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MARGHERITA
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Posted : May 15, 2006 21:33
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Nice serious talking here,,,
High light tribe @ the soulclipse was amazing!!!!
Any one have see the peaking goddess collective playing around europe?
Make a chill or ambient live act is easy guys,,, but are you decent musicians for doing that ?
or just a midi file copy paster ?
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the major sound trouble playing live into psy trance party is the drums..
Better only laptop rythms for make fast big sound & less sound check.
I play all my grooves-playbacks into ableton,,all the instruments are separated & cutted into loops, that is realy cool & flexible,, & is also possible to keep the original structure or evolve whit other musicians into a completely different track.
I dont see to much artists doing that around.
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MercuryFall
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Posted : May 15, 2006 22:30
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For those who don't know the Peaking Godess Collective yet, it's an amazing 5-piece live band with bass, guitar, flute, percs, and of course computer. Each of the member take control of the loops one after the other while the rest of the band play along. Organic and always evolving, top notch and brain tickling, and interesting subliminal samples on top of it. That is LIVE!!!
Highlight Tribe is another fine example, with all their unusual instruments and fully acoustic set-up...
As for the booking problem, most organizers don't have the budget to afford full live bands like this in a chill room where only a few people are half asleep in... Except in London of course, which seems to be an ambient paradise!
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Trip-
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Posted : May 16, 2006 09:50
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Still, I can understand some artists frustration about this subject, because some artists put a lot into their live sets, bringing a lot to stage, while others don't do much at all, except for pushing their play button... Still, both will be called live I guess...
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There shouldn't be any frustration about that - maybe the frustration comes with how the crowd cares/doesn't care about the efforts one made. In the end the music will probably talk for itself.
Let's just concentrate on what we want to show, and not what others are showing... 
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MARGHERITA
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Posted : May 16, 2006 11:07
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Let's just concentrate on what we want to show, and not what others are showing...
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Thanks for this words trip, you resume my feeling very good.
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Carbon Based Lifeforms
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Posted : May 16, 2006 12:47
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xerxes[no]
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Posted : May 16, 2006 13:22
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Let's just concentrate on what we want to show, and not what others are showing...
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Show me yours and I'll show you mine 
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kinky!
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maux
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Posted : May 16, 2006 13:52
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I don't think that chill out areas are just for ppl who want to realax or sleep, expecially nowadays that the dancefloor is so boring, the chillout stage should be more and more an alternative to the big boom boom, a place for musicians (?) to experiment, and for dancers to flow in less structured rhythms. As I said in the beginning, it's defenetly difficult to make a proper liveset for this kind of music, expecially with the kind of ridicolous budget that most of the organizers are ready to invest into this. Still there are many ways to interact.
also the possibilities that moderns software offer us are far more intricated than just "press PLAY", and many ways to interact with fairly cheap remote controllers, still I see many ppl just stearing at the monitor while the track is just scrolling, and most of the times it would be the same if they were playing cds or even tapes (like mr Mad Professor does with his old style ADATs).
PKS, my "liveset" in Turkey was a very simple one, off course a laptop and a bass player (the bass player even payed the entrance ticket to the festival), I had my videos ready but I couldn't use them because there was no projector available (!) but I can say that I was very busy moving my knobs and faders remixing the separate tracks that I didn't look at the monitor too often, and didn't touch the mouse either.
The way I organized it is very open, infact it's possible even to have random guest musicians who can come to jam live with it. Still I can't say that this was a proper liveset and I want to evolve it more and more in a way that the computer is just a background tool and that my tunes could become a live transformation.
But nothing wrong to use a computer as PLAYBACK machine, but then my opinion is that it shouldn't be at the center of the stage with so much focus on it, but on a side, maybe even in the back, and it shouldn't be called a liveset too....maybe laptop set ?
Sure, maybe the focus has to be just on music, if is so then leave the stage empty.
I used to play in a ambient project called Ohmega Tribe 10 years ago and I was with my computers and gear in the soundman spot, in the middle of the room, on stage 3 musicians playing behind white screens and u could see only their shadows.
I started this topic not because frustrated, but because bored of it. Computers are at the center of everyday life of almost everyone, and we spend lots of hours in front of them, nothing exiting in seeing them on stage under the lights, let's experiment a bit more. |
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furthur
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Posted : May 16, 2006 17:55
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On 2006-05-16 13:52, maux wrote:
Computers are at the center of everyday life of almost everyone, and we spend lots of hours in front of them, nothing exiting in seeing them on stage under the lights, let's experiment a bit more.
