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etnarama
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Posted : Jan 16, 2006 21:50
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As a Portuguese resident in London for almost 4years sometimes i lose track of whats going on in tugolandia....
Yesterday i spend about 3hours going from so called labels and organisers web-pages to another and started understanding that there's shit loads of labels (counted at least 8) party organizers, live acts, dj's....
i think every district can have their own set of djs, label and organisers....
I also noticed that half of them are only two person TEAM'S, so its kinda Mr ZE Augusto and his neighbour that creates a label and start creating music on Fruity and they create 3 live acts, one is Mr Augusto, the second is the neighbour and the third live is them together..... and when they think they are ready they create a big event with these live acts, and contract 2 big names for the party. In the night of the party everyone sees that there's no big names, just Mr Augusto and his neighbour and friends, and that's the money done.....
Also seen some very ugly websites (and unprofessional)and some very professional websites, then there's also those labels and orgs that are currently working on their website (loads as well)....
In such a small country were is this taking us???
I haven't noticed in the UK this happening....... just a curious fact here in London there's about the same population as the whole of portugal!!!!
I also saw written somewhere here that the quality is getting worst live acts wise....
My idea------
Someone buys a plot of land of about 10Km and do some kind of sound isolation (natural or man made)and every week they could stage parties in a neutral place (centre region) kinda of opening a gigantic "club" but keeping the circus tent environment, furthermore every org should be able to stage parties there, form a cultural association with the government or something... and then create three labels and destroy all the rest.....
Another thing with the amount of djs and live acts what are people doing? are they killing to play or just fucking around???
This is just something i would like to see discussed in an civilised way and please give your input and don't kill nobody, please. specially me
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Ren
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Posted : Jan 17, 2006 06:33
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For starter i apreciated the flag you chose... it tell's a lot about the way you feel about us (Portugal i mean)...
Regarding the comparison i think that you are tryng to compare two different worlds:
England - London to be more precise - First the people that live there are in a way more evolved than us because theyr history tell us so... London is one of the capitals of Electronic music and is a city where many different people meet, some go there with particular interests others to work only... It's natural that english people (and we have to compare the english with the portuguese) don't have this "desorganised" way of doing thing's because they know what they have to pull to get a party rolling and if you dont know,over there is much more difficult to do a party than here much because of the laws and the police (if they do an illegal party and get busted... they are doomed)
Portugal - Our people, and the history tell's that we are the kind of people that reflect the expression - Let it Go - so is easyer to do a party here in portugal for severall reasons:
1 - If you have the money and the space you can do any kind of party you like because nobody care's of what is going to happened inside it
2 - In portugal we have a special kind of culture that you perfectly mencioned with the mr Augusto analogy. I call it the friend's party - Friends party is that party organized by X who has Y as a friend and both are DJS and wish t play as hell. X puts the money and Y invites ABCD… to take care of some áreas such as Bar, Tickets… among others. The final result we all know…
3 – we dont have a public that cares or really cares with what the nacional artists relly have to offer, what they care is if a lot of people is going to a particular event and if the internacional acts are good – the real promoter’s also are lacking a lot in this point also.
4 – To do a party here you dont have much to care with the formalities (in comparison with London) because we are much more liberal (or irresponsable) with them
To sum this all up the only thing i didnt understood was why you compared a rulless country such as Portugal with a “perfect” society such as the english one because if we where like them none f this was being commented
Portuguese people althow have seen the best of what psy trance has to offer still dont care with what Portugal is producing and if we could change this i think that the future would bring us more organized events with a quality padron that only the best party’s have to offer althow in a lesser number but we have still to think if that wouldnt bring the merchants (people who see our events as Money) and thus the degradation of a not so decadent scene…
PS: I know myself and this is a comment that still has much to say so please let’s keep comenting
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etnarama
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Posted : Jan 17, 2006 12:40
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Ren you did understand roughly why i started this topic, to create a discussion about the future of music (psy) in Portugal.
But you failed in one thing, my choice of flag..... (lets not talk about my patriotism, by the way I'm from Mouraria in Lisbon) I am sorry if i sound pretentious or arrogant.
Well, i was asked many times if i feel English or if i would like to change my passport, and my answer was always.... inside me there's a Portuguese.... My way of thinking and my culture is Portuguese, even if i spent most of my youth here..... arrived here with 19 years and stayed (been to Portugal only twice, prefer to travel, my family visits me here, and last time i was there was for Yanomany festival, don't know if that's the correct spelling)..... another thing about me that you should now, i'm doing a Masters in International Hospitality Management and some of my subjects are events management (music events), and music management (artists, labels etc...) that is why i started this topic, because i felt that i wanted to discuss with some people from Portugal. I left Portugal after the boom of 2000 (in that boom i felt i didn't want to stay, i saw the shit that had became the party's [mitras wise, even if i now loads of them])
Please don't say that the English are more evolved because they are not, that is just the subconcient Portuguese culture saying that what comes from abroad is better..... most of the electronic heads here are not even English, moreover the parties organised here more than half are organised by non=English. I used London as a reference due to them not having that many labels and stuff appearing here, also most of their parties are organised in London and surrounding areas (bristol, brighton), its not like us, and very rare outdoor parties..... and bad...
