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What happened to the real hippies from the 60s?
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 6, 2004 13:59
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no offence taken... i've got one friend who is schizophrenic and he is totally aware of his condition... and he didin't take drugs! it was a genetic situation.. and i see him has a normal person who has particular way of seeing the world, a very speciffic and individual way...
Mental disorder you say... well, i see mental disorder everywhere, i see mental disorder when a President of a nation sends plains to bomb inocent people, i see mental disorder when people kill each other for some gallons of oil, i see mental disorder when mankind keep killing our own planet, i see mental disorder when a so called "democratic society" leave hundreads of people starving to death just because there are no food there!! dont you think THIS is mental disorder??? and you come and talk bad way about ppl who do acid?? come on dimitri... you sont like drugs, ok, no problem with that, DONT DO IT!! but respect people who know how to use drugs in a wisely way, not every "acid-head" is by concept a "paranoic dude" or a "maniac"... some of them are even pretty smart people, cause if you dont know, it's proved that psycoactive subtances as LSD or Psilocibin makes your IQ grow, as well your counsciousness....
please people, we are all growned man, and we all know the good/bad things about drugs issues... leave it to each one own conscious!!!
peace
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 6, 2004 14:03
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ps - maybe most of those schizophrenic ppl you talk about use to do acid every weekend no?? and you blame the acid right??..... think about it...
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Dimitri
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Posted : Oct 6, 2004 14:05
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You have a point , i would think about it . |
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Oct 7, 2004 08:46
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lets say you where 30 years old in the 60ies.. thats now 44 years ago and today you would be 74 years old, so most of the hippies are probably in a oldfolkshome puffin on the sweet sensi  |
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slyman604
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Posted : Oct 7, 2004 16:50
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"Most ancient cultures that at least lasted for thousands of years (ie shamanic & hethen) was very much centered around the holy sacrament of psychedelic plants."
thats simply not true that most ancient cultures lasted for thousands of years. Cultures since the time of the greeks tend to last between 300-500 years while evolveing and then die. look up the dates of any euro "hethen" culture and you will see they usually were founded by a leader who organized things and then maybe the leaders son took over after but almost never did they last much longer after that.
if you actually study history you will see how things dont really change all that much, even going back 4000 years. |
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DvP
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Posted : Oct 7, 2004 17:45
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On 2004-10-06 13:59, Psilocibino wrote:
it's proved that psycoactive subtances as LSD or Psilocibin makes your IQ grow
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA 
Wait wait!!! Let me read it again...
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Man... It's been a while since I've read anything as funny as this. And the better part, I KNOW you believe in it.
One advice: select your information sources a little better.  |
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deeplydisturbed
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Posted : Oct 7, 2004 17:51
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i think theyre just chillin somewhere....let them be! |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 7, 2004 18:05
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"look up the dates of any euro 'hethen' culture"
I be glad to learn about more sources for that.
Me knowingly there is no such dating available.
You can read Beowulf, Jordanes, Snorre Sturlasson and Saxo Grammaticus and see what you can figure out from them. Thats pretty much what we have to go on if we are discussing european pre-history.
If you do actually study what as a matter of fact was going on 4000 years ago, you find that there is very little written that is not speculations.
The hindu system, although altered much during known history, remains one of the few systems where mythology from the 'hethen' systems is left.
South american cultures also had a very similar systems, as well as vikings.
There is also quite clear that these cultures have been trading and having exchange with eachother.
Maybe they didn't keep the same line of rulers at all times (although according to several sources the original swedish kingline dated back about 6000 years) , but that the fundamental culture and society itself have been changeing much there is not much evidence for.
Facts don't exist in this case, so we can only speculate.
For me when there is so much similarities between pre-historic cultures and their remains today(use of psychedelic plants, pyramid bulding, art designs, mythology), I do come to the conclusion that we had a connected and long lasting culture before.
I'm intrested to hear you speculations as well, but don't lecture me about sources and say 'simply not true' about something that you can actually prove yourself. |
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Dimitri
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Posted : Oct 7, 2004 18:15
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Good one Spindrift . |
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 7, 2004 18:23
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On 2004-10-07 17:45, DvP wrote:
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On 2004-10-06 13:59, Psilocibino wrote:
it's proved that psycoactive subtances as LSD or Psilocibin makes your IQ grow
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HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Wait wait!!! Let me read it again...
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHA
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Man... It's been a while since I've read anything as funny as this. And the better part, I KNOW you believe in it.
One advice: select your information sources a little better.
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DvP, if i believe it or not, mine problem! my sources are liable, what are yours? years and years of partys doing drugs cause they're cool stuff, and then seeing all your friends going mad and blame it on drugs?! right... are you a scientific investigator? what do you know then? try to get information about psychoactive substances from persons who have studiet it for their intired lifes, instead of being afraid of them just because your friends didn't have a clue about what LSD is, what is for, and what he can do to you...
WISELY used, it can makes you a better person..obviasly, in your case, it dind't worked!
peace
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Dimitri
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Posted : Oct 7, 2004 18:28
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Psilocibino you know better than , LSD is chemical which is unpredicteble . For some it can be the heal for some the curse at nerve system . Let's keep greatness and poorness of drugs out this forum . Please |
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 7, 2004 18:30
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Spindrift wrote:
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"For me when there is so much similarities between pre-historic cultures and their remains today(use of psychedelic plants, pyramid bulding, art designs, mythology), I do come to the conclusion that we had a connected and long lasting culture before. "
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no doubt about it mate, that lost knowledge from those civilizations would be usefull to give sence to this XXI century lost society! I think we know very few from our past history, and concequently, from ourselves!
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 7, 2004 18:41
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you're right dimitri, but i dont like to see ignorance talk out loud! several studies have been done in how lsd and psilocibin worked in our brains during the 70s, and almost all of them showed that the students in that test got IQ development of about 8/10 %, but one thing they DID NOT DO, was give lsd or psilicibin to the students EVERY WEEKEND!!
sorry for the off.topic!!
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furthur
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Posted : Oct 9, 2004 08:23
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On 2004-10-01 16:06, Honguito wrote:
But a culture based on the psychdelic drugs just don't seem to be sustainable.
That's what I think...
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I think it is sad that you and most people think that. I, for one, think that a civilization not based in at least some way on psychedelic experiences and substances is unsustainable. Shit, look where it has got us so far. If we can believe McKenna's theory of evolution, we were much better off and much more balanced when mushrooms made up an important part of our diet, before ego won and most of the world has spent thousands of years looking for the wrong kind of intoxication. (Food of the Gods)
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furthur
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Posted : Oct 9, 2004 08:37
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I got a bit ahead of myself, as I posted after reading only a couple of posts. After further reading, I see that most of I talk about has been touched on, but a very precise standpoint has not been articulated. That is that most of the problems we have today with the cliche that is the human condition is that we have during most of "civilized" history lost the ability to experience ego-loss. We have forgotten that we do not exist as individuals, but are all just different aspects of the energy that makes up our universe. Capitalism that was brought up towards the beginning of the thread is not the disease, it is merely one of the many symptoms of what I am talking about.
To touch on a different topic, and addressing myself primarily to Dima, I will use Leary's reasoning, and ask you if not LSD, what else? What other tool can you give me that is as efficient as LSD to change my brain? Until you can provide me with an answer to this question, there is not much to be talked about, as you and people that think like you are trying to take away my tool to change (for the better usually) a part of myself, the most important part, that is my consciousness, my mind (the brain that I talked about earlier might or might not change, that is a whole other can of worms that we will not open).
Finally, I think my signature says pretty well how I feel on this subject.
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