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shamanizer
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Posted : Mar 3, 2006 10:36
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Gotta admit I didn't take time to read all replies. I read the first and few other replies and my reply is based on that.
Sometimes I feel like described in the first reply. Then again, I also feel that Average Joe's life is not for me, house, kids, family wagon etc.
In fact, after I stopped travelling, which took five years, I returned to Finland, went to university, got a degree, got a steady job as a project coordinator, got a wife, got a car, everything that society expects you to do, all in another five years. Didn't give up psytrance though, I admit that I haven't been to many parties during this time, but I still feel strong connection to psyscene.
Now, after living "ordinary" life for about five years I'm planning to give it all away. It just doesn't satisfy me. Of course there's much pressure from society, family etc. but I cannot continue living my life unsatisfied. Now, I'm planning to travel again, look for something new, something different, that's what keeps me interested and satisfied. So I just try to keep my eyes opened and look for a new direction in my life knowing that I can always go back to "ordinary" life if I want to.
It doesn't matter if you are in psy scene or any other, you can still succeed in your life, ask yourself is it really the only way of life that society dictates us, what makes it better than some other way of life? Its your life and as far as I'm aware you got only one, so its better to make it worth, to live it in the way that satisfies you, not others. Still, remember to respect other people's choices, but ask them to respect also yours.
So, to your question: Until when? Until you feel like it.
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Dogon
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Posted : Mar 3, 2006 14:09
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Love everything you do....... everything will follow you the way you choose to........ 
The day you wont Love nething you do, you'll get bored of it or wont like it doing anymore, though you might have to do it & it make is even more annoying & irritating for you. So just Love & give your 100% to whatever you choose to do.....
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psychedelicious
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Posted : Mar 3, 2006 14:10
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maybe its all about catching the signs ;-) |
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technoid
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Posted : Mar 3, 2006 14:31
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Man, I relate to so much of what I've read here. I turned 30 this year and I've been gradually slowing down for the last 2-3 years really. I used to really cane it hard, every weekend for several years, did the travelling and partying, and after a while I realised it was starting to leave me feeling hollow. I lost friends to drugs, other people knocked it all on the head and had children and settled into the 'normal' life, and there are other friends older than me in a bit of a bad place, still doing the same things, and others still partying as hard as ever and still keeping it totally together. I'm somewhere inbetween at the moment, travelling again but not partying so much, but I feel like I'm getting it sorted, whatever 'sorted' is. I guess you've just got to do what's right for you. Real friends stay with you whatever path you take. It's a cliche but it's good to remember that life is a journey, not a destination... and inner peace is the most important thing you can possess.
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Tweak!
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Posted : Mar 4, 2006 00:53
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Hi all
i have 2 say that i agree with surrender, sometimes when i am at a party, and i look around, i dont know if its only my scene cuz i have 2 say the mexican scene its really fucked up, its nothing compared to what it was like 5 or 6 years ago, now it looks like al the purposes of the trance music have been forgotten, now its just making partys 2 get money, or going to a party just to get really high on anything, i mean i look everywhere, and there r a lot of people inhaling thinner, or gasoline, or stuff like that, and people now just dont know what is this about, and i start to think, why.... i am getting involved into djing, and i wonder, do i really want to play 4 this people? i am aware that my scene its one of the poorest, not because of numbers, because there r a lot of people that assists to da partys, but we r really poor because of ideals, people now just dont care 4 no one except 4 themselves, u get robbed at partys, when the main artist is playing, the camping houses begin 2 walk by themselves lollollol, no 4 real, and i just wonder untill when..... i know that over the world, there must be a real scene, and i know that a lot of u guys enjoy this utopic scene, but it makes me wonder if i ever will be part of this, if the mexican scene will ever be cleansed, and all this gets related because i start to think... if i wanna be part of it, if i wanna keep my lifestyle going on, cuz ther r times to change....... i know that i love trance with all my body, mind and soul, its so much bigger than we can xplain, trance has been there 4 me when no one else has, it has showed me to be a better person everyday, and to love and respect every human being, or any way of life,it has taught me to enjoy every single second of life, and it gets me real mad the fact that maybe we the mexican auddience r destroying it, so sometimes i think about getting out of it, u know? to have a lets say normal life, but then it strikes at me... hey trance didnt abbandoned me right?, so why should i abbbandon trance!!! very often i think about how it would be to have a regular life, and i cant say that it sucks, because i cant judge something that i dont understand, that i dont live, and then i realize that i simply love this.... XD and that i can do something 4 it and that i can have a good life always balancing trance with obligations, so all this bullshit that i`ve wrote just 4 saying that with a good balancing, u can be really happy!!!!, u dont have 2 be a drugaddict, or an alcoholic, or a bum to be parto of this scene, u just have to love it, and realize that u can have or be what ever u want, whithout the neccesity of desserting 2 trance... this is my very own oppinion, so, be happy all of u, and dont let tribal things get into yer mind and fuck it all up!!!!!
