrote:
And the focus in this genre is the music, not the performer.



But I was only talking about music not about performance- the music sounds totally different- its much stronger experience- musically!!!
xerxes[no]
Xerxes

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Posted : May 14, 2006 20:14

i'll have to agree with daniel (CBL) on this one..
yes, i would not expect to see a jazz band play with their mouse. and that is simply because it is jazz. you dont expect a snooker player to tackle his opponent and hit him the face just because you also like to watch american football do you??

jazz and electronic music are two very different genres, and they are built upon very different foundations. when i go to a concert with an electronic artist, i dont want to see him move around on stage like a freak, or see how amazing he can play the piano. i just want him to give me a musical experience that i can enjoy, and relate to.

music is all that matters. performance is secondary. i would, however, be very disappointed if the artist didnt bring something new and exciting to the table. if he put his record on play, i would be ashamed. so i guess for electronic artists, preparation is the key.




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MercuryFall
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Posted : May 14, 2006 20:37
Interesting topic!

After playing my ambient project 'live' a few times over the last two years, I mainly pressed the Play button on my computer...

But last week, I had musician guests with me: a vocalist, a didgeridoo and a jewharp, that I mixed live with my music,EQuing them, playing filter and effects on them, and it was totally amazing!! I felt live for the first time!! Replacing my usual bass on some parts by a "bass only"-mixed didjeridoo playing live gave me goosebump...

So the beauty, I guess, is the mix of the two worlds! I'm really looking forward to the Shulman experience!!! Any chance you guys come and play in Europe one of these days??? Since you already produce one of my favourite music on the scene, I can't wait to hear the more 'organic' version...
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andrew interchill
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : May 14, 2006 23:14
Top respect to Shulman for doing it live... it is possible...

still... getting proper front of house sound, mic lines, monitors, soundcheck, travel costs for the other musicians requires proper effort and budget...

often the budgets just don't extend to covering this and so the laptop plugged into the dj mixer has come to mean "live".

daniel is right too though - often these laptop sets give the chance for artists to showcase live mixes and material specially adapted for the occasion...

this must be the minimum requirement...

it really breaks the spell though when the laptop dies mid track... musicians could just carry on, the computer has to start the tune again or just move on to the next one

Carbon Based Lifeforms
Carbon Based Lifeforms (CBL)

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Posted : May 14, 2006 23:45
Another thing to remember is that Ambient genre
doesn't really invite to "party" or interact much with the audience. These areas are ofter mainly for people to relax and in some cases sleep och enjoy a good trip. I myself enjoy more to play live with my other project Thermostatic where the tracks are more upbeat and people really interact and dances and what not http://www.thermostatic.se/galleries/2005-08-27_popular/thermo-storan-05.jpg

With CBL od SYNC24 it's mainly very smooth and dreamy tracks. There is us staring into the laptop and people enjoying lying down
http://carbonbasedlifeforms.net/img/pics/belgien1.jpg

However, there's another thing that really expand the liveperformance and that is video. Fairy Tales in London have VJ's interacting to the music, be it DJ's or live. Very appropriate to the Ambient genre. We're looking into that... But as Andrew said the budget is in most cases very low. So thers is no room for us yet to bring or expect vidoprojectors.

I for one hope that the Ambient genre gets more attention and bigger budgets so that we can expand the liveacts, respect to Shulman for taking the lead.

Live is important for us all. The artist for getting feedback on their music and also be able to promote it instead of just occasional plays by DJ's. And fans can see their "idols" live and perhaps even meet them for a chat. I've enjoyed both experiences and love it.



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ajdgroot


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Posted : May 15, 2006 01:21
I saw White Noise (David Vorhaus), Spyra and Ian Boddy yesterday. Three different shows, all with virtual studios and keyboards though. White Noise adding a few gadgets for a more visual spectacle and also a film on a big screen (Nasa footage). Spyra included a dancer on stage and films on large screen, Ian Boddy just played a continuous set (his new album to appear this fall), no screen, no extra's, just a powerbook and keyboards.

I thought all three were perfect. This is how EM is made; this is how it should be presented. Adding electronic gadgets and film and even a dancer is goof idea. All artists were exhausted though, it doesn’t need more, and I think it's brilliant like it is.
MercuryFall
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Posted : May 15, 2006 11:25
Quote:

I myself enjoy more to play live with my other project Thermostatic where the tracks are more upbeat and people really interact and dances and what not




man, i want to listen to that!!!! any releases??           V/A Floating Mirror - OUT NOW - with Celles, Midimal, Electrypnose, Melodix, Troll Scientists, Yab Yum, Gaspard, Ajja, Cradle of Beats! Info on
http://www.myspace.com/moonlooprecords
http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/mol/mol1cd001.html
Carbon Based Lifeforms
Carbon Based Lifeforms (CBL)

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Posted : May 15, 2006 12:40
MercuryFall>> Yes, http://www.thermostatic.se
A whole other genre..Synthpop..           ==============================
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ajdgroot


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Posted : May 15, 2006 15:20
Quote:

On 2006-05-15 01:21, ajdgroot wrote:
Adding electronic gadgets and film and even a dancer is goof idea.



[EDIT]

ah you know, not that anyone is bothered perhaps but just for my own peace of mind then i want to correct myself quickly: I didn't mean to write goof idea, i meant to write GOOD idea of course.
John
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : May 15, 2006 18:44
Some friends, the Chillage People, played at the last two BOOM festivals as a live band in the chillout area,

http://www.planetzogg.co.uk/gallery/album02/chillage_chilled

and had a lots of people saying afterwards how much they enjoyed hearing real instruments and having performers play live...

of course its not for everyone and as ever cost can be the major factor.. but there is something about live instruments thats hard to beat...
PKS
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Posted : May 15, 2006 18:55
Hi mauxuam
I heard your set at Soulclipse in Turkey, and I was positive surprised! I haven't heard much of your music before that... I didn't get to see if it was much live or not, because I was chillin' in the chai area while listening to your music...

Anyway, I think Andrew has a very good point here. It is expensive to bring entire bands to a gig, and because the chill out areas often has pretty few watchers, the organisers prior other things... My guess is that for example Shpongle plays very rare because it is expensive to bring all the artists. That's probably why Mr. Posford usually play Shpongle DJ sets...

It's really nice to hear that Shulman has gathered a group for their live sets. I want to see that some time! But, it is for sure not the first time we get full band live sets in chill out... One of my favourite live chill sets ever is Toires, who has been doing it for many years. I was lucky enough to see his performance in Morocco 2001, and it was really nice to hear a live set with so many live musicians on stage... Solar Quest has also delivered several nice live performances in the past, and also Jairamji.

For me personally, I usually don't care so much about how much live the artist give us. I know this is discussed a million times about trance artists too, but the "laptop live" way of doing it has been how electronic musicians has done it all the way. Even if they don't do much on stage, we often get different versions, remixes etc, which they have used a lot of time preparing before their gig. It's offcourse not entirely live, but it's not a dj set either, so for me it's ok that they call it a live set.

And in the chill out/ambient scene, I don't think the difference in payment is that big between a dj set and a live set... I think the payment mostly depends on how well known you are... I also think that many artists see it as a risk to bring expensive gear and instruments to a dirty forest/dessert/beach party... I know how dirty my simple CD case look after such a gig... Jazz concerts on the other hand, is mostly on "cleaner" clubs and venues...

Still, I can understand some artists frustration about this subject, because some artists put a lot into their live sets, bringing a lot to stage, while others don't do much at all, except for pushing their play button... Still, both will be called live I guess...
PKS



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