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What about FAKE?

Ott^
OTT

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Posted : Jun 29, 2005 01:57
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On 2005-06-16 21:16, Just_the_simple_truth wrote:
Always end up the same at the end here on isra, ppl that are jelous at the most famous artists, The most famous artists that dont give a fuck about what ppl say about them, and the rest of the ppl that dont care and go to the partys anyway just to have fun.



Now that really IS "just the simple truth"...
Colin OOOD
OOOD/Voice of Cod

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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 00:58
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On 2005-06-16 14:09, Lithium wrote:
most live acts resume to some tweaking in the filter frequency. it´s the way things work. noone plays melodies in live acts, it´s insane and almost impossible, only if the melody is really simple like 1 or 2 notes.



Speak for yourself mate!

Obviously, not everyone who writes trance can actually play a musical instrument - so are the people who demand musicianship in their live acts saying that artists without traditional music skills should forget about presenting their tracks in a live setting?

[forgive me if this has already been raised, but I haven't read the whole thread yet, I just needed to reply to this post ]

Oh, and by the way, this is OOOD live:

http://www.triskelemanagement.com/artists/oood/05.jpg
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 01:36
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On 2005-07-02 00:58, Colin OOOD wrote:
Oh, and by the way, this is OOOD live:

http://www.triskelemanagement.com/artists/oood/05.jpg
http://www.triskelemanagement.com/artists/oood/03.jpg



damn, that's impressive! how many of you are there?


          ..it's just another party..
Colin OOOD
OOOD/Voice of Cod

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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 01:42
OOOD (psytrance) = four people on stage. Live percussion, keyboards, samples, FX. Main tracks are played back from Traktor so that we can all concentrate on the performance. Two laptops.

Unconscious Collective (eclectronic/chillout) = between four and six people on stage depending on the gig, including two singers, full drum-kit, acoustic/electric guitar, violin, percussion, keyboards, samples & FX. Again, main tracks are played back from Traktor so that we can all concentrate on the performance. Two laptops.

Eventually I want to transfer the playback side of it away from Traktor to something like Ableton Live so that we can mess with the tracks more but it's difficult finding the time what with everything else I've got on (job, other musical projects etc). Still, every set is different with 4 - 6 musicians jamming on stage!
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Lithium
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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 12:54
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On 2005-07-02 00:58, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2005-06-16 14:09, Lithium wrote:
most live acts resume to some tweaking in the filter frequency. it´s the way things work. noone plays melodies in live acts, it´s insane and almost impossible, only if the melody is really simple like 1 or 2 notes.



Speak for yourself mate!

Obviously, not everyone who writes trance can actually play a musical instrument - so are the people who demand musicianship in their live acts saying that artists without traditional music skills should forget about presenting their tracks in a live setting?

[forgive me if this has already been raised, but I haven't read the whole thread yet, I just needed to reply to this post ]

Oh, and by the way, this is OOOD live:

http://www.triskelemanagement.com/artists/oood/05.jpg
http://www.triskelemanagement.com/artists/oood/03.jpg



hi collin
can´t speak for myself on this issue cause i don´t play live. and also i´m not saying "all" lives but "most" lives work this way. i believe OOOD live is diferent but also you are 4 guys on stage. now imagine just yourself at stage playing live. how much could you (one person) play live? ok you can choose to play the melodies but then no tweaking in filters. just a matter of choice i believe
Colin OOOD
OOOD/Voice of Cod

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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 14:23
Playing melodies and tweaking filters simultaneously is perfectly possible - we all have two hands, after all, and I do this all the time. It's even possible to play melodies, tweak the filter, change feedback on a delay AND control the level of the sound, all at the same time, but you need a foot-pedal and breath controller. And before you say "that's impossible, no-one can do that" - this is why people practise playing musical instruments for hours a day.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
OOOD 5th album 'You Think You Are' - www.is.gd/tobuyoood :: www.OOOD.net
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joeking


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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 14:52
I might be completely wrong here, but I think a lot of artists make music on computer *only*. They don't know how to use much of the equipment you see being used in OOOD's set. So, it's hardly surprising that many artists can only play live with a laptop.

I don't see anything wrong with that. People just need to know what to expect from each artist, and artists and promoters shouldnt mislead people into thinking they will see something that they won't.
HandA
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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 15:13
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On 2005-07-02 14:52, joeking wrote:
I might be completely wrong here, but I think a lot of artists make music on computer *only*. They don't know how to use much of the equipment you see being used in OOOD's set. So, it's hardly surprising that many artists can only play live with a laptop.

I don't see anything wrong with that. People just need to know what to expect from each artist, and artists and promoters shouldnt mislead people into thinking they will see something that they won't.



