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Top Tens

DvP

Started Topics :  4
Posts :  84
Posted : Sep 9, 2004 20:00
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On 2004-09-09 13:01, tenuous_loko wrote:
thank god shivas... most of us are simply tired of the kids that give their lifes for the new fucking super killer non net track rmx...all of this in mp3 format.. just to say i have it and i dont give you because im so good.. grow up... released things with kuality are way lot better..




AHAHAH I just love this newbie DJ Loko and his incredible sense of humor... wassup freak? Finally understood that mirc is not the best place to get tracks?
I just looooove the ironic touch in your post. Great one really. You made my day with this one.
Spindrift
Spindrift

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Posted : Sep 9, 2004 21:01
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On 2004-09-09 19:53, NoKeyAah wrote:
only realeased tracks for top 10s
any post with unrealeased should be deleted
unless its an unrealeased track created by the member who posts it. label dj's should avoid posting the unrealeased they have, simply because it would diminish the selling potential of the track/s. if the unrealeased tracks are named it just makes the job for pirates and traders easier. if you have an unrealeased track keep it yourself dont let the world know you have it. only exception to this would be if you received a promo copy of the track or album, mention the fact that you receieved it as a PROMO rather than unrealeased also dont forget to mention who gave it to you. give the unrealeased a chance to be realeased.



So you think you have to tell the label people that they can't post it because they lose sales!?!?!?

Have you heard of hype. When you hype a product, you don't start after it is released.
First hype, then release and then promotion/advertising. Maybe before you act as an marketing advisor for the labels you learn some basics about the subject.
Mainstream labels can have a single playing for months on the radio before they release it , and to just mention the name definatly don't loose you any sales.

Anyway, I could see that since this is the only forum listing so many unreleased tracks, it would rather be an inspiration for the lables to find new talents as well.
Why try to block that proccess.
Why not let the unsigned artists at least get the enjoyment of seing that someone likes thier tracks. Becuse you know that they might miss out on a couple of bucks in the future?

I think you find very few artists featured in the top 10 section will come here and complain about it anyway.

I can agree that when it seems like 'coolness' factor is the most important, rather than the contents it can get a bit boring. But hey, thats DJ's for you. Some will only play the freshest and coolest sounds, and some only the best tracks and some will play crap.
Why expect the top 10 to be any different?
clown
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  1777
Posted : Sep 9, 2004 21:33
you bring forth good points spindrift.. your on fire these days..

but the scene will never speak positivly about marketing..(until they use it to there advantage)..

maybe it should be only labels and artists that can post top tens?? that would make more sense..           "VA - REWIRED" OUT NOW !! (techtrance invasion) ---> http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/86303/forum/9
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Basilisk
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Posted : Sep 9, 2004 22:03
There's already a PROMOTIONAL section here, for, you know, promoting things such as upcoming releases. The difference being, the info is usually far more legit than a list of what some kiddies are trading with their friends these days. You think labels go into the Isratrance top tens to scout out high-quality new artists?

I'm not saying close the top tens... I'm saying their worth as anything more than a vehicle for trading tracks is perhaps overstated... and inviting some discussion on it because, wow, it sure looks like there's more traffic in top tens than there is here, like I said...
Spindrift
Spindrift

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Posted : Sep 9, 2004 22:44
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On 2004-09-09 22:03, basilisk wrote:
There's already a PROMOTIONAL section here, for, you know, promoting things such as upcoming releases.


Agreed the border can get fuzzy in the top 10 section. But forbidding lables to post unreleases because of that?
And it's promotion anyway if they are released.

Quote:

You think labels go into the Isratrance top tens to scout out high-quality new artists?



I see that some lables both post and comment on top-ten's.
If your DJ friend or fellow lable owner recommend a new and interesting unreleased artist, I'm sure some might register the name, and look out for them. I'm not saying it works like a signing service, but to exlude unreleased artists from the list seems a bit unfair to me. It's does create some hype anyway, you mentioned yourself that it's almost more visitors than in here.

I don't find the top-ten section very interesting myself, but when people start wanting censorship on what tracks that can be mentioned on the forum I get worried.
How far can a paranoia about copying music go?
Should we not even be aloud to mention a track title without having bought the CD??

Music is not only about releasing and selling.
Dont forget there is making and listening as well.

And one more general rant about unreleased vs released: (and yes clown, i have quite a bit of fire in my horrorscope, so it's not today only I'm afraid)

There always been struggling musical geniuses, who couldn't make music to sell very well, but made amazing music. Read some music history and the lives of some of the classical composers.
And there is a well know and difficult conflict between art and money. To try to be creative when you know that you won't have food on the table if the lable owner don't like your track, it's not easy.

To say we don't want unreleased tracks would be a bit like saying that the only art we should have in the museums from the 1700's should be king portraits.
Pointy


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Posts :  278
Posted : Sep 9, 2004 23:12
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On 2004-09-09 21:33, clown wrote:
maybe it should be only labels and artists that can post top tens?? that would make more sense..



Don't think so really. The DJs are an important link between the artist, the label and the listener/customer, because they bring the tracks on the dancefloor and see peoples reactions. I think it's good if they can report their experiences in form of top10s. Yes, DJs happen to have many unreleased tracks
in their assortment, but I think it's mostly promos of artists that like to get their tracks out to the people. DJs should definetly be allowed to post in the top ten section. That of course means basically everybody can post, because you can't really define the DJ status.
DETOX
Moderator

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Posts :  6194
Posted : Sep 9, 2004 23:20
Posting an unreleased track on a top ten doesnt make it easier or more difficult for traders to get their hands on it.

