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Posted : Jun 30, 2002 19:54
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Words of wisdom from fizz here 
  Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!! |
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thalaron
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Posted : Jun 30, 2002 21:12
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welll kaz...
exellent article i must say, realy enjoyed it and i will have to agree with u on about everything u said and i think that the strongest idea that needs to pass from what u wrote is that psychedelic drugs especally powerfull ones like lsd and mescaline can be taken in a much deeper way and to a (to my opinion) better place.
thinking u'r way through the trip and listening to u'r emotions is the way...
but one thing that i think u have forgot to mention is what fizz started talking about and that is that everything and i am mean everything (well exept those realy big hallucinations) can be obtained without using nothing . whether it is by meditation, through physical exehursion or any of a lot of diffrent ways for diffrent ppl to explore that side of their consioucness.
and from my experiences if u try to reach those places by your self before using psychedelice drugs u will be able to get a better control like what u talked about kaz ("spirtual dicipline") and ofcourse to travel much further...
well that is just what i had to say bout this 
sorry for making it so long ) |
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LostBrainCell
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Posted : Jul 1, 2002 12:12
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I would like to mention in this context, two famous texts about this issue:
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The Doors of Perception by Aldous Huxley:
http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/lsd/doors.htm
You can find it on the web. This is a hard text. The level of the language usage is high. You should use a dictionary while reading. It is the most famous (and the best) text in the history of psychedelics.
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Cleansing the Doors of Perception: The Religious Significance of Entheogenic Plants and Chemicals
by Huston Smith
Much more readable text (Huston Smith wrote it). This is a book so you should look it up in the library. I know for sure that you can find it in the library of Tel Aviv University
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off topic question:
does somebody here have some insights abou salvia? this, (legal in Europe), herb is the srangest thing.
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tigga
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Posted : Jul 1, 2002 13:55
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One book that people should be aware of is BE HERE NOW by Baba Ram Daas - who was known as Richard Alpert and worked extensively with Timothy Leary. He has written other books, but this one is key.
Baba Ram Daas explains briefly how he and Tim took more and more acid until it got to the point whereby they locked themselves inside a house and took 400mg of acid every 4 hours for 4 days (the exact quantities are not spot on but be assured, it was a lot of acid for a long time and regularly) and eventually he realised, and i think we should all learn from this, that lsd connects you to another place, an insightful place, an interesting place, however you wish to see it, but while the lsd takes you on a journey to that place, it only does so temporarily and you will always lose the 'high'.
All of the experiences you have on lsd are attainable without substances and the spiritual high that we all experience on a good trip is something that is unsustainable with drugs. Sustainablity is key to any future, environmentally, economically, socially, spiritually. It is something that we should all attain.
Drugs are not the way to achieve this long term, but there are in themselves a very useful tool to open your mind and show what is possible....you just have to realise that you can achieve the highs of drugs without using them, when you are using them!
Wouldn't it be amazing to have a party full of people, all high, without drugs, all loving each other and feeling that unity within a crystal clear clarity? |
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tom anteater
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Posted : Jul 1, 2002 15:24
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ahh.. no suprise that tigga has the insight there
slightly worried about the all loving each other image though 
[ This Message was edited by: tom anteater on 2002-07-01 15:24 ] >>love will tear us apart...<< |
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Kaz
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Posted : Jul 1, 2002 15:33
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The Doors of Perception is definately an important (and considered the best) book on this subject. I haven't read all of it, but I will once I finish with these fucking exams
Anyways, I just wanted to show the possible correlation in the ways of thought introduced from psychedelic drugs and psychedelic trance, let's keep this informative and RELEVANT TO A TRANCE BOARD.
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tom anteater
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Posted : Jul 1, 2002 15:40
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if i remember correctly the conclusion huxley reaches in the doors of yadda yadda is exactly that by taking psychedelics you gain the insights of eg an ascetic who has meditated and starved himself for years, but because you have not had to discipline yourself in the same way the result is not as 'valid' in some sense...
>>love will tear us apart...<< |
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Yuli
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Posted : Jul 1, 2002 16:06
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Sorry - no it's impossible to trip without LSD - you can believe in it if you want to... but hey  don't ever try to compare unless u have flash backs or something it's not possible and not even close.
