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Spindrift
Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 12, 2004 14:54
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On 2004-09-12 13:43, NoKeyAah wrote:
Hype is good only if it makes sales....ask the distributors how the sales are doing. if they are rising no ones gonna complain.unfortunately they are on a downturn. it is a problem. and problems have to be dealt with such that they increase the sales not decrease. when u talk of radio its different...nobody listens to tapes anymore and also tape quality is not as good and cannot be used for making profits for the ROGUE DJ's.
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I see your point.
The point I was trying to make was that it hardly is damaging for labels or artists if their tracks are posted in the top 10 before they are released.
Sure, sales are bad, but not because of over hyping from the labels.
How many labels give you the chance to listen to complete tracks in at least 128k mp3?
Normal people either buy britney's track after they heard it on the radio a few times or go and download it somewhere.
But if people don't get to hear the track, few will download it illegaly, but even fewer buy it.
But to try to stay on topic...
Can really hype and promotion in the top10 be stopped? Seems to me thats totally against the nature of that section.
And for anyone disliking hype and promotion, it should be fairly easy to avoid looking in it.
Wasn't the main issue that it's used for trading?
The general conscensus here seem to be that unreleased tracks should be banned to avoid that?!
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Sektor666
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Posted : Sep 12, 2004 16:28
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The general conscensus here seem to be that unreleased tracks should be banned to avoid that?!
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yes , healthy commercionalizm is much better than that . |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 12, 2004 16:56
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Is it healthy to ban tracks that is not released?
To me it doesn't seem like a healthy commersialism, but rather a sick and twisted one.
Traders can't really be stopped anyway.
There is enough ways for them to communicate without using the top10.
I can appreciate that the forum owners don't like if there really is a huge amount of trading happening in there.
It would be a shame tho if DJ's can't post what they really think is the top10 atm. None of my favourite DJ's play only released stuff.
And my only interest when looking in the section is to see up and coming stuff. Releases you can read about in the promotional section as well as many other places.
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Sektor666
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Posted : Sep 12, 2004 17:39
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coin have two sides , you must know it ~!
it is the main problem of democracy , when ppl use laws in their want .....
Artist can post material he/she likes but why unreleased ? what the point to share your emotions about unreleased material that only few need to know about it ?
you ask me if the unreleased tracks posting will decrease trading , so yes , it would drasticly ..... you won't give much material to download and search for .....
you must understand major trader phenomena , it search for new and fresh material only , it don't care about music ....kinda group of geeks that feel man when that have new unreleased material ..... so less talks about unreleased , less search for it ....
i bet some labels share their music on p2p software to increase label/artists world recognition ....
think yourself ..... traders and ripping groups make more ppl know about artist and labels by illegaly(or legaly , who knows ?) way ,put it on public download , then some listener that like some artists organize a party with these artists and all we know that real money for artists coming from performance and not sales ....
sales in psy scene are low not because wrong distribution but because low listeners numbers ....
for example Progressive House scene deal with this problem pretty well , they do release most of material on Vinyl when only Dj's and real listeners buy it .....
also see statisticly vinyls much less common on p2p than CD's .... maybe because it is harder to rip vinyl and buy it .....
rippers and traders make this scene much bigger ... they are the ones who make this scene so big now ...and they continue ,,,, someday label sales will grow....
i agree that thru pink glasses , look on this world .... ppl need to post what they realy think they like but in the end this world isn't pink but pig ......
we not fighting against global trading which is useless , we fight against trading on this forum .... |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 12, 2004 18:46
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Surely the final solution to the problem would be to get rid of the iims system and email buttons.
That would definatly stop the traders to use this site to connect.
Or is that going to far? |
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Sektor666
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Posted : Sep 12, 2004 20:28
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nice sense of humor , even the fact i'm jewish and you very close to german nature but ......
i won't answer you coz i hope it was a joke ... |
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alan
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Posted : Sep 12, 2004 21:46
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Since trance was around it was allways acceptable to share music. Its no different today and to listen to all the released (or unreleased trax) you would have to be very rich. That the industry has not found a way to sell online music is not the fault of the people who listen to it.
Top ten is a perfect way for people to communicate to others the music they like. That people have a problem with that is confusing! That a moderator has a problem with it is beyond belief. But i think that moderator stays at the nearest hotel when he goes to parties..... nuff said
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Fuzulu
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Posted : Sep 13, 2004 12:07
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KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Sep 13, 2004 12:24
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The worst thing in the top10 consists in the lie and hypocrisy... regarding unreleased stuff..
"How did I get this track ?"
"Ehmm I woke up this morning, and found it under my cushion..." 
PS : Dark Shiva, three big smilies aren't enough to make you post funny.. 
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"Get your dose of BoOgie !"
http://www.bunkum-records.com
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Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 13, 2004 13:41
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On 2004-09-12 20:28, Sektor666 wrote:
nice sense of humor , even the fact i'm jewish and you very close to german nature but ......
i won't answer you coz i hope it was a joke ...
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Agreed that my choice of words was maybe a bit german in nature, but it was not meant as a joke.
I was being ironic with my suggestion, yes, and I do think that from a political reference if would be more to the faschistic side of the scale to forbid people to mention unreleased tracks in the interest of the record industry.
Ok, getting further 
But a little reminder about what fascism actually is.
Faschisms main point was strong government control to make people work hard for the big cooperations. Remember the no 1 motto: "arbeit macht frei"?
And Benito Mussolini explained the essence quite well:
"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of State and corporate power."
And with this I'm not tring to compare on any scale whats going on in the top10 forum to major historical events 60 years ago.
But the ideology behind my posts is more anarcistic in nature than faschistic I can assure you.
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Sektor666
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Posted : Sep 13, 2004 14:24
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Spindrift ....... you sick .... very sick ....
not every structure is democratic in our life even in most democratic country like Sweden ... you have rights and laws that you must obey .....
The Forum Right ............
freedom of speech ..... and yes you have right to say whatever you like if it's not abyssive , trader or warez ..........
The Laws
you can list unreleased tracks but it will increase traders wants ..... and traders are illegal on this forum .... so you actualy increase illegal activity on this forum ......so it's can be threat illegal too
so actualy now you use democracy in your own way .... that's what i have talked about ... |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Sep 13, 2004 14:52
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I'm not sure what you find sick about my statement.
True, not every structure is democratic, and currently we are more close to a faschist system if you ask me, in sweden as well as the rest of the world.
You think we live in a balanced democratic society at the moment?
Like I said, I understand that the people running this site don't want it to be a trader central.
I just think forbidding unreleased tracks to be mentioned is going a bit far.
Sorry if that seems sick and undemocratic to you.
The law does not in anyway stipulate that you cannot discuss unreleased music or warez.
To distribute them is another thing. |
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Sektor666
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Posted : Sep 13, 2004 18:25
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Spindrift ...this is not Faschistic system ... it is Democracy with laws ......
other thing .... i never meant to call you faschist , it was just humoristic reaction to your so called green-peace protest against my words
and i do think that it is the balanced society .... in some countries ..... but what you call democracy sounds more anarchy to me(you know yourself that you anarchist) .....
You right about unreleased tracks posting from your point of view .... so that's why it's democracy ,,,,, we all say our options freely ...
i think unreleased tracks bla bla bla
and you think else ... me not the master of this forum and even not Kanzler ...i just say my opinion based on facts like you ....... |
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Stash
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Posted : Sep 16, 2004 21:43
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this has gone from the top ten discussion to
Spindrift Vs Sektor666 dogfight 
At the end there is a DOOR & waiting for you on the other side of that door is either HEAVEN or HELL |
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