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What do you do to make our psyscene better?

Justin Chaos
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Posted : Jul 28, 2005 15:13
I let the people talk to me as equals and I let them worship me with style and determination.

And I created PSYBALL.

And I drink a lot of beer so the bars don't have any leftover problems

Anytime kids...anytime.
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celsung
Celsung

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Posted : Jul 30, 2005 19:58
Quote:

On 2005-07-27 19:18, epileptic poodle wrote:
last week i pulled a junkie out of the metro line... everyone was just standing round watching her... this didnt happen at a party though.




Related or not, good on you for helping someone when nobody else would.
Rah
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Posted : Jul 31, 2005 01:17
well i for one asked this same question about
3/4 months and decided to open a website in our spare time / with our own funds (we had advertisements but they made me sick so they were removed) for the difussion of our beloved genre.

The dish of the day is mainly reviews and interviews where people could go and check out what 'we' (as in group effort with a number of different tastes) considered fresh/ innovative psy trance coming out these days.

some labels/artists have realized we are doing this siply because we love the music, and we wish to pass along the message to a wider audience and they have they have been very supportive. Some others ignored our hummble efforts with a 'hollier than thou' attitude and that is fine, too... my guess is they did not have enough time take a P.R-101 class, but hey thats their problem...



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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Jul 31, 2005 01:51
Psytrance is general name for music genre we can't do nothing to it!
We all have different definition of "better".
This question remind me South Park episode dealing with hippies, since 70' hippies talk about changing the world to better one just no progress untill now!
Althought you can do better for your ill neighbour by buying him food or to help anytime when ppl ask you (when they really need in help). Thou it has nothing to do with psytrance.

Buying original CDs doesn't make psytrance any better, it just gives more money to artists and labels. As far as i understand rich artists usually release bullcrap so buying CDs is negative thing if you wish to make psytrance any better.

Creating sites for psytrance isn't more than time spent or hobby, be feel part of something more than help to psytrance so it is very dual meaning project with not much funds involved (about 5$ per month for hosting).

To the point, we need to keep our life intresting psytrance is hobby or work but we can't make it any better. I still miss the point of question thou poster is hippie but it goes away after some time!
Rah
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Posted : Jul 31, 2005 02:08
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On 2005-07-31 01:51, Willy Wonka wrote:
Psytrance is general name for music genre we can't do nothing to it!
We all have different definition of "better".
This question remind me South Park episode dealing with hippies, since 70' hippies talk about changing the world to better one just no progress untill now!



really what changed 'now' ??
there is a slight difference between hippies and psy trance... the latter is simply another music genre. I.e: is only meant to divert and entertain people not change the world mate.


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On 2005-07-31 01:51, Willy Wonka wrote:
Buying original CDs doesn't make psytrance any better, it just gives more money to artists and labels. As far as i understand rich artists usually release bullcrap so buying CDs is negative thing if you wish to make psytrance any better.



huh... what?
i don't know you, but i buy roughly 5-8 psy cd's per month on average, that i personally feel are worth the money. That money is ussually going to small/mediumk sized label wich actually needs the funds to continue their work... . i'm sorry but i think is a bit ignorant, not say contradictory to state 'buying cds is a negative thing - if you wish to make the psy scene better'. i mean read the sentence one more time... please


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On 2005-07-31 01:51, Willy Wonka wrote:
Creating sites for psytrance isn't more than time spent or hobby, be feel part of something more than help to psytrance so it is very dual meaning project with not much funds involved (about 5$ per month for hosting).



im not claiming my effort is nothing more than hobby, that is actually what i said no?
as for the rest of the message i have no clue what you're saying, it makes no sence. what exactly is dual meaning anyway??

i would love to know where i can get 5$ hosting plan as i pay a bit more... but i really don't see what it has to do with anything. should i be paying more so my efforts are more worth while?

the way i see it im helping psy trance by passing along the message to interested people by informing them what is the sound all about, who are the people behid the music and what is we consider ineteresting releses and why. like i said before psy trance is about music, not changing the world. The idea is that if more people listen to psy trance because of our efforts then mission is accomplished...

for one reason or another i have always loved music and i have coexisted with more musicians than i would like to so i know what it means to try to make a living out of your passions first hand. i love the scene because people used to be open minded, tolerant and extremeley fun... i beleive in that idea and i beleive more people should listen to psy trance... that is what im stating here...
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MooMachine(MOICH)




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Posted: Jul 31, 2005
hoooo its so simple....

partys without full on shit !!! and put more and more tech!!!

tech tech tech!!!           atTECH!!!
Willy Wonka
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Posted : Jul 31, 2005 21:16
:Quote:
really what changed 'now' ??
there is a slight difference between hippies and psy trance... the latter is simply another music genre. I.e: is only meant to divert and entertain people not change the world mate.
:Quote:

The comparison was between hippies and person who asked the question! Nor psytrance with hippies!


