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piXan
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i have the indigo dj in my lap and as served me well for more than 3 years very solid, useful when producing with softsynths and ABleton live sets. now i need to record several analog inputs through my mixers buses and the back to the seuqncer... so i need as many outs possible,im limited though to a 300$ limit..sad. but i can get any of these.. im going for the audiofire as i have only good pointh with Echo audio, rock solid drivers, nice preamps, massive sound>>
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piXan
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MadScientist
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On 2008-01-14 06:01, Liquid_Moments wrote:
Hello to all
I would like to connect my pc to an analogue mixing desk and record my final mixdown from the mixer back to my pc. I have been buying afew magazines from the UK "computer music" and "future music" they both come with dvd's with masterclasses from various artists each month. What I have noticed is that all of them do there final mix out of the box and send it back to the PC. Also I have seen alot of psy artists do live sets like this, with there laptops, and output around 8 to 16 channels to the mixing desk. I no Mr Postford does this with his Mackie 32.8 mixing desk and he has hardware effects setup to his send channels like an eventide eclipse so he can add them to his separate channels as he is mixing down, he uses 16 input channels from his pc and some from hardware. Now I no Simon Postford uses the apogee gear "DA-16 and the Rosetta 800".
So my question is does anybody no of a more cost effective sound card setup which would allow me to send 16 channels from my pc or laptop to a mixing desk ? I have been looking at the MOTU and RME hardware but it is still some expensive stuff. Any suggestions or comments would be good ?
Also does any body no much about out of the box summing. There seems to be alot of audio manufacturers creating summing boxes these days ?
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I think anything cheap wouldnt get you much further...the cheapest way would be to get a basic card with 2 adat outs and a digital desk with analog summing and good d/a converters!
but if you want to do this in a proper way, you need at least something in the quality range of apogee or metric halo and a good analog desk, which would even 2nd hand cost a shit load of money... 
and I think the real advantages dont really just come with analog summing, but with the analog mixing of the tracks...what means you need a good desk with good eqs, something like 8 busses at least and some analog outboard processors to take full advantage of analog mixing!
so if you really plan to do this, you re better off saving some cash to do this in a proper way than getting the cheapest stuff around 
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Liquid_Moments
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Posted : Jan 16, 2008 01:03
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Thanks for the helpfull info "MadScientist". I need a good mixing desk so I think that will be my starting point and see were it goes from there ! I have been looking at mackie and sound craft, although a tl audio valve mixing desk would be nice, if I won the lotto. Cheers. |
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Cannabis
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Posted : Jan 16, 2008 01:53
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On 2008-01-16 01:03, Liquid_Moments wrote:
Thanks for the helpfull info "MadScientist". I need a good mixing desk so I think that will be my starting point and see were it goes from there ! I have been looking at mackie and sound craft, although a tl audio valve mixing desk would be nice, if I won the lotto. Cheers.
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No Desk neccessary anymore. DAWs are solid, just compose, mix and master away, if you know what you are doing............
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Liquid_Moments
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Posted : Jan 16, 2008 02:41
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"Cannabis"
Thats very true but I love the sound that hardware produces.Give me a Neve Genesys mixing desk anyday. And some eventide and the list goes on etc.
Hey do you have any tracks posted I could listen to ? I would be interested to hear your production quality.
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MadScientist
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Posted : Jan 17, 2008 01:34
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there are really some nice things to add to the sound by analog processing...I even know some guys that swear on hitting their tunes through an analog tape recorder to add some warmth and analog touch
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WillianDiesel
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Posted : Jan 25, 2008 04:50
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For anyone who´s looking for a soundcard now...
A sound card needs:
1) The number of imputs and outputs (flexibility that you need)
2) Good drivers !
3) Good Converters
All this 3 are very important.
Look at spects as Dynamic Range.
Good soundcards have higher dynamic ranges.
A example of a nice soundcard is the E-Mu 1212M with costs less than 150 U$ and have good converters and even the ADAT in so you can expand it later to 10 Analog imputs with a 8 rack converter.
If you plan to use Windows and OSX, RME cards are good and they have very solid drivers (but they cost more).
There are better soundcards ofcourse but they cost a lot more and you won´t perceive so much difference if you don´t have a 3000 U$ set of monitors.
For the last post, analog processing is good, i have a tape head here, and lot´s of compressors, pres, and other anlog gear, but most important is good soundcard and good monitors, theses days you can achieve very good sound without all this gear.
Today your mind is your limit, not your equipment.