BUT you can have a certain tranced up feeling which is wonderfull by itself... it will NEVER b like dropping a
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Jul 2, 2002 00:11
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too long for me 
REHAB is for quitters |
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thalaron
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Posted : Jul 2, 2002 01:43
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well yuli i am sorry but i will have to disagree with u
talking from personal experience i have waited quiete a long time befor i dropped the first drop even befor i smoked the first joint and i have waited cause i strongly believed then and i believe even stronger now that u can achieve all those things drugs free, and i have tryed reaching those same things years befor and i must tell u maybe it hadnt work too well on me if i am saying that (i will always leave an option that i may be mistaken) but nothing and i do mean nothing has surprised me with weed or lsd
in fact there is only one thing i have not been able to achieve without lsd and that is those realy huge world wide hallucination but that is only a sweet bonous and not what to me is the real experience and now after taking that i feel more in control then ever using my self drugs free (and ofcourse while using cause what ever i will say for the short timed effect it is defenatly easyer ) |
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Yuli
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Posted : Jul 2, 2002 01:58
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Well it's agreed that we disagree here...
I will try to explain myself tho it is quite pointless cuz of the fact that it is a major problem to share the inside of your head with other ppl, it's unexplainable.
Anyway... Tripping ( not partying but tripping ) opens certain ways of thought and things one can see that worth many years of meditation and focusing.. Some call it a shortcut to higher states and most ppl miss it during their karahana times b-cuz of the karahana, cuz while u r against the speaker and getting more and more full on u miss the precious gift u can get just from being one with mother nature and see / feel / smell and finally understand . If you have achieved all of these you are definitely a baba since there are a mighty few ppl that managed to get there just like THAT.. Those ppl usually meditate most of their lives and do many things that make them focused as we in the west can't be without practice ( Chi Gong does it, Yoga does it, Reiki does it - there are many techniques ) but some times for a really short period of a 'Shortcut' one can get the knowledge... Ofcourse you have to practice to keep the treasure..
This is merely a personal opinion, no one has to accept it, but I definitely believe that tripping is much far than seeing things and perspective changes... that's a minor part of it..
Bom Bom
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Apocalypse Now
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Posted : Jul 2, 2002 10:20
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Well Asaf what can I tell you man, your little essay just blew me away.This one should be sent straight to the Isratrance archives. Its like you took everything that I feel like at a trance party and put it into words in a clear and coherent way. For all you guys that are too lazy to read this, you don't know what you are missing.
And if this is not Isratrance material then I just don't know what is anymore.
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thalaron
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Posted : Jul 2, 2002 17:04
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first off yuli i read once again what i said and yeah in my enthusiasem i may wrote what i wanted to say in a not so clear way (simblolic language what can u do?) but i most certainly dont emplay that i am able to reach levels of consiousness and thoughts like on lsd experience just by mere wishing it...
what i meant was that i have experienced at times (too little times for my taste) some of the experiences i got on lsd, unfortunatly for me i cannot just wish that experince to come back but that experience came to me in those few times that i was engaging in a certain activatys , and at those rare occasions i have learned that for me (and ofcourse we can only say what we in our subjective mind can see) i was able to reach those peaks of perception i got from lsd.
ofcourse i repeat and say that for short timed experiences lsd is much easyer and in order to obtain it the hard way...
well that is why it is called the HARD way ))
anyways just wanted to try and make my point a little bit clearer.
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Posted : Jul 2, 2002 20:49
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Asaf, Simply brilliant! Your views and dissections of trance with your scientific scalpel are always good. Doors of Perception and Heaven and Hell by Huxley are both inspirations for you i see... For the Billiionth time, WRITE A BOOK ALREADY! I'm sure it will sell. Good job.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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PaL
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Posted : Jul 3, 2002 06:32
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Psychedelics can be great tools to get rid of a lot of tough problems and emotions that you can't deal with in day to day life.
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Careful (!), as they sharp fillings and emotions, they can easily pull up on the surface the most unwanted (for you reality )
filings, instead if getting rid of them. 
By the way, I've tried some alternative systems for trance expeerience - it is much harder for sure then buying a stamp, but possible and quiet close in result...
[ This Message was edited by: PaL on 2002-07-03 06:35 ] Welcome to the world of creative listenning ! |
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