:Quote:
huh... what?
i don't know you, but i buy roughly 5-8 psy cd's per month on average, that i personally feel are worth the money. That money is ussually going to small/mediumk sized label wich actually needs the funds to continue their work... . i'm sorry but i think is a bit ignorant, not say contradictory to state 'buying cds is a negative thing - if you wish to make the psy scene better'. i mean read the sentence one more time... please
:Quote:

Yes, it will give the money to labels, and you will support psytrance label but not community , you will just give money to one who don't need to get it, better to say money to underdogs. It's like giving money to poor, it has possitive and negative results as you keep him with food but he won't ever move from being poor because he likes to get things for free! Labels should release good quality material once they don't so your support change nothing but giving boost to place which shouldn't exist!

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Webspace
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Really research a market many hosting plans starts from 4-5$ (with 500mb webspace and low monthly traffic which is probably what your small site needs) + domain registration about 9$ yearly or get free domain like .tk!


My point was to show that there is much more self pleasure than help to community which can't get help in whole we do and think it is for community! I think the question asked wrong so it's not about you.

Now for giving message to ppl with you site, i don't know what message you give but psytrance became much more known because of internet for past 5 years (i'm in scene since 96'-97'). We can argue about if awarness to psytrance is good or bad for community we started long ago, there is pro and cons but you know them as i do! Bigger doesn't mean better, sites like yours advertise psytrance you think is good, so more chanses it will be music for wider crowd and will make that music as most of psytrance is now!
Rah
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Posted : Jul 31, 2005 22:00
Quote:

On 2005-07-31 21:16, Willy Wonka wrote:

Yes, it will give the money to labels, and you will support psytrance label but not community , you will just give money to one who don't need to get it, better to say money to underdogs. It's like giving money to poor, it has possitive and negative results as you keep him with food but he won't ever move from being poor because he likes to get things for free! Labels should release good quality material once they don't so your support change nothing but giving boost to place which shouldn't exist!



i'm finding it really hard to beleive you just compared giving money to labels is like giving money to the poor... i guess we just come from very different places... my support and everyone's support changes everything IHMO, it's about telling those people that make the music you like, that you are supporting their efforts by buying their art/products... regardless of whether is a small or a huge label. A statement like 'good quality material' is based on opinion, you might think it sucks some people on the other hand will like it. and is their right to think so, you and I are nobody to tell them what they should or shouln't listen...

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On 2005-07-31 21:16, Willy Wonka wrote:
Really research a market many hosting plans starts from 4-5$ (with 500mb webspace and low monthly traffic which is probably what your small site needs) + domain registration about 9$ yearly or get free domain like .tk!



I'm going to repeat my statement one more time... Should i be paying more/less money so my efforts will be more worthy / valid? (this is a rethorical question )


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On 2005-07-31 21:16, Willy Wonka wrote:

My point was to show that there is much more self pleasure than help to community which can't get help in whole we do and think it is for community! I think the question asked wrong so it's not about you.



Well there is some pleasure in doing what we do. But i could just as well be sitting in front of my TV or out & about doing things that to be honest give me a lot more pleasure, but i'm not. I am not getting paid to do it... so i mean who cares? In my view of the scene, the community is based on the people that make the music, organize the events make things happen so the rest of us can band in these events and have a fun time, without them there is no community.


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On 2005-07-31 21:16, Willy Wonka wrote:
Now for giving message to ppl with you site, i don't know what message you give but psytrance became much more known because of internet for past 5 years (i'm in scene since 96'-97'). We can argue about if awarness to psytrance is good or bad for community we started long ago, there is pro and cons but you know them as i do! Bigger doesn't mean better, sites like yours advertise psytrance you think is good, so more chanses it will be music for wider crowd and will make that music as most of psytrance is now!



Of course the internet helped spread the word about Psy trance... but the internet did not do it alone, it happen because of places like this, like psynews, like psyreviews, etc, etc... is the people behind the computers who decided to do something positive about it, not the technology.