After being to parties, from Brasil to Switzerland, Germany, Italy, morocco and so on i must say we in Portugal have parties like nobody else.... In South America you see parties of the more commercial types and the crowds are different from ours, in Germany its cold but still good outdoors, in Spain they are waking up to the sound of psy and we (tugas) are rocking since 1997, in Israel its totally commercial and Japan don't know...
You are absolutely right about the people not caring about who plays, and not even appreciating a Portuguese producer and DJ (we have some top notch producers at the moment, some are still in the oven but, anyways), they go to the parties for the "white powders and pills"
There's more laws surrounding the staging of a party there in Portugal than here in England, in one year they have probably 5 outdoor parties of course the police are more efficient here (they have fucking BMW's and latest technology, their breath analysis and alcohol include test of drugs, yes mate!!!!), keep in mind I'm talking about legal parties.
We must maybe have less greedy orgs and labels that appear just to have a cut of the money, not realising that there's so many things behind like marketing, support to artists and so on, that they lack, i found this website the other day take a look as well its full of info, don't know if it comes in English or only in Portuguese....
http://www.zuvuya.net/raveon/mat_futureofmusic.asp
I would love to hear the opinion of some of our patriots like diogo (quantum leap/quark agency)
and P-mac (kadgilia rec).. and some others as well
thank you
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sy000321
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Posted : Jan 17, 2006 13:27
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I think you have a lot of unsupported facts, and you're just putting down our trance scene without knowing it
i know a lot of people who were in boom 2000 and they sure arent "mitras", seeing you're from mouraria, maybe my friends saw you and took you for a mitra...
There are great producers here in Portugal, some are bad or just to new but some are very very good.
3 hours isn't enough to learn our actual scene. There are at least 3 psychedlic portuguese foruns and many labels and promoters. 2 Big festivals (freedom and boom) and a lot more.
I also dont undestand why you question ze augusto making music with his friends and threwing partyes. IT's called collaboration and most musicians do it... check it for yourself in "YOUR" scene.. OTT and Halucionogen, OOOD and whatever, everyone does it, it's a way to learn and support the scene. some of the partyes with onlyp portuguese acts are free too or very cheap.
i really think you did a bad choice about your flag here in isra, but your true when you sai there's a tuga inside of you: you complain without giving facts to support your arguments and you're so confident that anywhere outside portugal is better than you know wnat people to believe you're not from portugal, but still you call yourself a patriot.
Being a patriot is more than loving your country. The land means nothing. You have to love the people! The people here are portugal.
i dont call myself a patriot a i use the portuguese flag, see?
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Biotouch (dj Loko)
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Posted : Jan 17, 2006 13:27
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hum interesting topic
im going to try to explain my very own and inside opinion of the cenne..
1 - as you said portugal is a special place.. but in fact special places dont last for long if you destroy it every friday and sathurday nigth...
2 - why so many labels? dj? artists?
because many people feel lonely... and in fact they are very lonely and out of society... They see this events as a way to get well know... big.. appear.. be someone.. (most of them take loads of drugs).. and this helps alot to think in that way...
3 - this is just a piece of the cake.. there are many other reasons.. money...
4 - this kind of things are fucking the cenne..
the labels.. if they dont put big names on the V.A's they wont last for long...
the promoters are in general drug dealers, limited minds that just see this s a way to play on a party, put hes friends working on the party..playing.. nothing professional... all done like things come from heaven you know... IN GENERAL... of course there are some few very good producers that concern about marketing... image... and sell their product very well...
Dj's every kid plays with traktor, get mp3 from the web... but its changing.. SPA is getting on club events, for what i know they allready catch some "dj's".. so maybe the cenne is getting for a more professional way.. in clubs..... outdoor events i didnt ear nothing yet...
producers.. yes that sr.augusto and the friends is our cenne and the cenne all around the world... the name mrs augusto change to aquatica vs bizarre contact and so on... everibody learns producing with friends or another producers.. dont horry man.. bad producers dont last for long.. they give up...
i would have many more to write here but lets see more opinions...
i study arts management and show's production (theathre to music festival's events...)
i work and had allredy worked on festivals as a culture org.. with activities... massagens... kids area..
i play for allmost 4 years as a dj..
one more time good topic.. i dont think it will solve anything.. but its good if people just think about it..