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good idea
could be hard to implement with a lot of artists, but definitely worth looking into
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xerxes[no]
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Posted : May 16, 2006 18:22
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On 2006-05-16 13:52, maux wrote:
Computers are at the center of everyday life of almost everyone, and we spend lots of hours in front of them, nothing exiting in seeing them on stage under the lights, let's experiment a bit more.
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good idea
could be hard to implement with a lot of artists, but definitely worth looking into
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yeah. no. i dont like this idea at all. are you suggesting we remove computers from electronic music? why?
have they contemplated removing the brass section of orchestras because they are basically present in every single orchestral piece ever made? no..
have they suggested to remove electric gitars from rock'n'roll since well.. they ARE present in 99% of all bands since the beatles and way before that too.
come on people. don't deny what you are doing. you are making electronic music.. please perform it like it is meant to be performed.
i'm not saying NO to expermiments, and i am not saying NO to using live instruments in electronic music. i'm actually not saying NO to anything..
all i want is for us to understand who we are, and try to make the best of that. dont think that you are better or more valulable just because you bring a bass player to your set. there are nine million bass players in the world, nothing new or exciting about that.
just my two cents.
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maux
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Posted : May 17, 2006 01:14
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On 2006-05-16 18:22, xerxes[no] wrote:
come on people. don't deny what you are doing. you are making electronic music.. please perform it like it is meant to be performed.
dont think that you are better or more valulable just because you bring a bass player to your set. there are nine million bass players in the world, nothing new or exciting about that.
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infact I don't think to be better than anyone dear xerxses...I was just describing how I did my liveset till now and that I am not even satisfied with it (on a live point of view).
anyway I don't think that a computer is an instrument, it is a multitrack recorder and a very powerful organizer. a sequencer with a monitor. also the sounds that are produced are done by virtual instruments, a miniature emulation of real boxes....still you need to play those instruments with some keyboard and tweak them with some knobs...a mouse is a very primitive interface.
maybe there are milions bass players and drummers and brass sections, but the few of them that have some talent are working hard to perform live their parts, they can make mistakes or even improvize, they don't bring on stage a tape with the best takes of the recordings they did at home...do you get what I mean ?
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furthur
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Posted : May 17, 2006 06:11
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i did not understand maux to be saying that the computer should be taken out completely
i thought he meant that it just should not be THE focus of the live set
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Trip-
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Posted : May 17, 2006 08:18
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THE focus of the live set is the performer - the human who's doing stuff live.
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John
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Posted : May 17, 2006 14:57
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THE focus of the live set is the performer - the human who's doing stuff live.
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I thought it was the music...
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brij
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Posted : May 17, 2006 15:11
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Having read all of this thread, it seems that nobody here has a problem with live bands or with DJs, but with 'live acts' who are simply pressing play on their laptops. Surely if all you do on stage is mix tracks together then you are a DJ whether you use vinyl, cd or software.
Thus the problem is not to do with what the person on stage is doing, but how he is advertised on the flyers. Perhaps the term 'live act' should be reserved for the Peaking Goddess collectives of this world.
I do agree that stages seem to be getting bigger and bigger, and it is this that causes the crowd to focus too much on the musician rather than his music.
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xerxes[no]
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Posted : May 17, 2006 15:31
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On 2006-05-16 18:22, xerxes[no] wrote:
come on people. don't deny what you are doing. you are making electronic music.. please perform it like it is meant to be performed.
dont think that you are better or more valulable just because you bring a bass player to your set. there are nine million bass players in the world, nothing new or exciting about that.
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infact I don't think to be better than anyone dear xerxses...I was just describing how I did my liveset till now and that I am not even satisfied with it (on a live point of view).
anyway I don't think that a computer is an instrument, it is a multitrack recorder and a very powerful organizer. a sequencer with a monitor. also the sounds that are produced are done by virtual instruments, a miniature emulation of real boxes....still you need to play those instruments with some keyboard and tweak them with some knobs...a mouse is a very primitive interface.
maybe there are milions bass players and drummers and brass sections, but the few of them that have some talent are working hard to perform live their parts, they can make mistakes or even improvize, they don't bring on stage a tape with the best takes of the recordings they did at home...do you get what I mean ?
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yes sir i didnt mean to say anything "bad" about your statements.. i've heard your stuff and it is really really great, and i would think your style fits a setting with accoustic/live instruments.
i guess my point is, i enjoy the electronic sound far more than the accoustic one. hence i would be disappointed to hear my favorite electronica artist replace his awesome basslines with a plain boring electronic bass. just for the sake of it being more "live".
give me the electronic sound, and i am happy at the same time, dont just press play.. give the audience something special for showing up to hear your set.
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