The best of da vibes 4 all of u guys, and keep the spirit on!!!!!!!!! |
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clown
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Posted : Mar 4, 2006 02:44
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That part of all this i don't understand is, Surrender, how does trance hold you back from being "normal" ?? IF yo must, use myself as an example.. I have a normal job, getting paid a normal salary (nothing to jump for joy over), i've graduated from Cegep (not University because i have always hated school), im starting up a label with clean money that i earned working (not selling drugs, stealing from people nor from throwing parties), I have a stable girlfriend who loves me with all her heart (and has nothing to do with psytrance), i still hit parties when they are interesting (musical wise) and still have a HUGE passion for mixing, I bought a car (took a loan from the bank), i have a credit card, i have travelled to a few places out of this cold Canada, soon enough, i will be able to start saving some money to pay off debts accumulated (from the car, label, equipement, credit card, CD's) and think about children and a house.
In no way is psytrance holding me back from being a humain. I have recently decided that i can do without "the high life", i do not watch TV however nor do i ever want to and i pitty the average joe waiting for that Kelly slept with Dillan last night after the big party over in 90210....
Good luck finding yourself surrender because you seem confused in your path of life.
btw, im only 24 myself
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Acidhive
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Posted : Mar 4, 2006 02:54
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Or you can just listen this stuff as music, that's what it is in its purest form. And then just live a normal life beside it I know I do! 
"Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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Freeflow
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Posted : Mar 4, 2006 06:33
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im not happy about my life, but i dont do much to change it....
if you want change you have to work for it...
i could start now.. but i need to sleep 
surrender maybe you need routine like i do...
all these people you talk about has built their life around routine... you can make your own routine, no need to follow societys routine... as long as you got one that works for you...
my time is not enough, it just slips out of my hands...
i think it has to do with my mental reality... i make up the problems in my mind... so i block my self instead of just doing the things i should.
break out of the sphere.... just do what you know you have to do to make a positive change to your life... lets not sit around and wait no longer! but dont expect to do it all at ones, small steps builds solid foundations and leaves room for thought..
if i could follow this words i would probably be a happier human...
i need to organize my surroundings. |
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Aluxe
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Posted : Mar 4, 2006 08:28
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Surrender, what you are saying is normal. My advise to you is make the changes you need and get your shit together so you can live with the comforts that suit you.
This does not mean you need to loose your psychedelic side, you know everyone has to work anyhow so you might as well get smart about it. Getting in control of your life can actually help you get back to what you really want to do with more power and greater possibilities.
And about trance. Leave it, take a break, come back to it later, explore freely. it doesn't matter. Just don't worry, its good to taste different things in life, all for the better. Its all the same dance man anayways, and hell yeah as shocking as this may sound yup, there is more to life than psy trance parties.
And just because you pursue a more organized and financialy secure life does it mean you are sucked into the normal boring life. In Mexico there was guy who was smart about making money and he built a bunch of amazing mushroom shaped houses next to a forest and lives quite the groovy life with great psychedelic parties and all the comforts anybody would want. It has been a very nice inspiration for me. They are amazing and very nice people.