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sy000321
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Posted : Jan 17, 2006 13:45
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On 2006-01-17 13:27, tenuous_loko wrote:
1 - as you said portugal is a special place.. but in fact special places dont last for long if you destroy it every friday and sathurday nigth...
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I agree... thinks cant remain special for very long... get to much attention destoys being special, maybe
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On 2006-01-17 13:27, tenuous_loko wrote:
2 - why so many labels? dj? artists?
because many people feel lonely... and in fact they are very lonely and out of society... They see this events as a way to get well know... big.. appear.. be someone.. (most of them take loads of drugs).. and this helps alot to think in that way...
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lolololo... yeah... every dj/artist/label/forum poster owner is a junkye... lolol
untrue!
the scene here is/was big! Psytrance is a scene known for encouraging participation. It's not just about going to see a "international DJ". IT's not the Tiesto thing with trance. As sayd before anyone can play CDs/records as good as tiesto, he only presses play.
So... every psy fan that takes the time to learn who to do it well can become a DJ/artist/label manager/promoter/decorator, etc...
Most of the people i know from partyes are extremly educated people, with higher learning or otherwise but interested ones, off course if they put they work in motion, they can acomplish great things.
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On 2006-01-17 13:27, tenuous_loko wrote:
3 - this is just a piece of the cake.. there are many other reasons.. money...
4 - this kind of things are fucking the cenne..
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true, when you're in it for the money you're exploring the scene.
I know portuguse producers who keep the slogan of keeping their day job! That's the only way of not caring if their tracks sell or not. they do want htey thing is right and sounds good, take their time to learn, not care anout being the next gms, astrix or skazy, whatever.
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On 2006-01-17 13:27, tenuous_loko wrote:
everibody learns producing with friends or another producers..
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i see no problem with that, oif they are learning...
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On 2006-01-17 13:27, tenuous_loko wrote:
i study arts management and show's production (theathre to music festival's events...)
i work and had allredy worked on festivals as a culture org.. with activities... massagens... kids area..
i play for allmost 4 years as a dj..
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ans you write cenne instead of scene? 
joao
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etnarama
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Posted : Jan 17, 2006 14:29
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Loko thankx for your feedback, i think you got me....
Is SPA coming to clubs?? eheheh For non Portuguese readers SPA is our Authors Society.....
Are people thinking I'm despising the Portuguese scene??? no i'm not, and i belong to it, I'm a portuguezeer trancer, again i say i'm sorry if i may sound arrogant or pretentious.
joao im not even answering you, you are not understanding nothing, this isn't a battle, this is a discussion of mature people, and thats it, thank you for your feedback!!! You are exactly the type of person i was hoping not to answer here...... And by the way im a mitra with dreadlocks ehehehhe
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What an intersting topic...
Well
1) I think it is good to have more promoteurs but good promoteurs, promoteurs who cares with peolple and the scenne and not only with the money.
2) Those great promoteurs who everyone knows, are not so big as lots of people thinks, there are alot of things in the background that you guys dont know.
3) Artists theme well there are alot artists in portugal but alot of crap too. If you got any sequencer ( logic, cubase, fruity, reason ) and if you do some crap music you are producer.
Mp3 djs in 10 there are 1 in the maximum 2 whos got original, thats very sad.
4) SPA well mr loko them yo should have carefull too because you have some recorded cds if one catch you what will you say ???? that is unr or a friend recorded to you LOL.
5) The psytrance in portugal has his days counted if this continuos every fuc***** weekend shitty parties.
6) At the time what do you need to promote an event here ?? Mainflorr well simple 2 internacional artists 5 portuguese producers with carp music and 10 mp3 djs simple isnt it ???
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i think not only the kids dl mp3 loko
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etnarama
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Posted : Jan 17, 2006 21:58
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For sure they can think in money but they first must give all the conditions required and a good line up not 2 well know artits and the rest crap.
Parties are not sound system, decor, flyers, and 2 well know artists.
they dont have the right to abuse on the entrance to see 2 3 artists and crap.
and loko this is not personal fight i just gave my opinion and said what i think you dont have the right to talk when you say the scenne should get more professional getting everything has should be than star your self and think before you write.
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Posted : Jan 18, 2006 02:11
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in my opinion the main problem is the inumerous
party´s happening, and this lead´s to crapy promoter´s and organizacion´s, who doesn´t understand that a psy trance party should be a celebration and no a fucking business, and this
shity organizacions lead´s to crappy line up´s, with all ready writen 1 or 2 known live act and the rest ...well we all know.....
we all should choose the true parties, and not thoose "psedo parties"...
my last partiy had a killer line up(4 m) element´s Digital talk , space tribe and electric universe(maybe 1 or 2 major djs to complete it emok was the choice) and i was hopping that it would bee one of thoose mega party´s....it was great but mega it didn´t had it... DEFENETLY NEEDED MORE CROWD..... for the size of the event
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