Exactly.. So I suggest that promoters and those artist that click the mouse from now on write "playback" instead of "Live" on the flyers. Then people know what to expect.
EYB
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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 15:19
U can also do live with just a computer, maybe a midikeyboard, but it doesn't look as good as four people playing 'real' instruments            Signature
HandA
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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 15:22
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On 2005-07-02 15:19, EYB wrote:
U can also do live with just a computer, maybe a midikeyboard, but it doesn't look as good as four people playing 'real' instruments



One computer does not really strike me as playing live. Not even if you twist afew knobs on the mixer or press a key on the keyboard.

I guess people have different understanding of the term "live".

To me it's actually playing something live.
Colin OOOD
OOOD/Voice of Cod

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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 15:27
In about 2001 I played in Belgium at a party where Toi Doi was playing. He bought his own PC - not a laptop, but the full desktop machine - and did the whole set off Ableton Live (version 1, at the time). It was the first time I'd seen that software, although I'd heard of it, and I didn't really know what was going on with it but I know he had a LOT of samples loaded up. The set was pretty damn live, I think, with totally improvised arrangements and effects.

Afterwards I heard a lot of people saying that they were disappointed because they thought all he'd done was to press play, even though they'd just heard one of the most live sets ever. You can't win, it seems... but it was this that made me realise that a vital part of any live act is the 'show' element - the dancefloor needs to see that something is happening, and they need to see a direct correlation between the action on stage and the sounds coming out of the speakers.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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HandA
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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 15:33
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On 2005-07-02 15:27, Colin OOOD wrote:
In about 2001 I played in Belgium at a party where Toi Doi was playing. He bought his own PC - not a laptop, but the full desktop machine - and did the whole set off Ableton Live (version 1, at the time). It was the first time I'd seen that software, although I'd heard of it, and I didn't really know what was going on with it but I know he had a LOT of samples loaded up. The set was pretty damn live, I think, with totally improvised arrangements and effects.

Afterwards I heard a lot of people saying that they were disappointed because they thought all he'd done was to press play, even though they'd just heard one of the most live sets ever. You can't win, it seems... but it was this that made me realise that a vital part of any live act is the 'show' element - the dancefloor needs to see that something is happening, and they need to see a direct correlation between the action on stage and the sounds coming out of the speakers.




Colin you got to agree that it's very boring to see someone standing behind a computer working the mouse - no matter if he's working hard or not.

The point is that 50% (if not more) of a concert experience is the show. Who would pay money to see U2 stand behind a mixer

And that takes me to my opinion about parties and "liveacts".

personlly I think that parties should avoid livemusic and go for Dj's. Most liveacts I have seen at parties break the flow and what happens time after time is that many people stand and watch instead of dancing. And we can all agree that dancing is the main point why we make parties

I believe "liveacts" fit much better at festivals where it's more like an concert than a party (journey).
Spindrift
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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 15:45
For sure you can use a computer with a MIDI keyboard and actually play live.

I don't understand what HandA means...is keyboards not possible to play melodies in real time with, or is it when they are connected to a computer that it automatically means you can only "press one key on the keyboard".

The point Colin makes is very true.
Personally i think the attention to the stage is only negative when it's on a dancefloor, but I would not mind to see you live in a chill-out or daytime in a festival.

But it is a shame that people seem to think that computers is automatic and hardware or instruments is not.
Even acts that use a lot of people on stage with real instruments have almost always prefixed linear arrangements playing back if the basis for the music is electronic.
Just because someone is hammering away on a drum on top or playing one of the melodies on a keyboard doesn't mean that it truly a live performance.
Most of the sounds will be sequenced or recorded in advance, so it's more like singback than a real live.

Software like abelton makes it possible to control the whole arrangement in realtime to follow the crowd.
Thats what live in trance should be about IMO, to be able to follow the crowd, not get the crowd to follow you.
And the potiential to achive that is now greater with a laptop and a controller than with a big mixer and a lot of hardware unless you have some 10-15 people on stage including a good drummer and a bunch of super tight keyboard players.           (``·.¸(``·.¸(``·.¸¸.·`´)¸.·`´)¸.·`´)
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 15:47
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On 2005-07-02 15:33, HandA wrote:
And that takes me to my opinion about parties and "liveacts".

personlly I think that parties should avoid livemusic and go for Dj's. Most liveacts I have seen at parties break the flow and what happens time after time is that many people stand and watch instead of dancing. And we can all agree that dancing is the main point why we make parties

I believe "liveacts" fit much better at festivals where it's more like an concert than a party (journey).


Blimey...for once I'll have to agree 100% with what HandA says           (``·.¸(``·.¸(``·.¸¸.·`´)¸.·`´)¸.·`´)
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HandA
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Posted : Jul 2, 2005 15:49
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On 2005-07-02 15:45, Spindrift wrote:
I don't understand what HandA means...is keyboards not possible to play melodies in real time with, or is it when they are connected to a computer that it automatically means you can only "press one key on the keyboard".



Thats not what I meant at all. I meant that some artists just stand and press one key to trigger a loop or a sample. And dont say i am wrong. I've seen it countless times.
That to me is hardly anything to do with actually playing a melody (to use an example).
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