I mean i posted before a month some unreleased tracks on my top ten like the Wizzy Noise and Deedrah Versus Dino Psaras tunes.It doesnt matter if the traders know the names of these tunes since its almost impossible (i say almost cause shit sometimes happens like stolen cd cases and stuff like that) to get your hands on these tunes if you are not personal related with the artists.

Traders get on their hands the tunes that the artists themselfes provide them.And by that i mean that non carefull artists that spread their music all around automatically provide the traders with this music.

Thats why PROFESIONAL artists like Wizzy Noise,Deedrah,Bamboo Forest,Orion and more dont spread their music all around and not everyone has their tracks and these tunes remain unreleased till they get released.

Just notice the top ten section and you will see that all the traders have the same tracks on their top tens.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
clown
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Sep 9, 2004 23:30
Pointy, then it solves nothing to keep letting everyone post there top tens..

Basilisk said it best i think.. there is already a PROMO section to talk about upcomming tracks we like to hear.. people can use that to say KILLLLLLLEEEERRRRR tracklist or something.. at least then, you'll know for sure that the stuff will be getting released..

In the top's, i still think artists, labels, and at the limit, label dj's should be the one's posting up stuff.. because honestly, there the only one's who will have a chance to actually bring forth those sounds to a party near you, or at least give the people an idea of there arsenal..           "VA - REWIRED" OUT NOW !! (techtrance invasion) ---> http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/86303/forum/9
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Pointy


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Posts :  278
Posted : Sep 10, 2004 00:04
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On 2004-09-09 23:30, clown wrote:
In the top's, i still think artists, labels, and at the limit, label dj's should be the one's posting up stuff..



Well, if there really has to be restrictions, than I think this is a better idea, than restricting the posts to only released tracks.

I wonder a bit though if it's not really the label/-DJs, that use the top10 as a second promo section.

I agree with DETOX when he writes:

Quote:

Traders get on their hands the tunes that the artists themselfes provide them



Some of the 'fanatic trader kids' might know or have discovered a star of the future, why not let them post it here!? I think that artists who let their material get into the hands of traders usually don't mind their music being spread.

Is it not the easiest solution, that people look who posted the top10 and decide themself if they want to read them or not?
Basilisk
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 00:06
Spindrift - you're talking to the other guy, not me. I'm not advocating anything you are responding to.

Detox - you're with a label. You're connected. Maybe you don't trade tracks you put up - but others sure do. I speculate that plenty of the people posting top tens aren't DJs, label guys, artists, or connected at all (well, except to the internet! ha ha)... essentially the message is "here's what tracks I have, let's make a dope deal!"

Am I saying - "DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS!" (Someone please think of the children remix) ? no. but let's talk about it, since top tens seem to be the ugly redheaded stepchild everyone wants to pretend doesn't exist...
Spindrift
Spindrift

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Posts :  1560
Posted : Sep 10, 2004 00:16
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On 2004-09-09 22:03, basilisk wrote:
There's already a PROMOTIONAL section here, for, you know, promoting things such as upcoming releases. The difference being, the info is usually far more legit than a list of what some kiddies are trading with their friends these days. You think labels go into the Isratrance top tens to scout out high-quality new artists?

I'm not saying close the top tens... I'm saying their worth as anything more than a vehicle for trading tracks is perhaps overstated... and inviting some discussion on it because, wow, it sure looks like there's more traffic in top tens than there is here, like I said...




No according to what I can see that was actually your statement.

The other guy is that fellow inside you struggling for control over your mind

Well if you (or the other guy) don't have anything to say about my comments, then we leave at that

peace
Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
IsraTrance Junior Member

Started Topics :  48
Posts :  2027
Posted : Sep 10, 2004 00:20
some like to be cool dj's and post there unreleased trax even though no one knows them.......

some like to just share there top 10......

some like to trade there....

some just to read all of the above and say "wow sounds real killler,though i dont know any of these trax" ?!?!?!?

bassicly what im saying is....dif' people...dif' reasons for going there.....we cant categorize and we cant point fingures....the "cool" DJ's will do there thing....the people that share,will share....traders will stock up on potential "pray".....
and idiots will still say "wow all thoese trax i never heard sound real awsome"....its called sociaty and its made up of many dif' kind of indeviduals......
u can try and set rules,and try and force things to go in one "right" way.....ill be marching with pride with the nations flag and will go thru water and fire for my leader....Stalin??Mao??Hitler??......its all good....the poeple love u
cheers.
          "....or is it???"

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full_on
IsraTrance Team

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Posted : Sep 10, 2004 22:29
This was already discussed in lots of topics... This kind of discussion will never end...

Lots of show off Top 10 topics, and for what?
People send me PM: "reply on my topic..." This is ridiculous...

I stay away frm that session, unless when there's a track with a KKKKKIIIIILLLLLEEEEERRRRRR sample. Then I reply...
I hope ShivaS change it for better.
Respect!           .
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Sektor666
Inactive User

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Posts :  439
Posted : Sep 12, 2004 14:04
you know that some ppl do advertise their music as musicians , label managers , promoters and other ....

so why to talk about that ?

trust me that isratrance major crew are very smart guys that know each problem of this forum and if they see how to fix it they would.

i bet many labels here ask from some ppl to write top tens ....so what ?

TOP TEN section is always advertising section , because people do advertise music there and always will be space for self promotion .......

i think if i was label manager it was a lame and disrespect to my label to post here on top tens , i would advertise my label by music quality and worldwide parties ,,,but everyone has his own ideas about commercion....

but if you want to make top ten section more efficient

you should do such steps

1.adding script that check if the one who opens thread is the one who is in top ten more than x times

2.creating form of opening thread

Name of Artist
Name of Track
Release Date
Labek Name
Link (psyshop or saikosounds)
Discription of Track

then only released material will be posted , ease to moderators to fight against ,trading , laming , self promoting , cleaner and right names of artists or/and tracks
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