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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Jun 21, 2004 17:08
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well, since I've posted this under a wrong login, here are my 2 cents:
trip, you are both right and wrong...
round here, people like to review their favourite CDs, understandably so. however, without the touch of criticism, we are facing a serious problem.
I Join you in your call - people, start reviewing the crap as well as the gold. each deserves an equal opportunity of fair judgment.
  "We Do Not Allways See Things As They Are. We See Things As We Are" -Ancient Chinese Proverb
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Kaz
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Posted : Jun 21, 2004 17:31
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My reviews are of stuff I like, and I tend to articulate myself very well in these cases... but I keep only reviewing the stuff I like, because I know some people will get offended when I point out that a release that they enjoy a lot is just total formulaic sh*t which has no artistic value and even less in the way of creativity and on a totally different note... is also not one bit experimental or psychedelic. It shouldn't even be called psytrance, it should be called "bassdrum, basslines and FX with no sense of rhythm" trance. Ohh, and that if there was any justice in the world, the artist would rename himself to "Moron Making Music", or even better "Moron Who Wanted to Make Music and Failed Miserably", and maybe "A Guy So Stupid He Thought He Actually Has Some Talent After Listening to the Sh*t He Made". And that album wouldn't be released, and the label that released it would be closed or even better, burned down to the ground. And maybe the artist's parents should have beat him... more... with a chair. And that way would save us the horror of listening to that crap.
... well, I'd probably be a bit more diplomatic, but I've wanted to give comments in this line a couple of times, and didn't, for the same reason I won't review something I hate.
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Surrender
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Posted : Jun 21, 2004 18:00
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On 2004-06-21 16:33, hod gavriel wrote:
i bought unusual suspects compilation JUST because of the great reviews here about it?
and guess what?
i'm REALLY sorry that i wasted almost 80 nis on this ****...
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Well i think its one of the most enjoyable compilations i have that i am still listening to today with ease. so tastes are diffrent obviously. this is something that no one can argue really...
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Anak
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Posted : Jun 21, 2004 19:01
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On 2004-06-21 16:33, hod gavriel wrote:
also, i totally agree with insomaniac..
i bought unusual suspects compilation JUST because of the great reviews here about it?
and guess what?
i'm REALLY sorry that i wasted almost 80 nis on this ****...
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and now you want to blame the reviewer?
you shouldnt only trust a review. read the review, make yourself a picture, go listen to the samples or the disc at a shop, and then decide whether buying or not. otherwise you'll become such a guy like me in the movie case....i always trust the cinema movie reviews in a certain swiss newspaper, and because they never write something good about any movie, i havent been to the cinema for months or even years.
for the rest: this was discussed already....and i'll repeat myself here: i think one shouldnt write a review about a cd he dislikes that got some good points...but i think its necessary to write about bad points when u like the cd, i dont believe anyone who writes no bad words about a cd. when people dont i get the feeling its more sort of a denial of having made a shitty buy than a honest opinion.
cheers
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ChoBo
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Posted : Jun 21, 2004 19:33
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Yuli, you said it all mate  Best not to trust reviews but take the reviews more like how someone think the album/compil actually is. It would be wrong to blame the reviewer, the best thing to do is always listen to the samples and ask yourself if you like it. But I can see that there have been constructive criticisms on albums where the artist are not active in the forums but not on albums where the artists are present. For example, in the reviews of Digital Talk, Four Carry Nuts and the notorious Zoo 3. I think when you know the artist presence is around the forum , people tend to say anything bad about it. Or is it not? Well I think it is, and Yuli has made it clear to us |
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full_on
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Posted : Jun 21, 2004 20:02
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I usually don't like bad reviews, because they're empty, or better, full of meaningless stuff like: "this CD is shit", "Crap production" or just  .
I wanna see bad reviews with stuff that make me understand why you think it's bad, like: "This track is not as good as that other from the same artist, because blah, blah, blah...". I wanna know why you think it's bad.
This is a positive topic...
Respect!
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TiMMY
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Posted : Jun 21, 2004 22:37
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My two cents:
When I write a review for Isratrance.com, you can be sure I LIKE the CD and listened to it a lot of times. For me it's fun to write a review.
For me it's usually not fun to bash CDs and artists in public. Not only because most of them read this forum, but it can also be counter-productive. I also don't get paid for the reviews I write so I have no reason to do something I don't enjoy.
What do I mean?
If somebody opens a thread, reviewing a CD which he TRUELY thinks is shit, formulaic, not creative, not psychedelic, etc. he will not serve any good purpose but only encourage other people to join him/bash him back.
Ultimately, what we'll have here is a huge fight between two or more groups of people, with different musical tastes.
What is the alternative then?
If you don't like it at all - don't review it. If you like it, but think it could use an improvment in some departments - post your thoughts. If you like it, say WHY you like it.
Another way to determine if a CD is good or not, is to look at the numbers. For example, the new Son Kite CD has seven pages of reviews (though not all of them are good). This CD obviously deserves some attention. Also, Zoo3 has 5 pages of reviews. I bet there's a reason for it.
I think you should apply to a reviewer you trust as a friend with a similar taste in music. It's true, everybody has his own individual taste so opinions are not always concurrent (that's what makes it interesting, IMO), but in most cases you'll find this method very effective. |
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ecnalab
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Posted : Jun 21, 2004 22:39
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I totally agree Tim....