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other_reality
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Guys, help....I'm gonna spend some money on new equipment, and this time i want something I'll be happy with and keep it !!! I left out all the "plastic" interfaces this time, and i'm between :
1)Presonus Firebox
2)MOTU Ultralite
Which is better ? (Forget the ins-outs, i can bear with both, though the extra ones in MOTU might come in handy with live bands) When I say better, i mean in terms of drivers/compatibility/stability/performance/audio quality ?
P.S I'm mainly working with Mackie Traction/Reason,on laptop, if this helps some to give me better guidance !!! Also I heard some bad news some time ago for MOTU drivers. Is this true?
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orange
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Posted : Jan 31, 2008 01:38
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between those 2 the motu is by far superior... but the motu is weird in pc environments and fire wire controllers.
is a better option for mac.
now between the firebox and another fw audio interface i would also add to the list he terratec phase x24 it has super stable drivers (i work a project in 4ms buffer without any glitches whatsoever and in high cpus)
has spl preamps and converters.
its full aluminum box (no plastic) and its great in the studio and on stage (not even 1 crash in two years and i use it every day)
there is also the yamaha go 46 that is identical to the terratec phase x24.
and ofcourse ur best choice for pc is RME.
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On 2007-07-10 04:55, Mtz Mtzz wrote:
I like my ESI Quatafire 610..but just before a couple of days two of my mono outs broke up..hope this will not happen again..i`m lucky cause i still got warranty..does anybody got experience with this soundcard too?
greez mark
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I've had an ESI juli card in my desktop PC for a few years now. Ultra reliable card and I would imagine the quaterfire to be just as good.
I recently bought myself a MOTU Traveller for my laptop set-up and have been extremely happy. Fair amount of cash to outlay, but you can't put a price on high quality.
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other_reality
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Posted : Feb 2, 2008 19:07
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On 2008-01-31 01:38, orange wrote:
between those 2 the motu is by far superior... but the motu is weird in pc environments and fire wire controllers.
is a better option for mac.
now between the firebox and another fw audio interface i would also add to the list he terratec phase x24 it has super stable drivers (i work a project in 4ms buffer without any glitches whatsoever and in high cpus)
has spl preamps and converters.
its full aluminum box (no plastic) and its great in the studio and on stage (not even 1 crash in two years and i use it every day)
there is also the yamaha go 46 that is identical to the terratec phase x24.
and ofcourse ur best choice for pc is RME.
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Thanks for your answer. Although I'll most probably go for MOTU. Terratec and Yamaha isn't an option for me, compared to the Ultralite ofcourse. I've been told that their probs with Pc's have been sorted out with their latest software. It's MOTU, so, it had to be fixed sometime !
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piko_bianko
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Posted : Feb 3, 2008 04:51
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hint: stay away from presonus' fire**** series (especially for professional use)
we've purchased 1x Presonus Firestudio + 1x DigimaxFS in our studio and... pfff
1st. to clear out myself.. Firestudio (in particular) has maybe the best preamps i've worked with (class A) and in general we're very pleased with the results u can have with this card.
that is IF u can make it work !@!!!
firestudio (+other fire-sth) has syncing problems with most of the firewire cards around.
it DOESN'T work with onboard firewire
it DOESN'T work with firewire cards with VIA chipsets
it ONLY works with SOME fw cards with Texas Instruments chipset.
again most of the times even seems NOT CONNECTED.
plus: u have to install several patches and/or hotfixes
(i even had to regedit to make it work properly and that's after i've tried FOUR diffirent fw cards)
have a taste:
http://forums.presonus.com/showthread.php?t=2853
again.. even i have reached this point (after many weeks struggling), i'm having really awkward problems from times to times.
the real appeal is dealing with all these problems with costumers present. :|
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Cannabis
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Posted : Feb 7, 2008 01:29
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Just wanted to have the opinion of you guys working with a USB laptop, a PCI-express firewire 3,4 cm laptop card, and a firewire interface.
The card that O have , a Belkin, is kinda not stable enough in the slot, so if I would hit it by accident, the audio would cut off(would be very embaressing at a gig). It has some leeway, even if it clicks in the slot.
My laptop doesn't have a firewire port, like many others, and I would like to use my firewire interface,
Any suggestions?
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hugaw
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Posted : Feb 8, 2008 22:25
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basically i think that u can forgive any firewire with PC...or maybe through a PCMCIA or ExpressCard.
I do have Presonus Firebox with macbook and it works very fine since i plugged it for the first time. Now a friend of mine has one too but with a laptop PC : huge problems of sync, crashes, shit like that.
I think it is almost the same with all firewire-based interfaces
Canna> do u have ExpressCard or PCMCIA slot ? |
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