It just goes to show, you can have it all. |
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_Vanessa_
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Posted : Mar 4, 2006 19:52
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surrender, ...
you can do it!... Everybody can.
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Surrender
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Posted : Mar 4, 2006 20:05
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guys, this topic is around 3 years old... no need to reply to my post in a personal way now
i actually think that the replies to this topic and the discussion that arose from it are far better then the original post.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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crovax
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Posted : Mar 4, 2006 20:15
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OT: Why not reply? It is the first topic on isratrance i have seen on isratrance that has been serious and not off topic... alot of good stuff |
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Anogenic
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Posted : Mar 11, 2006 14:25
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I've now finally come to realize that psytrance is just a way for people us people stuck in todays society to escape from our pain and disillusion, a desperate attempt to pretend things are better then they are. It's a blanket you pull over yourself so you can't see reality, but when you wake up on Monday morning nothing has changed... It's a happy dream you can put yourself in and you'll try and keep on dreaming as long as you can, mine lasted a bit over 3 years.
Then one day you wake up.
You realise that all you have been doing is dreaming, that you are at the same point in your life as when you started, that you are going nowhere except clinging onto the society you were against in the begining. During your dream you slipped away from society, you are maybe no longer fully in it, but still there holding onto it with one hand and you don't see how you could let go.
This is where I am right now. I'm looking to let go for real. Enough of the dream, it's all or nothing. Psytrance means nothing to me anymore - if anything when I go to a party I just realise more and more of what I dislike about our society, the selfishness of people, the egos, the hormones, people spending money to fuck themselves up, all because their everyday lives are so boring and lame. A psytrance party is not an escape from society - it's a deep reflection of it.
So what would letting go of todays society mean? I'm still looking for the solution. I guess it would mean travelling throughout the world, living with people who have nothing and who are nevertheless alot happier then us, helping them build (or rebuild) their lives. Living with very little money, finding odd jobs here and there in western countries and then going back to the poor countries with enough to survive. Living out of a truck maybe, the nomadic lifestyle. Helping other people rather then helping ourselves, because we have everything already so helping others is the only way left to help ourselves. They can bring even more to us then we can bring to them. This is what I see at the moment as the only truely meaningful thing I could do with my life.
It will certainly take a large pair of balls to do this, it's not any easy choice to make, especially that I have alot going for me at the moment, if I want in one month I can be signing my name on a business of which I will own 25%, but this is just another way of getting stuck here in this society. I think the only thing I need at the moment is to find my other half, a girl with the same point of view who would be ready to give it all up in the name of true life.
I don't mean to be too hard on psytrance, I quit the green 11 days ago after 5 years of enjoying it everyday- that is really what will put you in the daydream. And without psytrance and grass I would have never come to these ideas. Would love to hear your comments on this.
Surrender, where are you now, 3 years after your original post?
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Acidhive
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Posted : Mar 11, 2006 14:58
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On 2006-03-11 14:25, dms25 wrote:
if anything when I go to a party I just realise more and more of what I dislike about our society, the selfishness of people, the egos, the hormones, people spending money to fuck themselves up, all because their everyday lives are so boring and lame. A psytrance party is not an escape from society - it's a deep reflection of it.
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Correct. This is how I've always viewed the partying drugusing crowd in this scene. I've been in this scene since 1996 and in it for the music alone. I'm still enjoying this music, and never having been to a party has helped in that regard I think. At least after reading some of your posts here I praise myself for staying away from the parties (and the drugs for that matter).
"Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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PsySlim
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Posted : Mar 11, 2006 15:04
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yeah surrender its been 3 years now.. where are u? have u changed anythign about your life yet or after rethinking over what u said in the 1st message of this post u accept your life and enjoying it?
P.s. great topic surrender.. got to hear alot from the philosophical side of the peopel here
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