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The Untold Story

gaspard
Yab Yum

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Posted : Oct 17, 2005 16:03
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On 2005-10-16 23:50, Willy Wonka wrote:
No, i wait to start my own bedroom label so i can spam and open new threads with my releases and other spam related to my label, artists or gigs.




looking forward to this very much! let us know how you get along with no promotion.

and back to topic: when i go out i like to be taken on a journey by the djs. this, IMO , is more likely to happen when sets are 3 hours or longer. the shorter sets seem to break up the continuity of the night (unless djs are good, putting the flow of the party before their egos, and not just playing their top killarg tracks)


          Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Terry Pratchett
KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Oct 17, 2005 16:45
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On 2005-10-16 18:22, k300 wrote:
I too think that 2 hours is enough for a set...



If the deejay is good it's too short, if he's bad it's too long.. now that's relativity !           .
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"Get your dose of BoOgie !"

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headyatail2000
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 17, 2005 16:57
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On 2005-10-16 22:22, The Godfarter wrote:
dj telling story-
"Mmmph mmph mmpha doob daabak cheec cheec flikoo flaa dhup dhup dwoop deegidi dap dup
The dj too pills to stay awake and played for 7 days.phaaaat philloop tik tik tik tak tak ping ping boom boom chillum....people can fly aarr aar adeo slick slick slice slice crash bang boom another chillum...I am gonna spit some acid in your eyes and blind you
KILLAAARGH STORY




          <~< "the best things in life aren't things" - art buchwald >~>
EYB
Noized

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Posted : Oct 17, 2005 22:29
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On 2005-10-17 16:45, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
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On 2005-10-16 18:22, k300 wrote:
I too think that 2 hours is enough for a set...



If the deejay is good it's too short, if he's bad it's too long.. now that's relativity !




Very true            Signature
Acidhive
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posts :  2014
Posted : Oct 17, 2005 23:00
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On 2005-10-17 22:29, EYB wrote:
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On 2005-10-17 16:45, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
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On 2005-10-16 18:22, k300 wrote:
I too think that 2 hours is enough for a set...



If the deejay is good it's too short, if he's bad it's too long.. now that's relativity !




Very true




You mean, if the music the DJ plays is any good. DJ's are not the ones that make the music. Creating a flow in a set is done by the DJ, that's correct. But the feelings you get come mostly from the music, e.g. the artists who made it. Don't forget that.           "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."

[Esoteric: Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum]
rich
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Oct 18, 2005 01:43
How about this

If track selection is key to a story, then a reaallly good dj could play just one track and tell more with that one track than a bad dj plays in two hours.



dE.Tonatik
Detonatik

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Posted : Oct 18, 2005 06:25
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On 2005-10-18 01:43, rich wrote:
How about this

If track selection is key to a story, then a reaallly good dj could play just one track and tell more with that one track than a bad dj plays in two hours.







the author of this topic wants to know the story that a dj makes while he is at it

and not the track coz there are some very very good tracks out there which hav a story related to them ...
what matters here is the flow of set , the energy and to maintain that flow for over a period of time ..say 3 hr +++

it is an important thing if u hav to hav a real psychedelic trip to the wonderland undertaken by ur brain ..


artists do make a good music ...and make a journey which lasts for 5-6 minutes but what is important here is a story which goes on for a long time .

NEUROMOTOR
GOA-GIL
DINO PSARAS
DEDE/SPECTRUM
AZAX SYNDROME
ZIK/HORROR PLACE
DIMITRY
IFAN FREAKOUT

+++++ SOME MORE ....if u hav heard any of these guys play a long set then u know what m talkin abt


boom shankar....bom shankar........
          out now
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EYB
Noized

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Posted : Oct 18, 2005 06:33
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On 2005-10-17 23:00, Acidhive wrote:
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On 2005-10-17 22:29, EYB wrote:
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On 2005-10-17 16:45, KakoOlalaJwal wrote:
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On 2005-10-16 18:22, k300 wrote:
I too think that 2 hours is enough for a set...



If the deejay is good it's too short, if he's bad it's too long.. now that's relativity !




Very true




You mean, if the music the DJ plays is any good. DJ's are not the ones that make the music. Creating a flow in a set is done by the DJ, that's correct. But the feelings you get come mostly from the music, e.g. the artists who made it. Don't forget that.




True. But the dj decides about the music that plas at the party and so he decides if he plays music that is subjectiv and objectiv good or not.            Signature
KakoOlalaJwal
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Oct 18, 2005 11:33
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On 2005-10-17 23:00, Acidhive wrote:
You mean, if the music the DJ plays is any good. DJ's are not the ones that make the music.



I know, thank you

In my mind a good Dj will play good tracks and mix them properly

All the others are averages, so-so, and worse !           .
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"Get your dose of BoOgie !"