If you read the replies to the Reviews, people usually reply with negative opinions or disagreements to the positive reviews. I think you can get a good idea from people's comments as to why they dislike an album or disagree with the review... They usually give their reason why.... I would only want to review CD's I like - for the same reasons Tim mentioned. -xo Truffle Radio ox-
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TiMMY
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Posted : Jun 21, 2004 22:39
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BTW, I talked to Marcus from Son Kite about the reviews for their album. Apparently he disagrees with me and said that when people write they don't the release, he'd like to know why. If I understood him correctly, what he meant was that it's very easy to write "I don't like it" but much harder to put some more effort and think why actually you didn't like it, so maybe the artist will improve his music next time. |
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keebota
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Posted : Jun 21, 2004 22:48
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On 2004-06-21 20:02, full_on wrote:
I usually don't like bad reviews, because they're empty, or better, full of meaningless stuff like: "this CD is shit", "Crap production" or just .
I wanna see bad reviews with stuff that make me understand why you think it's bad, like: "This track is not as good as that other from the same artist, because blah, blah, blah...". I wanna know why you think it's bad.
This is a positive topic...
Respect!
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hey man
....i think some replys befor someone said that no one wants to review a cd he dont like ..thats right...
so its very heavy to do a review if you dont like the cd ...its ok to do a reply to an cd you dont like ...but to write an whole review.. is an other thing you know ...
so man pls start a topic with a cd review that you dont like ..that i can get an example how to do an "bad cd report" ...
its corect that its borning to see on every review the same sentences ...it be cool if someone found ways to do a opjectiv review on a cd ...and not every user is an artist and can hear if its good or bad production
for me its harder to write an review when i dont like the cd ...when i like it its easya cause i found more things on the tracks that i like .,..maybe its for someone heavya to write an review if he dislike the cd ...
so on i think this is my comment to this ...
nice greets from germany ....i hope you have a good day ..bye tom
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DeathPosture
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Posted : Jun 21, 2004 23:38
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I wanna see bad reviews with stuff that make me understand why you think it's bad, like: "This track is not as good as that other from the same artist, because blah, blah, blah...". I wanna know why you think it's bad.
This is a positive topic...
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Agreed - that's what I want to see too... Constructive bad reviews... Or else it'll turn into the mangled useless mayhem that was the review-section on psynews.org before a login was required... But, as many have pointed out, it's much harder to write negative reviews... It takes much more effort, and whilst most of us reviewers do not get paid, we stick to the "easy" stuff which is reviewing stuff we actually like...
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Here are a few examples of some of the "bad reviews" I've written:
Dark Doors - Newzoo:
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/38651/forum/9
Viktan - Trillenium:
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/31127/forum/9
And yes, it was a hassle... It's much easier writing positive reviews...
But I'll do my best to also review stuff that I don't like in the future... Whatever I can do to help this wonderfull review-section survive...
So what do you say people - should we all put in just a little extra effort in the future and create even more insightful reviews? Let's hope so... ;o)
DeathPosture
... And I'm off to write the Psychedelically Yours vol. 2 review now... And I doubt it will be negative... *sS*
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mist
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Posted : Jun 22, 2004 00:44
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I review promo copies that I receive from the labels... and only those. but i always make my reviews 100% honest. if i don't like something, trust me, i'm going to tell you so. sometimes, i think it may get me into a bit of trouble... people looking more for promotion than actualy honest reviews... 
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Nomolos(Zenon Rec.)
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Posted : Jun 22, 2004 01:21
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for all the "pro" reviewers getting promo cd's from the labels.....
there is a nice saying i heard from my friends father "the only thing better than cheap...is FREE"
but i cant really belive that every promo u ever got u liked....
u have the great bonus to get all thoese promos, but it comes with a big responsability....REVIEW IT DONT MARKET IT!!!! if a local news paper sends u to review the new resturant in town...and u allmost die from hartburn....does the fact u got a free meal mean u wont write anything???(or lie???)
see where im going???
cheers.
p.s to all label managers....i would love to review your new music...but i know i dont stand much of a chance to get u intersted since i promise to write only what i think and not what u would like me to think...too bad  it could have been nice.
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full_on
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Posted : Jun 22, 2004 02:22
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On 2004-06-21 22:48, keebota wrote:
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On 2004-06-21 20:02, full_on wrote:
I usually don't like bad reviews, because they're empty, or better, full of meaningless stuff like: "this CD is shit", "Crap production" or just .
I wanna see bad reviews with stuff that make me understand why you think it's bad, like: "This track is not as good as that other from the same artist, because blah, blah, blah...". I wanna know why you think it's bad.
This is a positive topic...
Respect!
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hey man
so man pls start a topic with a cd review that you dont like ..that i can get an example how to do an "bad cd report" ...
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Well, I was not talking about making a whole CD Reveew about CDs people don't like. I was talking about when I do a review about a CD I like very much, but other people go on the topic and only write meaningless bullshit about the whole album, saying for example that it's all copy & paste music.
I'm not asking for people to start reviewing CDs they don't like. I'm asking for people to stop posting meaningless bad comments in topics already running OR to write bad reviews in topics already running but explaining why you don't like it, with examples and comparations, if possible.
Respect!
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furthur
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Posted : Jun 22, 2004 06:36
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Maybe there should be rules in the review section like we have in the top10 section. To get rid of the meaningless "This is shit" of "Killerrr" reviews, have a rule for example that a review should be at least so many characters long. I am sure that we can think of many such rules that would greatly improve the reviews section.
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