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alienfreaksho:)
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Posted : Nov 20, 2003 00:00
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heres just part of my theory:
i think part of it is traveling..the us doesnt gear its people toward seeing and exploring the planet..especially now...its kind of a we rule why go anywhere else thing...and trance is a worldwide culture/movement...this is how it thrives its not stagnant...and in coutnries where travelers are many so is trance like brazil india europe(yes i know its not a country heheh) ozland etc..
and here in san francisco our scene i believe has thrived because we have had so many travlers coming and going thru the years..kind of generates energy and spreads the word...and creates the drive to go see the world...
dance all over the planet!!!!!! 
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Maska
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Posted : Nov 20, 2003 01:38
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But why do people travel??
The need to discover more about their interest, their heritage, become one with other cultures, or to tap into themselves outside of what they've been taught their whole life by their countries traditions, etc.
To become completely open and honest with ones self and to appreciate what this great earth has to offer. That's spirituality.
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GhregOnEarth
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Posted : Nov 20, 2003 02:46
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Travelling outside of one's native culture is pretty important. It allows one, if they are open to it, to have a bird's eye perspective on just how pervasive one's own cultural programming is.
The more we unhook the circuitry of cultural programming the more we step in the direction of true freedom, I feel. Not that we ever truly leave culture behind (or maybe we do), but we are able to bring it all into a more holistic context. We are able mend and bend our culturally inherited reality tunnel towards our own will and towards greater individuation.
It feels that this is an embedded truth that ties together the participants engaging in the global trance dance experience.
I feel pretty blessed to be living in the bay area at the moment. There are so many different peoples, cultures, reality tunnels, and microcosms of novelty. It is not surprising that it is one of the real hotbed for this experience in North America.
AT its best The global trance community has a sense of inclusiveness and family I've not found in any other counter culture movement. I feel this is, perhaps overlooked at times....but, it should be nurtured....the world (particularly the US) could probably use a good backlash of ExtacticTribalLoveTripReset. |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Nov 20, 2003 13:15
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On 2003-11-20 02:46, GhregOnEarth wrote:
We are able mend and bend our culturally inherited reality tunnel towards our own will and towards greater individuation.
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Well said, Ghreg.
Inu - I didn't say that Goa should not be marketed. I said that it isn't marketable, either for the mainstream or the so-called 'alternative' media. We are way under the radar, which means nobody cares what kind of message the music carries, and what kind of samples the artists use. We're free, (relatively) non-commercial, (mostly) untainted! Some people would consider it a blessing.
On the other hand, it makes it very difficult to expose people to the music in a country as big as ours. Remember, the European countries are each about the size of US states, only more populated. And in Brazil the scene seems to be concentrated in the southern region. It would be easier to spread trance in a smaller country, with manageable driving distances, but I am not saying that's all it takes. Take a look at some countries in Europe, for example Spain, where there is no psy scene. Portugal, on the other hand, is exploding. 
I am not offering solutions here... I don't think we're doing anything wrong. Slowly, the garden will grow. We should try to keep it pure and organic.  |
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malachi
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Posted : Nov 20, 2003 16:52
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All I have to say is that while I was
talking to Heike from Magnetrixx, she
said they always love to come to
the States because the trance scene
is so much more underground then
in most places. I have to agree,
because it really is just a few who
are really into psytrance in this country.
There is still a very tribal underground
feel to the scene. Maybe not so much
in bigger cities, but in places like Asheville
and Oregon, Pittsburgh, and beginning
in Cleveland, there really is a great vibe!
Luke/Dj Malachi
http://people.tribe.net/goahead
Cleveland, Ohio U.S.A |
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Maska
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Posted : Nov 20, 2003 18:06
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Dimitry and Ghreg - Well said. As long as we let it grow naturally, it will thrive. We have something special here and we must nurture it.
Malachi - A lot of artists feel that way. Jan from Xdream and Fred Neuromotor told me the same thing. |
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ZeRo
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Posted : Nov 21, 2003 20:08
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well said everyone.
even in ny the psy scene is still very family like and intimate and truly conducive to the trance dance experience or whatever meaning the psychedelic mvmt has for you.