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Vagator Vibhushan
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Posted : Oct 18, 2005 12:55
ok let me clarify before this becomes a slugfest...about a decade ago (less), the focus used to be majorly on stories a dj created through his set, you guys seem more comfortable with the term journeys...the emphasis was in creating one continuous chain of psychedelic experience - with a perceptible beginning, a middle and an unmistakable end, what we now insist on calling a set. After a dj was done one got a feeling of having travelled someplace, experienced something or simply having been told, through a dance experience, what else, a story.

The focus now seems to have shifted towards lining up good tracks one after another with little regard to the overall journey/story. But moreso, and many people share this feeling, the time allowed for a 'set' nowdays, 1.5-2 hours doesnt let anyone make a decent string out of it, thus naturally forcing the dj to think more trackwise than deliver a complete picture.

How many dj's nowdays, except the old school maybe, really think of a set more in terms of a story than bpms, beatmatching, and other cdj bla bla (this is a way of making comparasion, so pls dont be pissed off by particulars...i am NOT tirading against technology here).

For me one of the big draws of psy music was this one unique experience, of a seamless continuum, which no other genre provided me. I see that fading, it hurts, and i suspect the insistence on short sets is primarily to blame. Give dj's a longer set and they will have space to think about structure more holistically.

wat u think? is 2 hrs enf for what i am saying? or is it that the concept of telling a story holds meaning no more? or is there something else happening?

ps: pls use whatever word - psyexperience, journey etc - u are comfortable with as long as we all understand what is being said          helping apple pies take over the world since Damion predicted so
-psynapse.tribe.net-
Krell
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 18, 2005 13:26
When I DJ, I demand to be DJing for at least 1 hour - Or else I wont be able to create a decent set.

I prefer DJ sets which are between 2 and 3 hours, that is ideal for me to create something I can be proud of, and something I would enjoy myself.

Today here in Denmark, we have many Djs only spinning 1 hour sets or even less!, and I quite frankly just think those parties are discoteques. It is a cheap ripoff of real psy parties.

All in all, the DJs role becomes less and less important since the DJs themselves do not attract an audience, only the liveacts do (since they are the only ones getting to release Cds).

In the end, money will decide how a lineup is constructed... Therefore, we end up with short DJ sets.... and also, DJs of lesser and lesser quality.

Of course, some organizers will also have to "make everybody happy" - So they feel obliged to put more DJs on a lineup than it can really sustain, people they owe favours & other organizers.

Its ridiculous in my eyes. Short DJ sets suck.. Ive even heard people argue that when there are short DJ sets then at least you wont end up listening to a shitty DJ for 3 hours... Which is of course true, but, why do organizers let a shitty DJ into their lineup in the first place?

This is of course a sad development - Since, I really feel a good DJ will always whop more ass on the dancefloor than any live act can (simply due to being able to choose tracks more freely, move wider around genrewise as well as put 100% focus on his mixing and flow technique). Something liveacts will never be able to do, unless its a Son Kite vs Deedrah vs Haltya vs Dark Psy vs Pixel vs Etnica liveact

Oh btw, I love liveacts as well - (artists MUST get as many chances as they can to see audiences react to their music).

Best Wishes

Krell           Label DJ>
www.jesterrecords.ca
Bloodclot
Bloodclot

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Posted : Oct 18, 2005 14:56
Well the way things are these days, everyone just wants to hear one powerful track after the other. Doesnt really matter how or what kind of tracks the dj's or artists are playing... (ofcourse keeping in mind how we all segregate dark/fullon/morning whatever).. I think its more of just having a good time with whats being played. Music that will keep you in the flow of things.
For instance, When I went for my first trance party, this dj started playing a warm up set, hallucinogen etc. I thought to myself, wtf is this bastard doing? But hey, was pretty stupid then. I guess that whole deal of starting off with some meaningful tracks is gone. I always enjoy variation, specially when its a dj that includes that in his set. I really dont think it matters how long a dj plays - its all on what he plays that determines how long he should play.
Krell
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Oct 18, 2005 16:40
@Bloodclot

Quote Bloodclot
" I really dont think it matters how long a dj plays - its all on what he plays that determines how long he should play. "

HEhe, perhaps we will end up with a setup where every DJ gets to play 1 track ;-) Then the audience can vote for him to stay or kick him from the lineup.

You can dwelm on the state of things of you want, nothing will change reality for me and what I prefer - and this will be the case for a lot of the other people in the scene.

Once you change a concept too much, it stops working. Once its stops working, people will stop coming for the music, and participate for other reasons.

Get laid, do drugs, hang out, be famous - Whatever - Plenty of people here on isratrance will tell you thats their prime focus anyways... Not all though.

So, it depends on your scene - What kind of scene you create.

Best Wishes.

Krell
          Label DJ>
www.jesterrecords.ca
Gopendragon
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Oct 18, 2005 16:44
I believe the dj/artist who plays a set is good to have a concept story, with that, gives a special message to the crowd,a few meaningfull spiritual words the right time in the right track,wich probably been related with the scene and social life,decoration helps to share an image visual message with shape and music comes to expand that when we trippin...
          ~~~~~~~namaskar~~~~~~~~~
After the End,a new Begining startS..
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