Our message just like the message of isratrance like many other places is simple... we like the music and here it is why... if we can find more people that think alike and share our tastes then we are passing the message along to more folks. is that simple really...
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full_on
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Posted : Aug 1, 2005 01:05
Well, I think that if someone work on something (for example, collecting garbage on the ground, or putting an website online with good infos or even working out money to buy releases they like and attending parties were they favorite artists play), the work will possibly have an objective.

Objectives like "making available real info about psytrance" or "making a party more attractible" or "supporting labels and artists you believe to be releasing psychedelic stuff" may have an "good" effect on the psyscene or on what people thing about the psyscene.

In fact, I don't believe in "Good or Evil", these are adjectives we attach to actions and things. Is a Lion evil because he eats a human? Is an Alien evil if he abduct a human? Is manking evil? Is a label evil because it release bad music? Is Dark Psy evil?
But my question was not supposed to bring out such questions. For these ones I recommend you to read Nietzsche.


So answer: What you do that you think to have a positive impact on the scene?
(please do not answer something like: I hate Skazi!)
Respect!

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Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 1, 2005 01:05
to Rah:

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I'm going to repeat my statement one more time... Should i be paying more/less money so my efforts will be more worthy / valid? (this is a rethorical question )
:Quote:

No mate, this wasn't my point. It doesn't matter how much you spent if it keeps you satisfied with your "donations". You just had mention ("with our own funds") , so i say it is not that much. My father collects coins as hobby and he "pays" around 100$ monthly for his pleasure. I wouldn't call him a "hobby freak", because i spent much more on audio hardware without any income (from music production). The point is <<I like to produce music>> and last thing i care about is how it will change genre i produce (house/dance)! The ones who speak of change do speak only or produce some wierdo something ( i wouldn't call it music, collection of samples with certain formation). The ones who make the "revolution" in music are the ones who spent all their time and talent + keeping it quiet! Not my case thou.

Cheers, i hope you don't take my words as offence of any kind.


to Full_on:

To increase bit music and listeners quantity with a lot of improvement in quality! This would be my "life-goal" for psytrance as music.

How would i do that,..
Would never buy CD unless after long time i still think it is good.
Wont go to party where is not that great line up.
Would review bad CDs with sarcasm to make artist and label to look like clowns.
Would advertise good and "discriminate" bad music, labels and artists.

Possitive feedback for scene at all is to have this kind of forums! So we can discuss, change ppl's opinions! this forum one of these forums who make a progress with anti bad-made music campaign. Skazi isn't only the case, many does even more bad music, then call themselfs "underground", FFS, "viva la resitance". See how many ppl actually dislike Skazi these days on forum, so even you ask not to blame him for bad music (when he is not the only guilty person).

It will take a lot of time but i think it worth it. Like now many opened eyes to how bad music these days, three years ago all were saying, no it's new wave, it creative you just don't understand, or bullcrap like that! No more and more ppl really see what's goin on with psytrance, so some will find the way to change it, this will be only personal way so don't take my examples as "right or wrong", it just IMHO.
Rah
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Posted : Aug 1, 2005 01:38
hey! we finally agree on something! :P

just a little clarification, we don't take 'donations' anyone dumb enough to send us money could surely put it to better use in other charity funds where it will go to better use ;)

i did mention is a project that is coming from our funds, but simply to let people our efforts are unremunerated and indepedant of record labels, or shops... as to clear any doubts.

i did not take offence in your words as you did not offend anyone... but i did take the time answer in detail because it is an idea i believe in and i have spend a bit of time on it. Fortunatelly some people have found it useful as visitors keep poppin in every day, so this alone makes the effort wothwhile :)           elementoftime.net
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Posted : Aug 1, 2005 14:29
I'm not that much of a scene person but I think I do my share for this scene:

When I go to parties I try to leave as less garbage as possbile and to throw all the garbage in the bins and not in the nature or the floors. Besides that I try to spread a good vibe instead of bitching about the DJs or whatever. I also buy a lot of original releases to show my appriciation for the labels and artists so they can produce new stuff with my money.
Box of Dirt


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Posted : Aug 1, 2005 14:56
no one has mentioned that we should all become Bio-chemists and make our own acid to share at parties
Willy Wonka
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Posted : Aug 1, 2005 16:01
Is psytrance about using chemicals or cleaning earth? I think there are other organizations responsible for these duties, some illegal thou.
traveller
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Posted : Aug 1, 2005 16:20
I make the sure the ladies are having a good time

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