Only under proper conditions will a plant stay healthy and fresh. Too much water or sunlight or nutrients will make it grow badly and too quickly.
quality OVER quantity
ONe can see the mainstream rave scene get dominated by massives and destroyed by the ugly things that authorities do in this country. Lets hope it doesnt happen to our trance scene. . .
ein chadash tachat hashemesh. there is nothing new under the sun. --kohelet. |
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spliffnik
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Posted : Nov 24, 2003 10:36
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Hey everyone- once again I want to add my Japanese perspective. After just getting back from one of the most mind blowing events ever here, it really made me see some things in a new light.
Like I said, I just got back from this event, so I am still trying to figure out exactly how to put it all together. But with so many thoughts still fresh in my head, I had to write something.
So this party was the diemetrical opposite of an underground psy party, to the absolute max.
TIP.world and Solstice with DJs Lucas, Ari Linker, with live sets from Raja Ram and Alien Project. This is what many would call a 'fluffy' party. I went because I was guestlisted (Man I would never pay 50 bucks and wait two hours in line to get into that place) and said hell, why not, it was kind of a joke to me anyway. Yes I am in love with the trance scene for its spiritualty, but I am not going to stop myself from having fun! And I would say it was a blast indeed. I have never heard trance play thru such mindblowing speakers, it rumbled in a way I have never heard and felt before. It was in one of the nicest clubs in Tokyo, and there had to have been 5000 people AT LEAST. And Alien Project and Raja Ram were so mind blowing- they were orchestrating pure mayhem out there. It was a mob scene, everything was out of control. From the beggining of the night to the end it was as full on as it could get- every track with the most amazing buildup just working this enormous crowd into a frenzy. And there were a bunch of friends there, and yes, I had a fucking blast! Definitely did not resemble what I have been trying to do, but I gotta say, you cannot do what they do unless you are on their level. This was the highest possible level in the world for a trance party to take place. The production, decorations, music, the energy, everything was so professional and astounding. I am still trying to figure out what the hell hit me.
Anyway- it was a good experience because it made me see that trance has diverged on two completely different paths- one, the TIP.World parties with thousands of people all going NUTS, and two, the smaller, spiritual gatherings not about making money. One thing I noticed is that at the TIP event (I dont think I can even call that a party) is that it was a mob scene, people jumping up and down, screaming, and not in the king of deep trance that Gil would put you into after hours and hours and hours of insanity:). And as much as I truly love falling into a complete state of trance and letting my consciousness drift off while the music controls my body, I have to say I had an absolute fucking blast out there. The energy was awesome, those guys REALLY know how to work up a crowd.
But then again, I dont know if I should even be comparing the two, for they are completely different to me. What I went to last night was a rock concert more than a psychedelic gathering. It was a money maker, I am sure there were lots of mafia doing whatever shady behind the scenes shit I dont even want to know about. It was SOO different from the underground parties you find in the mountains near SF. (to asay the least:)
So when people say we should nurture the trance scene and make sure that doesnt happen, that is to me a bit unrealistic. When these organizations come, they are on such a higher level in terms of promotions that it can never be stopped. It is a world where competition is rife, and when it comes to competition in the trance world (which I stress is not what I think it should be like, obviously) no one will come close to these guys. None of this is in our control, as much as we like to think it is. There are fish in the sea that are unbelievably bigger than us. But I do not disagree with the statement completely, there is definitely something to nurture and try to keep pure. I just think that these two worlds are not the same, so do not be bummed when these types of events come to your town, even every weekend. That is a different world, and undeniably it will influence the smaller underground scene but this is inevitable as long as people are willing to pay the big bucks to see that kind of event. Before I was so worried about the purity of the trance dance experience and hoping it would never get commercialized. But now I have seen it get commecialized, and what can I do, I will continue to do things my way, but I am not gong to try to stop those kinds of events from happening. And for its pure entertainment value, it was fabulous. No trance party can compete with that. To put on that kind of performance takes incredibe amounts of money and experience, without the state of the art sound systems and a comfortable place that is not just a box, with the top acts an event on that scale is not possible. I was speaking to DJ Lucas (who opened that night), who is one of the top DJs in England, and he said he has never played on this level before. It blew me away to hear someone of his calibur say that. Those guys are living in a different world. The place was a circus!
Well sorry I have written so much, the experience I had last night was just too much for me not to write. I have never been to anything like what I went to last nite. And to tell you the truth, it was really fun. Yes its not my idealistic scene, but it doenst piss me off anymore when I think about these types of events, for they are something totally different from the Goa parties we talk of in this thread. Those people can do their thing, and we will do ours. I decided I will not get so pissed anynore, I might even go again (as long as I am not paying 50 bucks, that is, hehehe) But last night was a good experience in helping me see that these two types of parties (the circus type vs the underground goa) are completely different, and will continue evolving on different paths. It will be interesting to see how different the two will continue to become in the coming years.
My lesson I learned last night? I think is that more than ever I will push for spreading the pure Goa vibe, but with less bitterness toward the large parties. It is not the same thing as what Im trying to do, and I can accept the fact that it happens and that it can even be a great party in its own right.
Signing off for now, love to hear your opinions, -Spliffnik |
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green nun
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Posted : Nov 24, 2003 21:42
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Wow Spliff your experience sounds pretty surreal. I think most of us would be curious to see something on that level (if we haven't already). I think you are right about the fact that these are two totally different paths that trance has taken and yes it will be interesting to see what the future holds.
However, remember the postings in the Japanese forum?http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/23039/forum/16
and http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/22813/forum/16
It's an interesting discussion that took place with a Vision Quest member. She told us that the mafia involvement was normal and found all over the world (if not for them then who would pay for things?) and that she feels that no one loves the scene or has done more for the scene than she has...hmmm and then you read about someone who went to the Sub6 party in Japan and someone tripped over his foot and threatened to kill him which freaked him out and made him leave the party. Other people talked about being scared because they thought they'd get their ass kicked by some of the "tough guys" in attendance...hmmm
I don't know about that... I don't think I harbor bitterness for these events but maybe concern that at one of these events people will get their ass kicked or even worse - and then what? As I've said before..most people you speak with feel that Trance has changed their lives - so do the organizers have a responsibility here to make sure that everyone (whether it’s your first party or hundredth party) have a safe and positive experience? Or is their responsibility just to provide the cool lights, music, decorations and make as much money as possible and not even worry about who attends or if the people who truly love trance will be able to enjoy and experience the music?
The Hux Flux party in LA was crazy with people going off all night, jumping and screaming, but at the end of the night what made it truly successful is that it was one person’s first party and thanks to the crowd, the artists and the organizers that won’t be her last party.
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Inu
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Posted : Nov 25, 2003 02:58
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Spliffnik, I think you're right. Events like that are about pure fun; for sure they can coexist with the small parties. The more "circus like" their atmosphere, the greater the need for smaller, more intimate, spiritual -- even though that's a loaded word -- gatherings. Indie film versus summer blockbuster.
I do favor the side with good vibes and creative freedom, and when the time comes I'll take my lil 3K sound system out again.  But at the moment, anything pushing Psy music into the mainstream is very very welcome...
tiger got to hunt,
bird got to fly,
man got to sit and wonder why, why, why?
tiger got to sleep,
bird got to land,
man got to tell himself he understand. |
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ScarletFire
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 03:02
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Allright guys I have a few things to say. Firstly allot of these spiritual people dont even know trance exists, they have a diffrent scene and i know some of you dont like it but its the truth. These people love the jam band scene. Deadheads man!! This is where it all came from wether you guys like it or not the Grateful dead are truely the roots of the hippie - asid movement. I dont know if you guys know but these rainbow gatherings festivals parties whatever The Dead started all that back in 65 and 66. They used to have asid tests man when the shit was still legal! They would get a group of 2-300 ppl and everyone would take the same dose at the same time. This is how psychedlic music and culture began. It has simply progressed from that to what it is now. I met a much older american guy in goa that was telling me hes been living in goa for 30 years and they used to have parties with people listening to the dead!!! Now i understand some of the jamband scene sucks but if you guys would take some time and go see the dead you would meet these spiritual people we are talking about. The vibe I get when I go see the dead, and that energy I get at a party when everything is right and everyone is on the same page its identicle. I dont like how commercial the jamband scene is but if you guys would go to a see for yourselves and talk to these people I garuntee you will find the loving and spiritual beings you speak of. Of course there will also be people that suck, but there are allways people that suck! I hadnt even heard of Psy Trance untill about a year and a half ago when I decided to travel to india and ended up in a place called goa on the 20th of december completley random i swear to god but I was a very spiritual person long before that. My music was just a band instead of djs and whatnot. But these 2 scenes express the same thing in essence which in a nutshell is peace, love, unity, the love of life and everything around you. There are very good electronic jam bands out there The Disco Biscuits for example have somehow briged the concepts of Trance and Band together. Give it a listen people go check it out, dont just write it off. Particle is another band doing incrdible things. People go to these shows to dance and be around good people just like a trance party. I know very spiritual people In the jamband scene that dont understand what trance is all about. When I say trance they think ravers and pills they really dont get it. When i tell them im going to a trance party they laugh and call me a raver. But thats only because they never gave it a chance, if they did im sure they would love it. I feel its the same way when tracers write off the jam scene there are very posotive aspects there as well. Dont be like my friends that label trance before expiriencing it. You guys are supose to be the open minded ones!!
"Insperation Move me brightly
light the song with sense and color
hold away despair
More than this I will not ask
faced with mysteries dark and vast
statements just seem vain at last
some rise, some fall, some climb
To get to Terrapin"
-Robert Hunter
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mica
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 03:59
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future species---Globalsapiens |
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spliffnik
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 05:22
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Hey ScarletFire- not everybody here is against the jam band scene dood! And most of us obviously know (hopefully) that trance was not the origin of the hippie movement. I want to say No Shit! but I know you werent saying it like that. I just think trance is a bit more evolved, it has refined the message and has used technology and built upon the knowledge of prior music to communicate the message trough other mediums, while the jam scene in my opinion has regressed and has become a marketable commodity.
But yes, I like some jam bands too! I was thinking of particle right when I started reading your paragraph! They are a great band, capable of putting pople into trances, and they have great energy. Thats why they like to play late nights and often for many hours. There are also many great bands that I dig as well. Although I love trance more than anything, I do like to mix it up, to feel the energy of other genres of music, and to see it from a different perspective. Its interesting that most trance artists were into other types of music before, like metal, house, even hip hop! For me it keeps the trance scene fresh and if anything I appreciate it a lot more.
Not to talk shit, but I think the jam band scene has passed its prime. The message is still there (sometimes), but many elements of the scene just kind of suck. It is definitely commercialized, and I think when things become commercialized, they lose its essense and become past their prime.
Like all types of music, trance too will become past its prime someday. Man I can only imagine the reaction all you guys have when reading this,:) but it is true. You all should know (especially Burners) that nothing is permanent. Trance will someday get commercialized (it already is in Japan, where things tend to happen ahead of the rest of the world- fuck you shoud see the cell phones coming out here), and when it does, it too will become another 'been there, done that' thing.
However, what will never be lost is its message. Even when (commercial) trance becomes a thing of the past, there will still be smaller tarnce parties for the dedicated, spiritual beings. There will just be no more massive parties like the TIP world events I wrote about earlier. Those parties are so superficial, it is only about going crazy, and carries no deeper message. So, after a while, people will grow out of it, and find other means of going crazy. It will happen first in Japan- it is being marketed so much already that eventually it will peak and people will say 'been there done that'. But this type of event, like I said before, is completely different from the gatherings that are spiritual in nature. While the big parties will soon die out (because these people are only making it a fad), the smaller parties that carry a special meaning to its participants will live. So do not worry about the big parties threatening the smaller ones, this I expect will only last 5 more years at the most. The smaller parties will be around much longer. And the message, will be around forever. Nothing solid will last forever- only the ideas and concepts behind it.
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ScarletFire
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 05:29
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Cant argue with any of that Spliffnik you have spoken wisely... |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Nov 27, 2003 12:58
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Can't really miss the jam band scene, it huge! I live in Boulder, and this whole town is like a huge jam band fest. Panic this, String Cheese that... I'd rather hang out with noodle ravers, I swear, than those rich white kids taking a vacation in stoner land, listening to Phish. Not to say that it's bad music, by any means.
It wouldn't be so bad to have a festival where jam bands play during the day, and it's all Psytrance during the night and morning. btw - Youth (Dragonfly Records founder, Celtic Cross, etc) produced the latest String Cheese Incident album. so that crazy idea might not be so unrealistic, after all.
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